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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 18:15:37 GMT
As he disproved vs Norwich last season . So the one game when it happened counts more than all the others where it didn't happen then. Sure, he is a very pacy fullback! No, he was in some other games too. I just thought you'd want an example.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 23, 2020 18:25:12 GMT
So the one game when it happened counts more than all the others where it didn't happen then. Sure, he is a very pacy fullback! No, he was in some other games too. I just thought you'd want an example. As I've said many times he had a good spell at the end of last season, but apart from that I've never seen anything special from Edwards. Hopefully he'll become a decent Championship fullback, but right now I really think we'll be lucky to even see that from him. If I'm wrong and he improves so much that he even can take the step up to the PL it would be fantastic, but I actually can't see that happen. In my opinion he is too slow to achieve this, and I really can't think of another fullback who is even worse in the air. As I say I really hope I'm wrong, but from what I've seen so far I really doubt I am.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 20:17:22 GMT
He is not a bad player
He makes mistakes and needs experience to learn .
But he can tackle and put in a cross
I think he will come good somewhere
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 23, 2020 20:46:51 GMT
He is not a bad player He makes mistakes and needs experience to learn . But he can tackle and put in a cross I think he will come good somewhere In league one?
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 23, 2020 22:05:20 GMT
So I think this is a reasonable criticism of Smith, he should have been putting in more in the attacking sense. But to use that as a comparison vs Edwards is odd this season. Edwards has been equally poor going forward, but has the added ability to now be a defender who can’t defend. Maybe he needs a leader in the back four to tell him where to be and when, which he isn’t going to get from Batth or Lindsay. Whatever the reason, his ability to put crosses in is the main reason to keep him in the team, but when he isn’t doing that, why should we persist with his inability to defend? Are we forgetting about Fulham, Middlesbrough where he cost us actual points and his numerous errors since. He's an abysmal player for £4M. Toss. This is the issue. No one who prefers Smith to Edwards actually thinks Smith is a good player or was good value for money. He's shit. But crucially he's less shit than Edwards and he is a less shit defender which is the basic requirement of a right back. Be able to defend first, and attacking ability is a bonus. The only exception is if their attacking ability is very good, like Glen Johnson. Edwards attacking ability is nowhere near good enough to make up for his defensive shortcomings. Smith is a just about passable defender, Edwards is an extremely poor defender. On that basis Smith gets the nod. Both need replacing though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2020 22:19:11 GMT
Stoke fans hating young players for decades. Stoke fans hating young local players for eternity.
Tommy fucking Smith 😁
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 22:23:31 GMT
Stoke fans hating young players for decades. Stoke fans hating young local players for eternity. Tommy fucking Smith 😁 I dont hate Edwards. I do think he's shit.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2020 22:28:23 GMT
Stoke fans hating young players for decades. Stoke fans hating young local players for eternity. Tommy fucking Smith 😁 I dont hate Edwards. I do think he's shit. And Tommy Smith?
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 23, 2020 22:29:11 GMT
Just trying to think what young players have been “hated”....strong word....by Stoke fans. I’ve always looked at young players based on ability alone....age isn’t the issue if they aren’t good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 22:34:06 GMT
I dont hate Edwards. I do think he's shit. And Tommy Smith? Also shit. He is the better of two horrible options though. Smith isn't worth the transfer fee. Edwards isn't worth his new 5 year contract. Shit all round.
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Post by simple on Jan 23, 2020 22:39:50 GMT
MON is a experienced manager,Tom Edwards is a immature footballer,more interested partying than getting his head down,to much money and as not done anything in game,Wedgwood estate is quite a party place since Tom moved there .
