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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2020 22:04:12 GMT
I’m glad the tone came through 😂 It’s a massive generalisation. One that is true.....generally. If you think of all the crowd favourites over the last 20/30 years you will find our crowd actually loves the flair players. Effort is the minimum requirement. Fuller when he was here was always criticised for his work ethic. He was loved but it wasn’t as much as it should be and is definitely more since he left. Shaq wasn’t loved at all. Arnie - way too many hated him. Way better than Fuller.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 28, 2020 22:07:01 GMT
If you think of all the crowd favourites over the last 20/30 years you will find our crowd actually loves the flair players. Effort is the minimum requirement. Fuller when he was here was always criticised for his work ethic. He was loved but it wasn’t as much as it should be and is definitely more since he left. Shaq wasn’t loved at all. Arnie - way too many hated him. Way better than Fuller. I loved watching all three of those players, and I dare say the vast, vast majority of our fan base did aswell.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2020 22:08:30 GMT
Fuller when he was here was always criticised for his work ethic. He was loved but it wasn’t as much as it should be and is definitely more since he left. Shaq wasn’t loved at all. Arnie - way too many hated him. Way better than Fuller. I loved watching all three of those players, and I dare say the vast, vast majority of our fan base did aswell. Shaq I disagree massively. Arnie will be split. And Fuller’s reputation has grown in retirement.
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Post by logdog on Jan 28, 2020 22:10:29 GMT
I loved watching all three of those players, and I dare say the vast, vast majority of our fan base did aswell. Shaq I disagree massively. Arnie will be split. And Fuller’s reputation has grown in retirement. Peter Hoekstra was universally loved by Stoke fans, as was Peter Beagrie and Mark Chamberlain and Tony Kelly and... I could go on and on...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2020 22:11:44 GMT
Shaq I disagree massively. Arnie will be split. And Fuller’s reputation has grown in retirement. Peter Hoekstra was universally loved by Stoke fans, as was Peter Beagrie and Mark Chamberlain and Tony Kelly and... I could go on and on... Hoekstra is about the only flair player in my time that I’d say was universally loved when he was playing for us. Can’t comment on the other two. I’m too young.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 28, 2020 22:14:15 GMT
I loved watching all three of those players, and I dare say the vast, vast majority of our fan base did aswell. Shaq I disagree massively. Arnie will be split. And Fuller’s reputation has grown in retirement. Shaqiris time with us is soured by being part of the team that got relegated. Prior to that, he was popular i would say.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2020 22:16:00 GMT
Shaq I disagree massively. Arnie will be split. And Fuller’s reputation has grown in retirement. Shaqiris time with us is soured by being part of the team that got relegated. Prior to that, he was popular i would say. Again I couldn’t disagree more sorry. Shaq is up there imo as one of the least appreciated players we’ve had.
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Post by logdog on Jan 28, 2020 22:19:37 GMT
Peter Hoekstra was universally loved by Stoke fans, as was Peter Beagrie and Mark Chamberlain and Tony Kelly and... I could go on and on... Hoekstra is about the only flair player in my time that I’d say was universally loved when he was playing for us. Can’t comment on the other two. I’m too young. In that case, your comment is irrelevant anyway. Stereotyping all Stoke fans as only appreciating grafters when you’ve only being watching for a few decades is pretty gormless.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 28, 2020 22:32:47 GMT
If you think of all the crowd favourites over the last 20/30 years you will find our crowd actually loves the flair players. Effort is the minimum requirement. Fuller when he was here was always criticised for his work ethic. He was loved but it wasn’t as much as it should be and is definitely more since he left. Shaq wasn’t loved at all. Arnie - way too many hated him. Way better than Fuller. Arnie better than Fuller? You’ve come out with some arse in the past but that’s on another level.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2020 22:39:35 GMT
Fuller when he was here was always criticised for his work ethic. He was loved but it wasn’t as much as it should be and is definitely more since he left. Shaq wasn’t loved at all. Arnie - way too many hated him. Way better than Fuller. Arnie better than Fuller? You’ve come out with some arse in the past but that’s on another level. In general it’s not even close is it? Arnie is way better.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2020 22:40:08 GMT
