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Post by redstriper on May 28, 2020 9:29:45 GMT
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Post by Scouse on May 28, 2020 9:42:43 GMT
Anniversary is remembered each year with the laying of flowers at the Heysel memorial plaque found on the Dalglish stand at Anfield , together with a minutes silence ( 2 minutes on the 25th anniversary) with coverage in the local paper each year
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 9:48:38 GMT
It gets mentioned every year...... |
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Post by redstriper on May 28, 2020 10:02:31 GMT
Fair enough... I stand corrected...
I'll look out for the articles tomorrow.
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Post by werrington on May 28, 2020 10:06:13 GMT
I’d try doing your homework on it But then again the whole aim is a hits thread |
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Post by Scouse on May 28, 2020 10:43:53 GMT
Red stripper ..not defending the actions that day .( or going into the reasons .. most were brought up in the various inquiries and more importantly courts of law when the handful of Liverpool fans and officials stood trial , either by prosecution or defence council ) , but a simple google search would show you the coverage and marks of remembrance in previous years , covid19 May impact things slightly this year , ( it did for Hillsborough) but to say it’s not remembered is wide of the mark ..
it any good came out of those events it marked a fundamental change in the casual ( scaly ) movement , not only in Liverpool but in much of England as the evidence gathering of cctv both before during and after an event used to convict became the way forward in England ..
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Post by JoeinOz on May 28, 2020 10:52:51 GMT
Have UEFA ever explained why they held the game at that stadium? A month before a delegation of European sports journalists travelled to the stadium and met with UEFA officials to ask them to move the game. It was crumbling. It's no excuse but it didn't help.
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Post by redstriper on May 28, 2020 11:30:52 GMT
Red stripper ..not defending the actions that day .( or going into the reasons .. most were brought up in the various inquiries and more importantly courts of law when the handful of Liverpool fans and officials stood trial , either by prosecution or defence council ) , but a simple google search would show you the coverage and marks of remembrance in previous years , covid19 May impact things slightly this year , ( it did for Hillsborough) but to say it’s not remembered is wide of the mark .. it any good came out of those events it marked a fundamental change in the casual ( scaly ) movement , not only in Liverpool but in much of England as the evidence gathering of cctv both before during and after an event used to convict became the way forward in England .. That's fair enough, as i said above, I was incorrect to suggest there was no acknowledgement. From a liverpool perspective - what is your opinion on this article ? liverpool view |
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Post by Scouse on May 28, 2020 12:42:50 GMT
Wasn’t there .but doesn’t add anything to what I’ve previously been told first hand by people who were ..especially of the confusion and general mayhem and fear that continued . If anything it underplays the accounts of genuine repulsion and fear some had for their lives or that of their family ...when the natural reaction was to flee to safety , but you can’t because there was no safety..other than staying massed
Nearest I’ve come to that feeling was England v Belgium 1980 in Italy ( Turin ) ..it’s an horrendous feeling , dilemma
as with most disasters there might be one spark , but it’s seldom that straightforward , and usually requires a whole raft of chain events to line up , and then all opportunities , warning signs to be missed , ignored , not acted on correctly or not recognised until it’s too late ..removing one event will often break the chain and a close shave rather than a disaster ensues ..else the perfect storm
A terrible , terrible night..RIP to those that died , my thoughts to all those that suffered physically or mentally regardless of nationality , team supported
Edit to add ..all the above very easy for me to say as I didn’t lose anyone I loved , that many ( even privately away from peer pressure ) can’t forgive I fully respect ..forgiveness is something only the aggrieved can bestow
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Post by JoeinOz on May 28, 2020 12:53:02 GMT
The ramshackle ground, the lack of tickets, the disorganised police force, the mood of the era. It all pointed one way. There was already a sense of antagonism because of the Liverpool fan murdered in Rome the year before.
It was truly horrible. All factors borne in mind it ended how we may well have expected it to.
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Post by lordb on May 28, 2020 17:25:04 GMT
Still can't believe the match was played.
