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Post by pez75 on Jan 14, 2020 16:34:17 GMT
The back four we fielded on Saturday was horrendous as we'll no doubt find out on Monday night, even against a team not in the best form. When did "horrendous" come to define a defensive performance that involved no goals conceded and hardly a shot on goal against the league's form team? The game was dreadful as a spectacle but in no way was it a horrendous defensive performance. We kept a clean sheet but that was more thanks to Millwalls approach to the game than clinical defending. Batth was shocking, Lindsay always makes me nervous and Smith was tentative to the extreme.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 14, 2020 16:34:23 GMT
Play him right wing, his crossing his better than his defending. He lacks pace to get past defenders unfortunately.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2020 16:40:36 GMT
The back four we fielded on Saturday was horrendous as we'll no doubt find out on Monday night, even against a team not in the best form. When did "horrendous" come to define a defensive performance that involved no goals conceded and hardly a shot on goal against the league's form team? The game was dreadful as a spectacle but in no way was it a horrendous defensive performance. Nor was the game against Reading but that had different outcomes.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2020 16:44:50 GMT
You mean EXACTLY like the Reading match that Edwards was hooked for an identical display to Smith's on Saturday? £4M on the feckless Smith makes me want to weep. You think that defence will keep us up?! I will gently suggest you're talking out of your hat! Our defence isn't great but do you seriously think replacing Smith with Edwards will improve it? I don't know but maybe we might have something more about us going forward, in what was for me a must win game on Saturday. Smith played with all the ambition of a player whose team is one nil up in the 97th minute of a semi final for the entire game.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 14, 2020 17:07:32 GMT
Our defence isn't great but do you seriously think replacing Smith with Edwards will improve it? I don't know but maybe we might have something more about us going forward, in what was for me a must win game on Saturday. Smith played with all the ambition of a player whose team is one nil up in the 97th minute of a semi final for the entire game. I agree Edwards gives us more going forward but weakens us defensively. Had he played on Saturday I don't think his attacking contribution would have won us the game but his defensive frailties might have lost it. Millwall came for a draw, were well organised and good for the point. Thing is we came away with a point rather than a loss which is an improvement on what was happening earlier in the season. We certainly need to win more but a few hard fought draws won't come amiss. Longer term the defense needs an overhaul but for the moment we have to make do with what we've got and for me Smith - despite all his very obvious limitations - is a better option than Edwards - who still has time to come good.
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 15, 2020 9:57:48 GMT
I don't know but maybe we might have something more about us going forward, in what was for me a must win game on Saturday. Smith played with all the ambition of a player whose team is one nil up in the 97th minute of a semi final for the entire game. I agree Edwards gives us more going forward but weakens us defensively. Had he played on Saturday I don't think his attacking contribution would have won us the game but his defensive frailties might have lost it. Millwall came for a draw, were well organised and good for the point. Thing is we came away with a point rather than a loss which is an improvement on what was happening earlier in the season. We certainly need to win more but a few hard fought draws won't come amiss. Longer term the defense needs an overhaul but for the moment we have to make do with what we've got and for me Smith - despite all his very obvious limitations - is a better option than Edwards - who still has time to come good. I've seen a couple suggest similar about Edwards' prowess moving forward - genuine question, what is that based on exactly? He has one assist in his entire career (I think?) doesn't have the pace to beat a man when he has the courage to actually try (which isn't often) and rarely offers an overlap. I know he is capable of a decent cross but based on the above they are few and far between? I think Smith has shown he is far more capable moving forward and I believe he will only get better. He has also done it before in this league and the year Hudders went up he had 10 assists and 4 goals so he has proven pedigree that we should seek to recover - it's not like a 32 yr old is keeping a brilliant teenage propsect out of the team, he's 27 and in the prime years of his career and Tom turns 21 next week. If they were close in capability I would prefer the young, local lad to play but they are honestly not. Tom needs to buckle down and if rumours on here are to be believed, take his career a little more seriously.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 15, 2020 10:05:12 GMT
I agree Edwards gives us more going forward but weakens us defensively. Had he played on Saturday I don't think his attacking contribution would have won us the game but his defensive frailties might have lost it. Millwall came for a draw, were well organised and good for the point. Thing is we came away with a point rather than a loss which is an improvement on what was happening earlier in the season. We certainly need to win more but a few hard fought draws won't come amiss. Longer term the defense needs an overhaul but for the moment we have to make do with what we've got and for me Smith - despite all his very obvious limitations - is a better option than Edwards - who still has time to come good. I think Smith has shown he is far more capable moving forward and I believe he will only get better. . I think you're seeing things. He's been abysmal as an attacking force for us and bang average defensively. Did anyone mention Middlesbrough or Fulham in the recent cannon of the great man's recent defensive work?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 10:17:52 GMT
Bringing Edwards in for Smith would be like trying to put out a fire by throwing petrol on it.