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2020 22:41:51 GMT
Just trying to think what young players have been “hated”....strong word....by Stoke fans Chapman and Bould from when I first started going. There's plenty. It's a peculiar Stoke thing. This hating of young players to the point that you make up black eyes being a result of a boisterous, intoxicated lifestyle with zero evidence, really doesn't happen in other places.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 23, 2020 22:49:12 GMT
Just trying to think what young players have been “hated”....strong word....by Stoke fans Chapman and Bould from when I first started going. There's plenty. It's a peculiar Stoke thing. This hating of young players to the point that you make up black eyes being a result of a boisterous, intoxicated lifestyle with zero evidence, really doesn't happen in other places. Watched them both when they came through...never recall any hate. I remember laughing at Bould’s own goal....but never, ever any hate from what I experienced.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2020 22:51:57 GMT
Chapman and Bould from when I first started going. There's plenty. It's a peculiar Stoke thing. This hating of young players to the point that you make up black eyes being a result of a boisterous, intoxicated lifestyle with zero evidence, really doesn't happen in other places. Watched them both when they came through...never recall any hate. I remember laughing at Bould’s own goal....but never, ever any hate from what I experienced. Both openly booed like Edwards.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 23, 2020 22:54:48 GMT
Watched them both when they came through...never recall any hate. I remember laughing at Bould’s own goal....but never, ever any hate from what I experienced. Both openly booed like Edwards. Yep, you are right...hated they were.
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Post by britvic72 on Jan 24, 2020 4:42:08 GMT
He is not a bad player He makes mistakes and needs experience to learn . But he can tackle and put in a cross I think he will come good somewhere In league one? Of the PDSL?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 7:46:56 GMT
Just trying to think what young players have been “hated”....strong word....by Stoke fans Chapman and Bould from when I first started going. There's plenty. It's a peculiar Stoke thing. This hating of young players to the point that you make up black eyes being a result of a boisterous, intoxicated lifestyle with zero evidence, really doesn't happen in other places. Chapman was a donkey.....for us. But to put that in some perspective Stoke fans have always had a boo boy. Viv Busby was one.He wasn't a local boy. Bjarni another.Again he wasn't a local boy. No matter how many times you persist with your agenda it's got nothing to do with these players being young or local .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2020 7:55:23 GMT
Watched them both when they came through...never recall any hate. I remember laughing at Bould’s own goal....but never, ever any hate from what I experienced. Both openly booed like Edwards. Yep. Wilko had to put up with it for years as well, despite Pulis not once finding a better option than him in a decade of trying.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 24, 2020 7:57:08 GMT
Both openly booed like Edwards. Yep. Wilko had to put up with it for years as well, despite Pulis not once finding a better option than him in a decade of trying. People to this day still don’t see him as a PL quality full back.
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Post by neddy on Jan 24, 2020 8:00:58 GMT
To me it’s as simple as he had a dip in form (which can happen) and he needs to get his head down, train hard and win the shirt back taking the opportunity when he gets it?
Nothing more nothing less?
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 24, 2020 8:17:28 GMT
Just trying to think what young players have been “hated”....strong word....by Stoke fans Chapman and Bould from when I first started going. There's plenty. It's a peculiar Stoke thing. This hating of young players to the point that you make up black eyes being a result of a boisterous, intoxicated lifestyle with zero evidence, really doesn't happen in other places. Can’t remember too many people ‘hating’ Marsh, Pejic, Smith or Bloor!......our heroic, homegrown back four of the early 70s. Remember Eric Skeels and Alex Elder getting a bit of stick though but they were from Lancs and NI. I think our fans have always wanted our local players to come good. Crooks was well liked despite coming through at a very difficult time for black players. A sense of disappointment for some of our young ones rather than hatred is a more reasonable description. Like Ruggiero, Bowers, Lees etc Bould wasn’t disliked at all but we didn’t realise how good he was until he went. Same could be said of Dixon but he wasn’t from around Stoke. Edwards has looked promising at times but he has been truly awful this season and Smith is unfortunately the better option of the 2 currently.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2020 8:33:51 GMT
Call this the raving of a demented fool but I personally think he offers more than Smith and would have him in the team. He has dips in form but breaking news - young players will.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 24, 2020 8:43:44 GMT
Call this the raving of a demented fool but I personally think he offers more than Smith and would have him in the team. He has dips in form but breaking news - young players will. How can you criticise MON’ decision making re: back four. We are not conceding. So why would you try to fix something not broken? We need a certain amount of experience at the back to get us out of this hole. Looks like it’s working.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 24, 2020 8:54:34 GMT
Call this the raving of a demented fool but I personally think he offers more than Smith and would have him in the team. He has dips in form but breaking news - young players will. If only dipped in and out of form he'd play more often. He hasn't been "in form" all season. He's slumped from what was already a low base, not dipped. What attributes does he actually have? You can see tyrese is a goalscorer. You can see Collins is great in the air, good on the ball and a leader. You can see thibaud is tricky with 2 good feet. Even lasse Sorenson you can see is a tidy footballer with a good brain. What does Edwards offer? He's not great in 1 v 1 situations he doesn't stop crosses coming into the box, he isn't quick, he's no trick when he's going forward and his crossing, which is supposed to be his best attribute, is as hit and miss as McLean's.
