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Post by liam007 on Jan 24, 2020 17:26:29 GMT
Chapman and Crooks both came through our youth set -up but who would you say had the best career whilst at Stoke and then after.I would say Crooks slightly nudges it at Stoke but think Chapman had the better career.Not checked any wikpedia on the facts just going of memory and opinion.Hopefully Tyrese can eclipse both.
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Post by pavel on Jan 24, 2020 17:31:20 GMT
Crooks the best career by a country mile, his partnership with Steve Archibald at Spurs was one of the best.
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Post by liam007 on Jan 24, 2020 17:35:28 GMT
Crooks the best career by a country mile, his partnership with Steve Archibald at Spurs was one of the best. I know they were great together and 2 consecutive FA Cups in them days should not be ignored but surely a First Division Championship medal that Chapman got top trumps that? |
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Post by lordb on Jan 24, 2020 17:38:24 GMT
Overall Chapman had better career
Crooks was better player and is underated I think
Campbell has shown his class off the pitch (by personally calling Rangers and Celtic) so he's already ahead of Chapman in that regard
Hope he's not another Ian Painter
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Post by liam007 on Jan 24, 2020 17:47:21 GMT
Overall Chapman had better career Crooks was better player and is underated I think Campbell has shown his class off the pitch (by personally calling Rangers and Celtic) so he's already ahead of Chapman in that regard Hope he's not another Ian Painter Think i agree that Crooks was technically a better player but Chapman was a prolific goalscorer and for me personally shades it.My early days on the Boothen were spent watching them both,loved Crooks but gutted when he left.Could never really understand the level of abuse Chapman got but i was young and maybe didn't understand enough.But Chapman from memory hit 17 for two seasons running and always looked like he had a goal in him. |
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Post by rawli on Jan 24, 2020 18:03:01 GMT
Garth was a better player. Chapman maximised his limited talent and then some. Clough transformed Chapman's career and set up his chance to win the league title.
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Post by Ron on Jan 24, 2020 18:03:15 GMT
Chapman and Crooks both came through our youth set -up but who would you say had the best career whilst at Stoke and then after.I would say Crooks slightly nudges it at Stoke but think Chapman had the better career.Not checked any wikpedia on the facts just going of memory and opinion.Hopefully Tyrese can eclipse both. but he didn’t come through our youth ranks did he? We paid over 1 million for him from Man City did we not? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 18:05:14 GMT
Chapman was a strange one.
Technically he was poor,he lumbered around the pitch as if football was an alien sport.But yet he scored loads of goals.I don't think many fans were upset when he was sold..... subsequently he did bloody well for himself, even winning a league championship medal.
Crooks was an exciting technically good player,loved by the fans and most were sad when he was sold.....he never quite reached the levels I expected him to, such as playing for England but he had a good career,shame he turned into a toffy nose Stoke hater at the BBC
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 18:10:56 GMT
Garth was a better player. Chapman maximised his limited talent and then some. Clough transformed Chapman's career and set up his chance to win the league title. Actually it was Howard Wilkinson,he signed him for Sheffield Wednesday and he scored a shit load there before going to Forest and then Wilkinson signed him again for Leeds |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 18:13:18 GMT
The one thing that they'll all have in common is that they won't be anywhere a Stoke shirt when they all played their best football.
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Post by rawli on Jan 24, 2020 18:18:52 GMT
Garth was a better player. Chapman maximised his limited talent and then some. Clough transformed Chapman's career and set up his chance to win the league title. Actually it was Howard Wilkinson,he signed him for Sheffield Wednesday and he scored a shit load there before going to Forest and then Wilkinson signed him again for Leeds Clough turned him into a footballer though - not just a gallumph up front. |
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Post by liam007 on Jan 24, 2020 18:42:47 GMT
From watching him after his time at Stoke albeit via TV he played in the same role for Sheff Wed and Leeds.Thought he was the best poacher around for Leeds for about 2 seasons.At Forest he had to play outside the box more.He adapted to both roles with ease,goals to games ratio a great forward of his time.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 24, 2020 18:55:30 GMT
The one thing that they'll all have in common is that they won't be anywhere a Stoke shirt when they all played their best football. Crooks and Chapman were clearly playing decent football at Stoke to get their big moves. If Campbell gets a big move I'll be delighted, it means he's doing the business. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 24, 2020 18:58:21 GMT
Chapman says in his book that he left Stoke because of the club's lack of ambition, but realised afterwards it was a mistake and he should not have been lured away.
He is one of many players who very highly rates Clough, but says he thinks he was at his best at Leeds.
The job of a striker is to score goals and help out the defence when required, e.g. set pieces. Chapman was better at both.