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Post by spiderpuss on May 28, 2020 17:59:21 GMT
An old documentary on it, for those that haven't seen it.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 28, 2020 19:00:16 GMT
Still can't believe the match was played. The only reason was the obvious one... the fear of even more carnage if it wasn't played. But I agree it shouldn't have been played. Bruce Grobelaar has said it's ridiculous to have played it but when you're a footballer you aren't meant to think. You do what you're told and go along with anything. |
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Post by bassmaster on May 28, 2020 19:28:40 GMT
As well as being extremely tragic, I always considered Heysel pretty fucking weird in terms of the responses it elicited from certain sections of football fans. Running battles on the terraces is what I grew up with in the main. I have read many a nostalgic thread even on this site as to when such and such would try to take the Boothen, blah blah blah... It was fairly standard fayre for quite a period including when Heysel took place.
It is tragic that people died, however to castigate Liverpool fans Like everyone else were fucking angels is bizarre and plain prejudiced.That Liverpool were doing it on a European stage, is that the issue? They were successful, had a wider audience?? The stadium gave way whilst the fans behaved as many others did. It was a shocking outcome as a consequence of a combination of lots of factors but to imply or state that Liverpool fans behaved any different to most is pure bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 21:34:08 GMT
It gets mentioned every year...... It gets mentioned but nothing like Hillsboro' upon Liverpool. No minute's silence closest game to it etc . |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 21:37:01 GMT
The ramshackle ground, the lack of tickets, the disorganised police force, the mood of the era. It all pointed one way. There was already a sense of antagonism because of the Liverpool fan murdered in Rome the year before. It was truly horrible. All factors borne in mind it ended how we may well have expected it to. Absolutely no excuse for what they did. Plenty of grounds around the world in a similar state but charging at fans the way they did was the cause of the deaths. Tickets, police etc didn't cause the deaths. |
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Post by JoeinOz on May 28, 2020 21:41:37 GMT
The ramshackle ground, the lack of tickets, the disorganised police force, the mood of the era. It all pointed one way. There was already a sense of antagonism because of the Liverpool fan murdered in Rome the year before. It was truly horrible. All factors borne in mind it ended how we may well have expected it to. Absolutely no excuse for what they did. Plenty of grounds around the world in a similar state but charging at fans the way they did was the cause of the deaths. Tickets, police etc didn't cause the deaths. Like bassmaster says, they did what other fans were doing in that era. To me it's abhorrent and it was at the time. But what Liverpool did wasn't unique to them. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 21:45:28 GMT
I think that was the only time I ever saw my Grandad turn off the TV when sport was on.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 21:49:40 GMT
I think that was the only time I ever saw my Grandad turn off the TV when sport was on. I take it he never saw Torville & Dean or saw Everton play? |
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Post by Scouse on May 29, 2020 8:18:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 8:59:07 GMT
Was watching old FA Cup finals on You Tube and noticed during the Merseyside Cup final that Liverpool fans were climbing up the outside of Wembley with the help of other fans. Wasn't one or two was literally dozens and was seen as amusing by the commentators at the time to see them getting in for free in what was pretty dangerous circumstances.