It would be absolute lunacy.
MoN seems a sensible enough bloke though. Can't see it happening.
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 15, 2020 10:29:54 GMT
I think Smith has shown he is far more capable moving forward and I believe he will only get better. . I think you're seeing things. He's been abysmal as an attacking force for us and bang average defensively. Did anyone mention Middlesbrough or Fulham in the recent cannon of the great man's recent defensive work?! Oh, he's far from perfect and also been culpable for goals conceded, I just believe at this point in the time the lesser of the two evils is him and based on his pedigree I'm hopeful he can improve/reclaim some of his former glories once the team gains confidence and settles down.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 15, 2020 10:45:47 GMT
Smith and Edwards are both glaring weak links. I can’t believe Jones saddled us with Smith and we’ve given Edwards a 5 year deal.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 17, 2020 10:22:50 GMT
Smith and Edwards are both glaring weak links. I can’t believe Jones saddled us with Smith and we’ve given Edwards a 5 year deal. Aye chucking a 5 year contract at him was ridiculous. I get the logic as he is a local lad but surely a 3 year deal would have been more sensible to monitor his progress. Just shows how inept the club are in terms of their overall planning. No need for me to highlight the Wimmer, berahinho, Imbula situations...…………………..
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 23, 2020 9:55:53 GMT
Looks like he is sporting a nice shiner at the moment, I hope it is through football and not his off the pitch antics (I fear not)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2020 10:00:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 10:15:53 GMT
Play him right wing, his crossing his better than his defending. He lacks pace to get past defenders unfortunately. As he disproved vs Norwich last season .
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 23, 2020 10:26:53 GMT
He lacks pace to get past defenders unfortunately. As he disproved vs Norwich last season . So the one game when it happened counts more than all the others where it didn't happen then. Sure, he is a very pacy fullback!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2020 10:29:45 GMT
As he disproved vs Norwich last season . So the one game when it happened counts more than all the others where it didn't happen then. Sure, he is a very pacy fullback! How fast is Smithy? I've not seen him run in a forward motion for more than three feet yet so it's difficult to tell.
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 23, 2020 10:57:06 GMT
Sorry Sheikh, yes you're absolutely right, I positively thrive at the prospect of players getting into trouble and putting themselves out of contention to the possible detriment of the team I support. Grow up.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2020 11:04:17 GMT
Sorry Sheikh, yes you're absolutely right, I positively thrive at the prospect of players getting into trouble and putting themselves out of contention to the possible detriment of the team I support. Grow up. It drips through every syllable if your post. He plays a contact sport every day of his working life and you "fear" that a mark on his face results from some sort of piss up or party. Its transparent and pathetic.
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Post by rawli on Jan 23, 2020 11:07:37 GMT
Bringing Edwards in for Smith would be like trying to put out a fire by throwing petrol on it. It would be absolute lunacy. MoN seems a sensible enough bloke though. Can't see it happening. My dad used to tell me to fight fire with fire. That's why he was kicked out of the fire brigade. Apologies to Harry Hill.
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 23, 2020 11:47:39 GMT
Sorry Sheikh, yes you're absolutely right, I positively thrive at the prospect of players getting into trouble and putting themselves out of contention to the possible detriment of the team I support. Grow up. It drips through every syllable if your post. He plays a contact sport every day of his working life and you "fear" that a mark on his face results from some sort of piss up or party. Its transparent and pathetic. The amount of effort you go to in order to get all frothy mouthed about anything or anyone daring to criticise Edwards is unhealthy, as is your constant berating of the man comfortably keeping him out of the team. Transparent and pathetic.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 23, 2020 11:59:02 GMT
Ton Edwards needs to knuckle down,work hard in training and hope when he gets back in the team he gets back to something like his form to the latter end of last season.This season he’s been dreadful when he’s played in my opinion and not a patch on the player we saw breakthrough and be given the massive contract. I just hope he’s not another young player that believes in all the hype and fucks up his career.Its not just one manager now that’s dropped him from the team/squad either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 12:01:32 GMT
It drips through every syllable if your post. He plays a contact sport every day of his working life and you "fear" that a mark on his face results from some sort of piss up or party. Its transparent and pathetic. The amount of effort you go to in order to get all frothy mouthed about anything or anyone daring to criticise Edwards is unhealthy, as is your constant berating of the man comfortably keeping him out of the team. Transparent and pathetic. Don't worry,Sheik will be turning his attention to berating the manager again soon,not long to the Irish playoffs
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2020 12:22:28 GMT
