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Post by PotterLog on Apr 20, 2020 15:32:27 GMT
This article lists Charlie among five PL players who were "brilliant for one season" - his season being the one at Blackpool. Apparently after Liverpool "his career began to unravel pretty quickly". Am I alone in thinking that's incredibly harsh for a guy who played 25+ games seven seasons running in the top flight, scoring a load of great goals along the way, often against the big teams? www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2020/apr/18/premier-league-players-unexpectedly-brilliant-one-seasonI'll always remember Charlie fondly. I know he had his (glaring) faults but I can't help having a soft spot for a crogging fat knacker with a wand of a left foot. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 20, 2020 15:34:30 GMT
I always preferred Vaughan in their Blackpool days.
Some quality goals for us.
Just another odd signing really from TP, he just doesn't strike you as the sort of player TP would have a clue what to do with and so it proved.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 20, 2020 15:40:37 GMT
I always preferred Vaughan in their Blackpool days. Some quality goals for us. Just another odd signing really from TP, he just doesn't strike you as the sort of player TP would have a clue what to do with and so it proved. I guess the thing about that Blackpool season was that he was used in that specialised deep playmaker position wasn't he. We were never going to accommodate a player like that (few teams do really) so he had to try and adapt. Didn't always work but he was still a technically great player on his day. On balance I'm glad TP signed him, odd as it might have been. |
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Post by wrighter on Apr 20, 2020 15:41:50 GMT
I loved Charlie Adam
Guaranteed a yellow most games tho
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 20, 2020 15:50:15 GMT
This article lists Charlie among five PL players who were "brilliant for one season" - his season being the one at Blackpool. Apparently after Liverpool "his career began to unravel pretty quickly". Am I alone in thinking that's incredibly harsh for a guy who played 25+ games seven seasons running in the top flight, scoring a load of great goals along the way, often against the big teams? www.theguardian.com/football/who-scored-blog/2020/apr/18/premier-league-players-unexpectedly-brilliant-one-seasonI'll always remember Charlie fondly. I know he had his (glaring) faults but I can't help having a soft spot for a crogging fat knacker with a wand of a left foot. It's bollocks! Now if they said Saido......  |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 20, 2020 16:01:35 GMT
The whole article's a bit daft really, Ramsey had at least one season when he was outstanding after the one they identify, and he was excellent when he was young too. It's more like a list of decent, consistent PL players' best seasons than one-season wonders.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 20, 2020 16:19:51 GMT
I always preferred Vaughan in their Blackpool days. Some quality goals for us. Just another odd signing really from TP, he just doesn't strike you as the sort of player TP would have a clue what to do with and so it proved. Charlie had the attitude TP loved!  |
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Post by Cast no shadow on Apr 20, 2020 16:39:18 GMT
I loved Charlie Adam Guaranteed a yellow most games tho Easy money, same with whitehead. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Apr 20, 2020 16:41:52 GMT
I always preferred Vaughan in their Blackpool days. Some quality goals for us. Just another odd signing really from TP, he just doesn't strike you as the sort of player TP would have a clue what to do with and so it proved. I guess the thing about that Blackpool season was that he was used in that specialised deep playmaker position wasn't he. We were never going to accommodate a player like that (few teams do really) so he had to try and adapt. Didn't always work but he was still a technically great player on his day. On balance I'm glad TP signed him, odd as it might have been. Loved Charlie for us,he had a dimension that no other midfielder we had in our PL era possessed. Strange signing,and again one made by TP without really having a clear idea about how best to utilize him. Think the tactical advice imparted to Charlie simply amounted to "follow Crouchy around?" Maybe differed under Hughes? You could possibly argue that Adam didn't sustain his form for that entire season with Blackpool. The first half of that PL campaign with Blackpool Adam was absolutely outstanding,but I think he struggled in the latter part of the season,as the team as a whole did too.Opponents seemed to work out the importance of those long diagonals to 'pool's game and nullify CA's threat somewhat. The SAF quote about Charlie's set piece delivery I think was made with one eye on mischievously trying to inflate his price tag owing to rumoured interest from MU's despised rivals Liverpool as much as his actual ability? Who knows,he was certainly one of the cleanest strikers of a ball i've seen at Stoke. But ultimately he was a lot more than a one season wonder,his goals in TP's last season were vital imho.Vision,passing range,composure (not in the tackle admittedly!) control,craftiness,a tactical brain,an in form CA brought a lot to the side. The ostensible lack of athleticism and events of our relegation season seem to have consolidated the negative perception of Charlie,which is a shame. He gave us some great moments. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 20, 2020 16:57:36 GMT
