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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 4, 2020 21:43:37 GMT
Another loss for perma-frown Stevie G against lowly Hamilton Accies.
Shame.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 21:46:24 GMT
Another loss for perma-frown Stevie G against lowly Hamilton Accies. Shame. Celtic injury time equaliser as well. Rangers gone to pieces Shame
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 4, 2020 21:51:27 GMT
Another loss for perma-frown Stevie G against lowly Hamilton Accies. Shame. Celtic injury time equaliser as well. Rangers gone to pieces Shame Shame 🤣
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Mar 4, 2020 21:52:23 GMT
I'd much prefer Rangers. Both shithouse clubs, but one is much worse.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 4, 2020 21:55:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 21:59:10 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 4, 2020 22:14:36 GMT
I wouldn't mind some English managers doing well at big clubs for a change. I don't have any strong opinions either away about Gerrard, apart from he was a great player.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 4, 2020 22:21:36 GMT
Still in Europe though
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 4, 2020 23:49:52 GMT
Steven Gerrard's Rangers still on the March!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 0:52:20 GMT
I can imagine him crawling on his hands and knees down the Rangers tunnel singing Ooh Ah, just a little bit, Ooh Ah, a little bit more.
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Post by soulsurvivor on Mar 5, 2020 7:41:39 GMT
In Glasgow this morning, it seems the fans think he will bail as soon as a job south of the border is offered
They knew he was using it as a stepping stone but not impressed with his commitment when it's got tough Europe is keeping him there at the moment
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Post by SCFC92 on Mar 5, 2020 9:47:58 GMT
I wouldn't mind some English managers doing well at big clubs for a change. I don't have any strong opinions either away about Gerrard, apart from he was a great player. Completely agree, He was a fantastic player, and I'd like to see more British managers breakthrough and do well at the top levels. Bizarre sometimes peoples reaction to ex players doing well, no matter how much of a shithouse you believe they were.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 5, 2020 10:19:08 GMT
Is there a case that the whole ‘great player’ thing is vastly overrated with Gerrard?
Yes, a talismanic leader for Liverpool, scored some great goals, dragged them back from the brink a lot, so in that regard, beloved by them and rightly so.
Yet he was also the classic Roy of the Rovers, desperate to be the hero kind who’d go charging off to leave huge gaps, had zero tactical awareness and really required a proper, intelligent DM behind him to allow him to thrive. Istanbul wouldn’t have happened without Hamann coming on, while he was never quite as good after Alonso left.
He was also never quite it for England, bar maybe a decent Euro 2012. That he and Lampard could never figure out a way to play together arguably reflects a little on them too, though not as badly as on Sven and McClaren.
Very good, iconic player but not in the class of a Pirlo, Gatusso, Iniesta, Xavi and IMO not in Scholes’ class and not as good as Lampard.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 5, 2020 10:25:50 GMT
What, so Rangers are only going to finish second, instead of.................second? What a disaster. Rangers losing to so-called lesser teams, should be good for Scottish football, surely?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 5, 2020 10:53:10 GMT
In Glasgow this morning, it seems the fans think he will bail as soon as a job south of the border is offered They knew he was using it as a stepping stone but not impressed with his commitment when it's got tough Europe is keeping him there at the moment Other than his name I don't get why anyone would offer him a job unless you're in League One?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 5, 2020 10:57:03 GMT
In Glasgow this morning, it seems the fans think he will bail as soon as a job south of the border is offered They knew he was using it as a stepping stone but not impressed with his commitment when it's got tough Europe is keeping him there at the moment Other than his name I don't get why anyone would offer him a job unless you're in League One? He'll feel it's his right to be offered the Liverpool job one day. You'd have thought the owners would be wise to that.
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Post by werrington on Mar 5, 2020 10:59:54 GMT
He was the dogs bolllocks when they won away at Celtic on December 29th with a game in hand to go top
Footie fans eh
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 5, 2020 11:02:14 GMT
He'll feel it's his right to be offered the Liverpool job one day. You'd have thought the owners would be wise to that. Klop looking shaky this week?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 5, 2020 11:02:49 GMT
Other than his name I don't get why anyone would offer him a job unless you're in League One? He'll feel it's his right to be offered the Liverpool job one day. You'd have thought the owners would be wise to that. Yeah you're probably right. I mean he's got a long time still but so far his management career has matched his playing career really. Woefully inadequate in the league and decent in Europe. And all with the competition being managed by an idiot like Neil Lennon.