Hoekstra is about the only flair player in my time that I’d say was universally loved when he was playing for us. Can’t comment on the other two. I’m too young. In that case, your comment is irrelevant anyway. Stereotyping all Stoke fans as only appreciating grafters when you’ve only being watching for a few decades is pretty gormless. Wooooaaaaaahhhhh I never said only. You’ve made that one up.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 28, 2020 22:43:21 GMT
Fuller when he was here was always criticised for his work ethic. He was loved but it wasn’t as much as it should be and is definitely more since he left. Shaq wasn’t loved at all. Arnie - way too many hated him. Way better than Fuller. Arnie better than Fuller? You’ve come out with some arse in the past but that’s on another level. Arnie better footballer than Ricardo, no contest. Just a fact.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 28, 2020 22:46:01 GMT
Arnie better than Fuller? You’ve come out with some arse in the past but that’s on another level. Arnie better footballer than Ricardo, no contest. Just a fact. Completely different players. Totally different styles and positions. But Fuller would be on my team sheet before Arnie every single time. Absolute magician. His goal at West Ham. Wolves away. Brum at home. Arnie couldn’t even dream them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 28, 2020 22:47:19 GMT
Arnie better than Fuller? You’ve come out with some arse in the past but that’s on another level. Arnie better footballer than Ricardo, no contest. Just a fact. Yeah it really isn’t. Both awesome and Ric means more (to me anyway) but footballing wise Arnie has shown he’s better throughout his career. Would have loved them in the same mind. But again I don’t think a lot could have coped with the supposed laziness. Not that I think Arnie was lazy and I didn’t give a shit that Ric was, why would you?
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Post by oldschool on Jan 28, 2020 22:49:51 GMT
Arnie better footballer than Ricardo, no contest. Just a fact. Completely different players. Totally different styles and positions. But Fuller would be on my team sheet before Arnie every single time. Absolute magician. His goal at West Ham. Wolves away. Brum at home. Arnie couldn’t even dream them. Some fucking shite comes out on here... if anyone thinks fuller was a better footballer than Arnie give your fucking head a wobble! Absolutely no contest. Fuller is a cult here at Stoke and his status is cemented, but Arnie is a league above! And that’s no disrespect to Fuller either
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 28, 2020 23:12:13 GMT
Completely different players. Totally different styles and positions. But Fuller would be on my team sheet before Arnie every single time. Absolute magician. His goal at West Ham. Wolves away. Brum at home. Arnie couldn’t even dream them. Some fucking shite comes out on here... if anyone thinks fuller was a better footballer than Arnie give your fucking head a wobble! Absolutely no contest. Fuller is a cult here at Stoke and his status is cemented, but Arnie is a league above! And that’s no disrespect to Fuller either Arnie had the edge in physicality and power but Fuller was capable of doing things that Arnie couldn’t. Gifted.
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Post by bertiestan on Jan 28, 2020 23:59:49 GMT
When has Vardy ever been shit ? You're fucking mental you are When he first joined Leicester he looked shite. Jaysus bayern
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Post by bertiestan on Jan 29, 2020 0:02:14 GMT
Anyone saying Arnie isn’t a better football than ric was is seriously tripping.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2020 0:02:19 GMT
When he first joined Leicester he looked shite. Jaysus bayern He did though 😂 4 goals in his first season in the Champo then 5 in the PL. Not great is it?
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Post by bertiestan on Jan 29, 2020 0:03:23 GMT
He did though 😂 4 goals in his first season in the Champo then 5 in the PL. Not great is it? Never been shit though has he Bayern? Come on mate🙄
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2020 0:04:02 GMT
He did though 😂 4 goals in his first season in the Champo then 5 in the PL. Not great is it? Never been shit though has he Bayern? Come on mate🙄 He looked shit yeah. He didn’t look like he could finish.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 0:36:04 GMT
So his 1st season coming from non league....not like you to not give a player time before making a judgement 🤔 He still looked shite. Then his first season in the PL too he looked shite and had a record to match. It really wasn’t outlandish. 😂 ’Finding the next Vardy’ is an obsession that is going to make a lot of individuals considerably richer and a lot of clubs look a bit silly. It’s already happening all over the show but history can also repeat itself. Vardy is a bit of an enigma and a brilliant one at that, just enjoy him.