I guess the thing about that Blackpool season was that he was used in that specialised deep playmaker position wasn't he. We were never going to accommodate a player like that (few teams do really) so he had to try and adapt. Didn't always work but he was still a technically great player on his day. On balance I'm glad TP signed him, odd as it might have been. Loved Charlie for us,he had a dimension that no other midfielder we had in our PL era possessed. Strange signing,and again one made by TP without really having a clear idea about how best to utilize him. Think the tactical advice imparted to Charlie simply amounted to "follow Crouchy around?" Maybe differed under Hughes? You could possibly argue that Adam didn't sustain his form for that entire season with Blackpool. The first half of that PL campaign with Blackpool Adam was absolutely outstanding,but I think he struggled in the latter part of the season,as the team as a whole did too.Opponents seemed to work out the importance of those long diagonals to 'pool's game and nullify CA's threat somewhat. The SAF quote about Charlie's set piece delivery I think was made with one eye on mischievously trying to inflate his price tag owing to rumoured interest from MU's despised rivals Liverpool as much as his actual ability? Who knows,he was certainly one of the cleanest strikers of a ball i've seen at Stoke. But ultimately he was a lot more than a one season wonder,his goals in TP's last season were vital imho.Vision,passing range,composure (not in the tackle admittedly!) control,craftiness,a tactical brain,an in form CA brought a lot to the side. The ostensible lack of athleticism and events of our relegation season seem to have consolidated the negative perception of Charlie,which is a shame. He gave us some great moments. Seem to remember he was always happy to muck in with the 23s when he wasn't in the 1st team squad as well, I'm sure I remember reading he was keen to guide and mentor the young'uns a bit. |
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 20, 2020 16:58:22 GMT
I loved Charlie Adam Guaranteed a yellow most games tho Easy money, same with whitehead. They could both only dream of having the yellow card ratio of Salif. I always remember when he’d come on as a sub, you’d almost guarantee his first contribution would be to just run into somebody and pick up a booking. |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Apr 20, 2020 17:06:15 GMT
Loved Charlie for us,he had a dimension that no other midfielder we had in our PL era possessed. Strange signing,and again one made by TP without really having a clear idea about how best to utilize him. Think the tactical advice imparted to Charlie simply amounted to "follow Crouchy around?" Maybe differed under Hughes? You could possibly argue that Adam didn't sustain his form for that entire season with Blackpool. The first half of that PL campaign with Blackpool Adam was absolutely outstanding,but I think he struggled in the latter part of the season,as the team as a whole did too.Opponents seemed to work out the importance of those long diagonals to 'pool's game and nullify CA's threat somewhat. The SAF quote about Charlie's set piece delivery I think was made with one eye on mischievously trying to inflate his price tag owing to rumoured interest from MU's despised rivals Liverpool as much as his actual ability? Who knows,he was certainly one of the cleanest strikers of a ball i've seen at Stoke. But ultimately he was a lot more than a one season wonder,his goals in TP's last season were vital imho.Vision,passing range,composure (not in the tackle admittedly!) control,craftiness,a tactical brain,an in form CA brought a lot to the side. The ostensible lack of athleticism and events of our relegation season seem to have consolidated the negative perception of Charlie,which is a shame. He gave us some great moments. Seem to remember he was always happy to muck in with the 23s when he wasn't in the 1st team squad as well, I'm sure I remember reading he was keen to guide and mentor the young'uns a bit. Wasn't there also a Hughes quote where he said felt sure Charlie would go into management/coaching as he was such a student of the game? |
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Post by lordb on Apr 20, 2020 21:25:31 GMT
I always preferred Vaughan in their Blackpool days. Some quality goals for us. Just another odd signing really from TP, he just doesn't strike you as the sort of player TP would have a clue what to do with and so it proved. Think he wanted him to repeat Van Der Vaart's combo with Crouch. But then bottled it. Had Adam's dad not died I think TO would have bombed him out, as it was I don't think TP knew what to do with him Like several other players Charles was then excellent under Hughes |
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Post by mattythestokie on Apr 21, 2020 6:26:14 GMT
He was a 1 season wonder in regards to the media attention he got. But that’s inevitably going to happen if he spent the rest of his prem days at Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 7:04:19 GMT
Good pundit, as someone above said, gives the impression he could be a good manager.