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 5, 2020 11:05:25 GMT
He was the dogs bolllocks when they won away at Celtic on December 29th with a game in hand to go top Footie fans eh That was LAST YEAR!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 5, 2020 11:17:30 GMT
He'll feel it's his right to be offered the Liverpool job one day. You'd have thought the owners would be wise to that. Yeah you're probably right. I mean he's got a long time still but so far his management career has matched his playing career really. Woefully inadequate in the league and decent in Europe. And all with the competition being managed by an idiot like Neil Lennon. A trifle harsh, Bayern. He was an excellent player and I'm not sure Pep could do anything meaningful with what he has to work with.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 5, 2020 11:19:55 GMT
Yeah you're probably right. I mean he's got a long time still but so far his management career has matched his playing career really. Woefully inadequate in the league and decent in Europe. And all with the competition being managed by an idiot like Neil Lennon. A trifle harsh, Bayern. He was an excellent player and I'm not sure Pep could do anything meaningful with what he has to work with. I agree with Rob's assessment tbh. And his budget in Scotland is massive. He's a complete failure up there.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 5, 2020 12:00:14 GMT
To say he was limited as a player when he didn't have a DM behind him is disingenuous though. If Pirlo hads Ince, Vokes and Gregory in front of him he'd perform badly too. Just admit it, you just don't like him for as many non-footballing reasons as not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 5, 2020 12:01:21 GMT
To say he was limited as a player when he didn't have a DM behind him is disingenuous though. If Pirlo hads Ince, Vokes and Gregory in front of him he'd perform badly too. Just admit it, you just don't like him for as many non-footballing reasons as not. I don't mind him tbh. I think what Rob has said is bang on though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 5, 2020 12:36:09 GMT
To say he was limited as a player when he didn't have a DM behind him is disingenuous though. If Pirlo hads Ince, Vokes and Gregory in front of him he'd perform badly too. Just admit it, you just don't like him for as many non-footballing reasons as not. I don't follow your argument. Gerrard didn't have Tom Ince, Vokes and Gregory in front of him either?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 5, 2020 13:39:13 GMT
To say he was limited as a player when he didn't have a DM behind him is disingenuous though. If Pirlo hads Ince, Vokes and Gregory in front of him he'd perform badly too. Just admit it, you just don't like him for as many non-footballing reasons as not. I don't follow your argument. Gerrard didn't have Tom Ince, Vokes and Gregory in front of him either? No, but he had Hamman or Alonso behind him which allowed him a freer role and to excel. To turn my argument around, so that you understand it, if he had Jordan Cousins or Geoff Cameron behind him as DM, he probably wouldn't have been as good as he could be. I'm no Gerrard apologist, but I feel you and Bayern are being driven by a different agenda
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 5, 2020 13:50:04 GMT
I don't follow your argument. Gerrard didn't have Tom Ince, Vokes and Gregory in front of him either? No, but he had Hamman or Alonso behind him which allowed him a freer role and to excel. To turn my argument around, so that you understand it, if he had Jordan Cousins or Geoff Cameron behind him as DM, he probably wouldn't have been as good as he could be. I'm no Gerrard apologist, but I feel you and Bayern are being driven by a different agenda Agenda? Please. I don't care that much about him
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 5, 2020 14:14:05 GMT
A trifle harsh, Bayern. He was an excellent player and I'm not sure Pep could do anything meaningful with what he has to work with. I agree with Rob's assessment tbh. And his budget in Scotland is massive. He's a complete failure up there. Some bizarre statements here Bayern....totally inadequate in the league? Maybe you should seek the opinions of Liverpool fans who watched him week in week out and is a genuine legend. His goals record of 1 in 4 from midfield isn't eclipsed by many. Also check out his wiki page and see the list of accolades he's achieved. 'Woefully inadequate in the league' is a view that's not shred by many and you can understand why accusations of agenda get suggested. I hope ex players like Gerrard and Lampard get to the very top in Management, in good to see english coaches succeed. Also massive budget in Scotland? Last summer he probably spent 10m on transfers!Once again court the opinion of Rangers fans to see how many think he is a failure.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 5, 2020 14:15:36 GMT
I agree with Rob's assessment tbh. And his budget in Scotland is massive. He's a complete failure up there. Some bizarre statements here Bayern....totally inadequate in the league? Maybe you should seek the opinions of Liverpool fans who watched him week in week out and was their player of the season. His goals record of 1 in 4 from midfield isn't eclipsed by many. Also check out his wiki page and see the list of accolades he's achieved. 'Woefully inadequate in the league' is a view that's not shred by many and you can understand why accusations of agenda get suggested. I hope ex players like Gerrard and Lampard get to the very top in Management, in good to see english coaches succeed. Also massive budget in Scotland? Last summer he probably spent 10m on transfers!Once again court the opinion of Rangers fans to see how many think he is a failure. I meant trophy wise. Ie fuck all. It's a massive budget in Scotland
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 5, 2020 14:32:00 GMT
Some bizarre statements here Bayern....totally inadequate in the league? Maybe you should seek the opinions of Liverpool fans who watched him week in week out and was their player of the season. His goals record of 1 in 4 from midfield isn't eclipsed by many. Also check out his wiki page and see the list of accolades he's achieved. 'Woefully inadequate in the league' is a view that's not shred by many and you can understand why accusations of agenda get suggested. I hope ex players like Gerrard and Lampard get to the very top in Management, in good to see english coaches succeed. Also massive budget in Scotland? Last summer he probably spent 10m on transfers!Once again court the opinion of Rangers fans to see how many think he is a failure. I meant trophy wise. Ie fuck all. It's a massive budget in Scotland true he never managed to win the league and only a couple of domestic cups to show for his time there so fair point...but woefully inadequate? Rangers have to compete with Celtic who spent 9m on just one player and have a much bigger budget in fairness to Gerrard he has closed what was a huge gap in a relatively short space of time.If he stays I think he will get them very close Maybe you have one thing right as he is fairing better than Celtic in Europe but not domestically
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