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Post by markby on Jan 29, 2020 1:00:37 GMT
Anyhow, back to the cult status of Michael etc.
I'll leave you Stoke fans to determine your relationship with him (not my business), but I will point out one thing.
Whether out of irritation or embarrassment, or "It's about the players, not me", or a simple "I'm trying to watch a game here, lads", I don't know, but the man himself has never liked "Michael, Michael, give us a wave!"
Spare him that and he'll thank you for it.
That is all.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 29, 2020 6:45:37 GMT
Anyhow, back to the cult status of Michael etc. I'll leave you Stoke fans to determine your relationship with him (not my business), but I will point out one thing. Whether out of irritation or embarrassment, or "It's about the players, not me", or a simple "I'm trying to watch a game here, lads", I don't know, but the man himself has never liked "Michael, Michael, give us a wave!" Spare him that and he'll thank you for it. That is all. Thank you Mrs O Neil 😎
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 29, 2020 6:55:01 GMT
When has Vardy ever been shit ? You're fucking mental you are Come on, you know the rules of this game: When bayern's right he's right. When bayern's wrong he's right.
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Post by rawli on Jan 29, 2020 7:19:42 GMT
He did though 😂 4 goals in his first season in the Champo then 5 in the PL. Not great is it? Wouldn't it just be easier to say you got it wrong?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2020 7:51:37 GMT
He still looked shite. Then his first season in the PL too he looked shite and had a record to match. It really wasn’t outlandish. 😂 ’Finding the next Vardy’ is an obsession that is going to make a lot of individuals considerably richer and a lot of clubs look a bit silly. It’s already happening all over the show but history can also repeat itself. Vardy is a bit of an enigma and a brilliant one at that, just enjoy him. I would if I was a Leicester fan. He’s been toss for England and past that I don’t really care how he gets on and wouldn’t go out of my way to watch him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2020 7:54:23 GMT
He did though 😂 4 goals in his first season in the Champo then 5 in the PL. Not great is it? Wouldn't it just be easier to say you got it wrong? No. Because at the time he looked shit. He clearly isn’t and he improved massively. Players can improve. That’s not getting it wrong.
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Post by rawli on Jan 29, 2020 8:31:56 GMT
Wouldn't it just be easier to say you got it wrong? No. Because at the time he looked shit. He clearly isn’t and he improved massively. Players can improve. That’s not getting it wrong. Ah. The old 'if I hadn't been wrong I'd have been right' argument.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Jan 29, 2020 14:50:01 GMT
Maybe the fans are just supporting the players? Maybe the fans understand that we are in the second tier now and therefore our players are likely to be limited and unable to provide performances of robotic perfection like you seem to demand? No. Stoke fans like hard workers. Footballing ability doesn’t matter if they work hard. It’s always (as long as I can remember) been the case. It’s odd. And it’s not support when you’re talking about them on here. This is the place to be objective. To talk about players honestly. Gregory was always going to be liked for the reasons outlined. Nothing to do with supporting our players. I respect your opinion and there is no doubt that Stoke supporters love a hard worker. I totally disagree that Stokies don't appreciate footballing ability. Sir Stan, Alan Hudson, Jimmy Greenhoff, Geoff Salmons, Tony Kelly, Peter Beagrie, Peter Hoekstra, Bjarni, Mark Stein, Lee Hendrie, Ricardo Fuller, Bojan, Shaqiri were all big favourites based on their ability as opposed to their workrate. Must be way more that people can think of. I think you're wrong on this. Stoke supporters will put up with a less talented player if he works hard, and like and respect him, but they love the classy footballers. EDIT - clearly didn't read the rest of the thread. i seem to be in the majority here!
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