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 24, 2020 9:04:49 GMT
Yep. Wilko had to put up with it for years as well, despite Pulis not once finding a better option than him in a decade of trying. People to this day still don’t see him as a PL quality full back. Maybe not but what he lacked in quality he made up for with grit and determination and that got him through. I'd take that any day over a few games a season show pony.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2020 9:05:36 GMT
Call this the raving of a demented fool but I personally think he offers more than Smith and would have him in the team. He has dips in form but breaking news - young players will. How can you criticise MON’ decision making re: back four. We are not conceding. So why would you try to fix something not broken? We need a certain amount of experience at the back to get us out of this hole. Looks like it’s working. I think it's down to the greater organisation generally rather than the back four. They are still riven with individual mistakes. I'm not criticising MON.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2020 9:06:38 GMT
Call this the raving of a demented fool but I personally think he offers more than Smith and would have him in the team. He has dips in form but breaking news - young players will. If only dipped in and out of form he'd play more often. He hasn't been "in form" all season. He's slumped from what was already a low base, not dipped. What attributes does he actually have? You can see tyrese is a goalscorer. You can see Collins is great in the air, good on the ball and a leader. You can see thibaud is tricky with 2 good feet. Even lasse Sorenson you can see is a tidy footballer with a good brain. What does Edwards offer? He's not great in 1 v 1 situations he doesn't stop crosses coming into the box, he isn't quick, he's no trick when he's going forward and his crossing, which is supposed to be his best attribute, is as hit and miss as McLean's. He is quick, he overlaps and he's capable of a decent zip of a ball into the box. What does Smith offer?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 9:07:25 GMT
If only dipped in and out of form he'd play more often. He hasn't been "in form" all season. He's slumped from what was already a low base, not dipped. What attributes does he actually have? You can see tyrese is a goalscorer. You can see Collins is great in the air, good on the ball and a leader. You can see thibaud is tricky with 2 good feet. Even lasse Sorenson you can see is a tidy footballer with a good brain. What does Edwards offer? He's not great in 1 v 1 situations he doesn't stop crosses coming into the box, he isn't quick, he's no trick when he's going forward and his crossing, which is supposed to be his best attribute, is as hit and miss as McLean's. He is quick, he overlaps and he's capable of a decent zip of a ball into the box. What does Smith offer? He raises his arm in desperation like no other man I've ever seen play football. It's absolutely beautiful.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 24, 2020 9:09:25 GMT
People to this day still don’t see him as a PL quality full back. Maybe not but what he lacked in quality he made up for with grit and determination and that got him through. I'd take that any day over a few games a season show pony. I think that's being a tad harsh tbh. He wasn't great on the ball but he was a bloody good defender on the whole. And when he got forward the quality wasn't often there but his runs created space for others and that was really useful.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 24, 2020 9:25:59 GMT
People to this day still don’t see him as a PL quality full back. Maybe not but what he lacked in quality he made up for with grit and determination and that got him through. I'd take that any day over a few games a season show pony. He never really had a ‘Woodgate at Wolves’ or a ‘Sonko at Blackburn’ type stinker, did he? Always a 6 or 7 for me. Never had other clubs sniffing after him but never looked like he’d get rinsed either.
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