It drips through every syllable if your post. He plays a contact sport every day of his working life and you "fear" that a mark on his face results from some sort of piss up or party. Its transparent and pathetic. The amount of effort you go to in order to get all frothy mouthed about anything or anyone daring to criticise Edwards is unhealthy, as is your constant berating of the man comfortably keeping him out of the team. Transparent and pathetic. Making stuff up about Edwards as you do is far weirder than anything I'm engaged in. Keep enjoying Tommy's forward play. It's real Mogodon edge of the seat stuff
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 12:31:43 GMT
The amount of effort you go to in order to get all frothy mouthed about anything or anyone daring to criticise Edwards is unhealthy, as is your constant berating of the man comfortably keeping him out of the team. Transparent and pathetic. Making stuff up about Edwards as you do is far weirder than anything I'm engaged in. Keep enjoying Tommy's forward play. It's real Mogodon edge of the seat stuff So I think this is a reasonable criticism of Smith, he should have been putting in more in the attacking sense. But to use that as a comparison vs Edwards is odd this season. Edwards has been equally poor going forward, but has the added ability to now be a defender who can’t defend. Maybe he needs a leader in the back four to tell him where to be and when, which he isn’t going to get from Batth or Lindsay. Whatever the reason, his ability to put crosses in is the main reason to keep him in the team, but when he isn’t doing that, why should we persist with his inability to defend?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 23, 2020 12:33:23 GMT
Making stuff up about Edwards as you do is far weirder than anything I'm engaged in. Keep enjoying Tommy's forward play. It's real Mogodon edge of the seat stuff So I think this is a reasonable criticism of Smith, he should have been putting in more in the attacking sense. But to use that as a comparison vs Edwards is odd this season. Edwards has been equally poor going forward, but has the added ability to now be a defender who can’t defend. Maybe he needs a leader in the back four to tell him where to be and when, which he isn’t going to get from Batth or Lindsay. Whatever the reason, his ability to put crosses in is the main reason to keep him in the team, but when he isn’t doing that, why should we persist with his inability to defend? Are we forgetting about Fulham, Middlesbrough where he cost us actual points and his numerous errors since. He's an abysmal player for £4M. Toss.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 23, 2020 12:38:48 GMT
Consequently he’s 21 today and the club used his goal against Norwich as part of the post. It was cracker.
Also a bit of a reminder that he is only 21 so plenty of time for him to learn and get back in. From what I’ve seen so far I reckon MON will be telling him exactly what he expects from him.
As for his rumoured off the field antics. I was a colossal bellend at 20/21 as I imagine most lads are so he ain’t really much different.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 12:49:02 GMT
So I think this is a reasonable criticism of Smith, he should have been putting in more in the attacking sense. But to use that as a comparison vs Edwards is odd this season. Edwards has been equally poor going forward, but has the added ability to now be a defender who can’t defend. Maybe he needs a leader in the back four to tell him where to be and when, which he isn’t going to get from Batth or Lindsay. Whatever the reason, his ability to put crosses in is the main reason to keep him in the team, but when he isn’t doing that, why should we persist with his inability to defend? Are we forgetting about Fulham, Middlesbrough where he cost us actual points and his numerous errors since. He's an abysmal player for £4M. Toss. Oh we overpaid for sure, and he’s not a top player, but he has still played better defensively on the whole than Edwards has, who has been at fault for quite a few this season as well. So again, neither have done anything of note going forward all season, but Smith has done less wrong defensively. Also, Cousins and Batth have much more of the blame to share than Smith at Boro, and the guy was offside vs Fulham.
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Post by rawli on Jan 23, 2020 16:12:22 GMT
Consequently he’s 21 today and the club used his goal against Norwich as part of the post. It was cracker. Also a bit of a reminder that he is only 21 so plenty of time for him to learn and get back in. From what I’ve seen so far I reckon MON will be telling him exactly what he expects from him. As for his rumoured off the field antics. I was a colossal bellend at 20/21 as I imagine most lads are so he ain’t really much different. To be fair, I'm guessing your career didn't depend on you being at peak physical fitness or pay you thousands of pounds as compensation for not being a bellend. I know my career didn't hence being the village idiot. He must be thick as pig shit if he is swanning round giving it the big un. It's very easy to move from the next big thing to a could've been. Everyone around him should be telling him that.
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Post by Northy on Jan 23, 2020 16:36:39 GMT
So the one game when it happened counts more than all the others where it didn't happen then. Sure, he is a very pacy fullback! How fast is Smithy? I've not seen him run in a forward motion for more than three feet yet so it's difficult to tell. don't be so silly, of course he has
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 23, 2020 18:06:59 GMT
So the one game when it happened counts more than all the others where it didn't happen then. Sure, he is a very pacy fullback! How fast is Smithy? I've not seen him run in a forward motion for more than three feet yet so it's difficult to tell. I've never said Smith was the real deal, but he certainly is better than Edwards at the moment.
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