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Post by redstriper on May 29, 2020 9:09:45 GMT
Absolutely no excuse for what they did. Plenty of grounds around the world in a similar state but charging at fans the way they did was the cause of the deaths. Tickets, police etc didn't cause the deaths. Like bassmaster says, they did what other fans were doing in that era. To me it's abhorrent and it was at the time. But what Liverpool did wasn't unique to them. To be fair, 39 rival football supporters dying as a result of their actions, and English teams being banned from European competition for five years, was, and still is, unique to them. |
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Post by werrington on May 29, 2020 9:15:09 GMT
Was watching old FA Cup finals on You Tube and noticed during the Merseyside Cup final that Liverpool fans were climbing up the outside of Wembley with the help of other fans. Wasn't one or two was literally dozens and was seen as amusing by the commentators at the time to see them getting in for free in what was pretty dangerous circumstances. You are desperately trying to take this thread on a different route for whatever reason Jesus That’s 2 attempts now |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 9:54:19 GMT
Local lad Ronnie Jepson was put on trial, and ultimately found not guilty of manslaughter, by the Belgian authorities after being arrested over there. It actually delayed his foray into professional football.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 10:02:36 GMT
Was watching old FA Cup finals on You Tube and noticed during the Merseyside Cup final that Liverpool fans were climbing up the outside of Wembley with the help of other fans. Wasn't one or two was literally dozens and was seen as amusing by the commentators at the time to see them getting in for free in what was pretty dangerous circumstances. You are desperately trying to take this thread on a different route for whatever reason Jesus That’s 2 attempts now Not in the slightest. Simply pointing out originally that was the fan's responsibility if you read my comment properly, not police, ticketing. stadium etc. |
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Post by franklin66 on May 29, 2020 10:36:14 GMT
Unfortunately it still goes on as those at Diusburg last season saw there are individuals who still look for opportunities to cause trouble. I saw two incidents at that game that sum up the mentality of humans the first was being subjected to a shouting pissed up knob calling all the stoke fans c#nts for not joining in singing with him, men,women and children. The second involved a match ball secreted in a fans bag and when asked for it back on the way out they completely intimidated the guy and gathered around him including some very large man mountain of a bloke thus allowing said ball to be taken.
And as a result we were not allowed back into the lakeside bar we had been in pre game the reason given " hooligans"
Sad but true...
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Post by JoeinOz on May 29, 2020 10:57:16 GMT
Like bassmaster says, they did what other fans were doing in that era. To me it's abhorrent and it was at the time. But what Liverpool did wasn't unique to them. To be fair, 39 rival football supporters dying as a result of their actions, and English teams being banned from European competition for five years, was, and still is, unique to them. I refer you to my previous post. |
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Post by partickpotter on May 29, 2020 11:39:09 GMT
It’s a good article describing very well how that tragedy sits “uneasily” at Anfield. Part of the reason I think is to do with how Hillsborough is seen as being different in terms of scale from other tragedies. There’s Hillsborough, and then there’s the rest. There are good reasons for that, but it means terrible events like Heysel, Bradford and even Ibrox and Burnden Park tend to lie in the shadows of Hillsborough. You can see it expressed subconsciously in the article... By talking about the “unimaginable horrors” of Hillsborough but not using similar emotive language for Bradford the author elevates one tragedy over another. I’m not criticising this - more making an observation. |
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Post by Scouse on May 29, 2020 12:15:22 GMT
Regards Burnden ..I produced a web site many years ago ..including a page on the disaster , before that and research I did , the names of the deceased that day didn’t exist on the internet ( received great help from two Bolton fans ) my concerns, even though a historic disaster , was publishing names without being able to consult family members ..Ive done the little I can to ensure they weren’t forgotten and hope people found some comfort rather than additional pain that their loved ones are now remembered to a tiny degree My original hamfisted article from which many have taken the list of names www.merseysidepotters.co.uk/Burnden.htmIMHO Disasters and more importantly the victims of disasters ( far more widespread than those that may be killed ) really shouldn’t be about point scoring , or one used against the other , though many football fans and commentators do just that , but rather try to learn from the things that cause them ..to reduce the chances of a repeat and to remember and respect all those impacted |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 12:26:39 GMT
It’s a good article describing very well how that tragedy sits “uneasily” at Anfield. Part of the reason I think is to do with how Hillsborough is seen as being different in terms of scale from other tragedies. There’s Hillsborough, and then there’s the rest. There are good reasons for that, but it means terrible events like Heysel, Bradford and even Ibrox and Burnden Park tend to lie in the shadows of Hillsborough. You can see it expressed subconsciously in the article... By talking about the “unimaginable horrors” of Hillsborough but not using similar emotive language for Bradford the author elevates one tragedy over another. I’m not criticising this - more making an observation. With Hillsborough you have to factor in the subsequent cover up by South Yorkshire Police, the disgusting smears and years of stalling from the government and the complete lack of justice that prevailed (and continues to this day) That elevates it to another level and sets it apart I guess despite all being equally as tragic...... |
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