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 21, 2020 7:37:54 GMT
The whole article's a bit daft really, Ramsey had at least one season when he was outstanding after the one they identify, and he was excellent when he was young too. It's more like a list of decent, consistent PL players' best seasons than one-season wonders. it is daft, like you say Ramsay was good for many seasons and Charlie doesn’t deserve to be there. With a bit more thought they could have had other players that were brilliant then fell off a cliff like Michu at Swansea or even Faye at Stoke |
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 21, 2020 8:22:02 GMT
The whole article's a bit daft really, Ramsey had at least one season when he was outstanding after the one they identify, and he was excellent when he was young too. It's more like a list of decent, consistent PL players' best seasons than one-season wonders. it is daft, like you say Ramsay was good for many seasons and Charlie doesn’t deserve to be there. With a bit more thought they could have had other players that were brilliant then fell off a cliff like Michu at Swansea or even Faye at Stoke Michu is a great example. Also Amr Zaki at Wigan. |
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Post by jarhead on Apr 21, 2020 8:57:30 GMT
I loved the Fat Fucker 😂😂
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Post by robstokie on Apr 22, 2020 18:04:45 GMT
Thought he played his best football for us when he was utilised as a 10 first Hughes season, getting him in and around the box knowing that he could create something out of nothing. In my opinion, he could either play there or as a deep lying playmaker (similar role to what Gerrard played at Liverpool towards the end of his days) Definetly also think he didn't have the stamina, reading of the game or the discipline to play as an orthodox centre mid, unfortunately Hughes never utilised him properly after about 2015, neither Did Lambert and Rowett, Jones stumbled upon it, but, unfortunately, injury got in the way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 20:11:02 GMT
One of the best passers of the ball ive seen down here. Superb signing for us and cracking footballer
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 22, 2020 20:46:28 GMT
One of the best passers of the ball ive seen down here. Superb signing for us and cracking footballer The best passer by a country mile (in my lifetime). Not sure there’s anyone who comes close. Nzonzi was the better midfielder but not as good at delivering the ball. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 23, 2020 15:08:57 GMT
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Post by kronkie on Apr 23, 2020 16:11:12 GMT
Loved the guy but he did cost us our premiership place with his sending off v Everton ( that twat Rooney didnt help) and that pen miss against Brighton.
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Post by gogogadget on Apr 24, 2020 4:58:35 GMT
Scored a goal of the month to beat UTD. Build a statue of the guy.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 24, 2020 6:14:26 GMT
Completely agree with the last two posts  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 7:40:05 GMT
Loved the guy but he did cost us our premiership place with his sending off v Everton ( that twat Rooney didnt help) and that pen miss against Brighton. You are aware that the season consisted of 38 games and not just 2 home games v Everton and Brighton? |
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 24, 2020 7:59:23 GMT
Loved the guy but he did cost us our premiership place with his sending off v Everton ( that twat Rooney didnt help) and that pen miss against Brighton. If VAR had been in place that would have been a second penalty as well, he was clearly fouled for rebound. |
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Post by tuum on Apr 25, 2020 4:15:13 GMT
One of the best passers of the ball ive seen down here. Superb signing for us and cracking footballer The best passer by a country mile (in my lifetime). Not sure there’s anyone who comes close. Nzonzi was the better midfielder but not as good at delivering the ball. ..over 40yds. I would struggle to remember the no of times NZonzi gave away the ball. It would be single figures. He just never wasted a pass albeit most of his passes were 20yds or less. Just remembered a couple under Hughes when he was encouraged to be a bit more adventurous in getting forward and (occasionally) having a pop at goal. NZonzi is the most accomplished midfielder I have seen at Stoke in the last 20yrs. p.s. I liked Adam as well. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 25, 2020 5:46:20 GMT
The best passer by a country mile (in my lifetime). Not sure there’s anyone who comes close. Nzonzi was the better midfielder but not as good at delivering the ball. ..over 40yds. I would struggle to remember the no of times NZonzi gave away the ball. It would be single figures. He just never wasted a pass albeit most of his passes were 20yds or less. Just remembered a couple under Hughes when he was encouraged to be a bit more adventurous in getting forward and (occasionally) having a pop at goal. NZonzi is the most accomplished midfielder I have seen at Stoke in the last 20yrs. p.s. I liked Adam as well. Yep. Agree. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 25, 2020 6:28:45 GMT
Loved the guy but he did cost us our premiership place with his sending off v Everton ( that twat Rooney didnt help) and that pen miss against Brighton. If VAR had been in place that would have been a second penalty as well, he was clearly fouled for rebound. No chance. He was just slow as shit and got beaten to the ball by someone he had a ten-yard head start on |
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