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Post by leicspotter on Jan 29, 2020 15:00:30 GMT
No. Stoke fans like hard workers. Footballing ability doesn’t matter if they work hard. It’s always (as long as I can remember) been the case. It’s odd. And it’s not support when you’re talking about them on here. This is the place to be objective. To talk about players honestly. Gregory was always going to be liked for the reasons outlined. Nothing to do with supporting our players. I respect your opinion and there is no doubt that Stoke supporters love a hard worker. I totally disagree that Stokies don't appreciate footballing ability. Sir Stan, Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhoff, Geoff Salmons, Tony Kelly, Peter Beagrie, Peter Hoekstra, Bjarni, Mark Stein, Lee Hendrie, Ricardo Fuller, Bojan, Shaqiri were all big favourites based on their ability as opposed to their workrate. Must be way more that people can think of. I think you're wrong on this. Stoke supporters will put up with a less talented player if he works hard, and like and respect him, but they love the classy footballers. EDIT - clearly didn't read the rest of the thread. i seem to be in the majority here! You lost me with "I respect your opinion"...this is bayern you are quoting
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Post by elystokie on Jan 29, 2020 15:06:43 GMT
No. Stoke fans like hard workers. Footballing ability doesn’t matter if they work hard. It’s always (as long as I can remember) been the case. It’s odd. And it’s not support when you’re talking about them on here. This is the place to be objective. To talk about players honestly. Gregory was always going to be liked for the reasons outlined. Nothing to do with supporting our players. I respect your opinion and there is no doubt that Stoke supporters love a hard worker. I totally disagree that Stokies don't appreciate footballing ability. Sir Stan, Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhoff, Geoff Salmons, Tony Kelly, Peter Beagrie, Peter Hoekstra, Bjarni, Mark Stein, Lee Hendrie, Ricardo Fuller, Bojan, Shaqiri were all big favourites based on their ability as opposed to their workrate. Must be way more that people can think of. I think you're wrong on this. Stoke supporters will put up with a less talented player if he works hard, and like and respect him, but they love the classy footballers. EDIT - clearly didn't read the rest of the thread. i seem to be in the majority here! If Stoke fans didn't appreciate skilful players Rowett wouldn't have been sacked, simple as that.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Jan 29, 2020 15:40:36 GMT
I think it's a myth that Stoke fans only love hard workers. How often do you see players like Allen criticised for "just running round a lot"? Or when you have those solid unspectacular players, which the fans like to slate, but which you only notice their impact when they're gone (something like a Graham Kavanagh figure, for example)?
After all, Stoke fans loved Tuncay and Bojan, who were much more skillful than they were sloggers or grafters.
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Post by NassauDave on Jan 29, 2020 15:41:40 GMT
No doubt a controversial thread here, so one that I will pre-face by saying that I think O’Neill is doing a fantastic job and I’m delighted to have him as manager. For the first time in a long time I am feeling positive as a Stoke fan. But my question is this, are we getting a little bit carried away with the MON can do no wrong mindset? Have we been so starved of a manager we can rally behind that finally having one has caused us to lose all objectivity? My reason for starting this thread is the comments I keep seeing about Gregory and Hogan on various other threads. Neither player has found favour with O’Neill and almost overnight both are being cast aside as wastes of space. Hogan is a loan player and it’s been clear that MON wants to use players who are in it for the long term, but for what it’s worth I thought he did okay earlier in the season. His movement was a breath of fresh air and he buried a couple of big chances. We’d be three points worse off without his goals. Since he scored a huge winner against Swansea away his game time has been limited. His goals per minute is almost identical to Campbell’s. Then there’s Gregory, who has admittedly missed two big changes in his last two games, but in the Jones part of the season was widely commended on here. His goals haven’t flowed but arguably he’s just been unlucky. Every striker goes through bad patches when goals don’t flow, not least Vokes, who now he has found favour with MON is back in favour on here. He scored 13 in a poor Millwall side last year which would have made him our top league scorer in each of the last eleven seasons. He’s cropped up with some big assists too against Derby and Fulham. To reiterate, I’m loving what MON is doing for us, but is our excitement coming at the expense of a bit of objectivity? Many on here get carried away far too quickly. If we lose to Derby the word cult will immediately change to something very similar...
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Post by bertiestan on Jan 29, 2020 19:33:15 GMT
Never been shit though has he Bayern? Come on mate🙄 He looked shit yeah. He didn’t look like he could finish. Keep banging that drum Bayern...ive never been a huge fan myself for some reason and i still aren’t but he’s not really been shit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2020 20:12:26 GMT
No. Stoke fans like hard workers. Footballing ability doesn’t matter if they work hard. It’s always (as long as I can remember) been the case. It’s odd. And it’s not support when you’re talking about them on here. This is the place to be objective. To talk about players honestly. Gregory was always going to be liked for the reasons outlined. Nothing to do with supporting our players. I respect your opinion and there is no doubt that Stoke supporters love a hard worker. I totally disagree that Stokies don't appreciate footballing ability. Sir Stan, Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhoff, Geoff Salmons, Tony Kelly, Peter Beagrie, Peter Hoekstra, Bjarni, Mark Stein, Lee Hendrie, Ricardo Fuller, Bojan, Shaqiri were all big favourites based on their ability as opposed to their workrate. Must be way more that people can think of. I think you're wrong on this. Stoke supporters will put up with a less talented player if he works hard, and like and respect him, but they love the classy footballers. EDIT - clearly didn't read the rest of the thread. i seem to be in the majority here! I haven’t said they don’t. 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2020 20:20:00 GMT
He looked shit yeah. He didn’t look like he could finish. Keep banging that drum Bayern...ive never been a huge fan myself for some reason and i still aren’t but he’s not really been shit. But he was. And I agree, I don’t really like how he plays even now tbh. Can’t fault it though. Clearly works.
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Post by rosco on Jan 29, 2020 20:22:49 GMT
I'm completely on board the Mon cult.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 29, 2020 20:45:49 GMT
Is there a Tues cult?
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jan 29, 2020 21:54:47 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 29, 2020 23:13:39 GMT
He is doing a great job of proving me wrong so far...long may it continue.
I am not quite in the MON camp yet, i would like to see us with his players and after a pre-season under his belt but so far he is smashing all the tests.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 31, 2020 22:34:25 GMT
I hope tonight's result is a watershed. Not in terms of support for MON, but in terms of MON's support of certain players. He needs to drop those that clearly aren't bothered, those that aren't good enough or make too many mistakes.
He needs to back his judgement on the players brought in, and have faith in youth. It may be a rough ride to start with but he needs to use players who can be improved, which clearly most of the present bunch cannot.
It is usual to back experience in a relegation battle, however you can have all the experience in the world, but it is no use without skill, speed, and some passion. We were a country mile from scoring tonight and our defending was as sloppy as it has been these last two seasons, mainly because the forwards and MF made zero effort to help the defence, who were totally exposed.
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