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Post by liam007 on Jan 24, 2020 19:05:46 GMT
Chapman says in his book that he left Stoke because of the club's lack of ambition, but realised afterwards it was a mistake and he should not have been lured away. He is one of many players who very highly rates Clough, but says he thinks he was at his best at Leeds. The job of a striker is to score goals and help out the defence when required, e.g. set pieces. Chapman was better at both. |
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Post by chad on Jan 24, 2020 19:24:20 GMT
Chapman and Crooks both came through our youth set -up but who would you say had the best career whilst at Stoke and then after.I would say Crooks slightly nudges it at Stoke but think Chapman had the better career.Not checked any wikpedia on the facts just going of memory and opinion.Hopefully Tyrese can eclipse both. but he didn’t come through our youth ranks did he? We paid over 1 million for him from Man City did we not? No definitely not Stoke was his first club This was way before our transfer fees went to £1million |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 24, 2020 19:29:03 GMT
Chapman was a strange one. Technically he was poor,he lumbered around the pitch as if football was an alien sport.But yet he scored loads of goals.I don't think many fans were upset when he was sold..... subsequently he did bloody well for himself, even winning a league championship medal. Crooks was an exciting technically good player,loved by the fans and most were sad when he was sold.....he never quite reached the levels I expected him to, such as playing for England but he had a good career,shame he turned into a toffy nose Stoke hater at the BBC Didn’t he play for England u21 ? |
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Post by lordb on Jan 24, 2020 19:33:19 GMT
but he didn’t come through our youth ranks did he? We paid over 1 million for him from Man City did we not? No definitely not Stoke was his first club This was way before our transfer fees went to £1million He means Campbell |
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Post by chad on Jan 24, 2020 19:37:40 GMT
No definitely not Stoke was his first club This was way before our transfer fees went to £1million He means Campbell Doh !!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 20:08:12 GMT
Chapman was a strange one. Technically he was poor,he lumbered around the pitch as if football was an alien sport.But yet he scored loads of goals.I don't think many fans were upset when he was sold..... subsequently he did bloody well for himself, even winning a league championship medal. Crooks was an exciting technically good player,loved by the fans and most were sad when he was sold.....he never quite reached the levels I expected him to, such as playing for England but he had a good career,shame he turned into a toffy nose Stoke hater at the BBC Didn’t he play for England u21 ? Wasn't it u23 in those days ? He may well have done but so did Ian Moores and every Tom Dick and Harry. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 24, 2020 20:18:05 GMT
Lee Chapman seemed to be at the top of his game for a long time. Anyone confirm this?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 20:41:05 GMT
Lee Chapman seemed to be at the top of his game for a long time. Anyone confirm this? Well he scored 200 goals in 500 games which is pretty good going for a player with limited ability 😁 |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 24, 2020 20:46:12 GMT
Didn’t he play for England u21 ? Wasn't it u23 in those days ? He may well have done but so did Ian Moores and every Tom Dick and Harry. Not sure mate but if I remember once he signed for spuds he didn’t play for England again |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 21:09:25 GMT
Wasn't it u23 in those days ? He may well have done but so did Ian Moores and every Tom Dick and Harry. Not sure mate but if I remember once he signed for spuds he didn’t play for England again You're right,wiki says 4 u21 caps |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 24, 2020 21:19:12 GMT
Not sure mate but if I remember once he signed for spuds he didn’t play for England again You're right,wiki says 4 u21 caps Do you remember Paul Randall from Bristol Rovers , I was working in Somerset last year and the guy who I worked with lived 3 doors down from him , small world |
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 24, 2020 21:27:10 GMT
Lee Chapman seemed to be at the top of his game for a long time. Anyone confirm this? Well he scored 200 goals in 500 games which is pretty good going for a player with limited ability 😁 Isn't everyone's ability limited?  I wish we had a few more with his limited ability. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_ChapmanIf Campbell goes on to be a top scorer in a champion team he will do well. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 25, 2020 2:40:38 GMT
Chapman was a good lead the line target man at Sheffield Wednesday. But it was at Forest where he grew as a player. Clough used to see his skill in training and asked him why he'd never used it in matches. Chapman told him it was because he's a big daft centre forward. Clough told him he might as well be a big dafy centre forward showing his talent! From which point Chapman added some deftness to his game.
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Post by stokey spoon on Jan 25, 2020 2:55:58 GMT
Crooks for me. Great player and an example to all kids who want play as a pro. If you are told no, kick ya mitre casey against the office wall until they say........have a trial then! Then kick ass!
If that fails, wait for Lou and dress up as a Scot 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 25, 2020 6:33:36 GMT
Crooks the best career by a country mile, his partnership with Steve Archibald at Spurs was one of the best. That Spurs team was fabulous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 7:44:41 GMT
You're right,wiki says 4 u21 caps Do you remember Paul Randall from Bristol Rovers , I was working in Somerset last year and the guy who I worked with lived 3 doors down from him , small world Randall was incredible for Rovers,scoring wonder goals every week,came here and must have put his boots on the wrong feet cos he was pretty crap,returned to Rovers and started banging them in again. The Stoke curse was alive and kicking 40 years ago ! |
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