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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 6:58:13 GMT
Iran's military says it unintentionally shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, Iran's state TV reports. The statement said it had done so due to human error. This unsurprisingly makes a total mockery of the head of the Iranian Civil Aviation Authority who was adamant yesterday that there was absolutely no indication that this was due to a missile strike. He also said the debris would have been spread over a much larger area if a missile had caused the crash. Looks like he was obviously doing as he was told and trying to deflect blame rather than try to determine the real cause of the accident. I wonder if there will be a compensation claim from the airline for a shiny new aircraft speeding it's way to the Iranian government.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 11, 2020 6:58:15 GMT
I think the only fact anyone (including us) can be certain of is the desire for oil mate. It trumps (no pun intended) everything. I believe China are getting into Africa quite heavily now. Another fucked up area of the planet. China is sub saharan Africa's biggest trading partner and investing in a lot of countries, roads, rail, super ports etc. a new colonial power or Africa's assets it's target? Good news that for the elephants rhino's and pangolins with Chinese being stklers for international law that should stop the killing and smuggling at source
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 8:19:19 GMT
Iran's military says it unintentionally shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, Iran's state TV reports. The statement said it had done so due to human error. This unsurprisingly makes a total mockery of the head of the Iranian Civil Aviation Authority who was adamant yesterday that there was absolutely no indication that this was due to a missile strike. He also said the debris would have been spread over a much larger area if a missile had caused the crash. Looks like he was obviously doing as he was told and trying to deflect blame rather than try to determine the real cause of the accident. I wonder if there will be a compensation claim from the airline for a shiny new aircraft speeding it's way to the Iranian government. If it’s anything like the American compensation for the Iranian plane they shot down in 1988 it will be around $200k per victim. Not much for the loss of a life really?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 8:51:56 GMT
This unsurprisingly makes a total mockery of the head of the Iranian Civil Aviation Authority who was adamant yesterday that there was absolutely no indication that this was due to a missile strike. He also said the debris would have been spread over a much larger area if a missile had caused the crash. Looks like he was obviously doing as he was told and trying to deflect blame rather than try to determine the real cause of the accident. I wonder if there will be a compensation claim from the airline for a shiny new aircraft speeding it's way to the Iranian government. If it’s anything like the American compensation for the Iranian plane they shot down in 1988 it will be around $200k per victim. Not much for the loss of a life really? I agree, it's a disgrace. Life's "cheap" when it suits isn't it ?
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 11, 2020 9:10:46 GMT
Mmm....so the lying bastards did bring it down, what a surprise. They couldn’t lie straight in a bed. I imagine it’s still Trump’s fault though for some.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 11, 2020 9:22:04 GMT
With the data recorders having to be opened independently and scrutinised closely it strikes me that they're biting the bullet knowing there's likely to be some damning evidence that'll incriminate them anyway.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 11, 2020 10:12:21 GMT
With the data recorders having to be opened independently and scrutinised closely it strikes me that they're biting the bullet knowing there's likely to be some damning evidence that'll incriminate them anyway. I've read quite a few people saying it would take staggering incompetence to launch a missile at a civil flight accidentially time to look more closely at the passenger list and see if there was anyone they wanted gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 10:23:15 GMT
With the data recorders having to be opened independently and scrutinised closely it strikes me that they're biting the bullet knowing there's likely to be some damning evidence that'll incriminate them anyway. I've read quite a few people saying it would take staggering incompetence to launch a missile at a civil flight accidentially time to look more closely at the passenger list and see if there was anyone they wanted gone. Yep, the same levels of incompetence as the USA in ‘88 and all those times they’ve killed allied troops with “friendly” fire/bombing. Happens the world over unfortunately......
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 11, 2020 10:37:10 GMT
I've read quite a few people saying it would take staggering incompetence to launch a missile at a civil flight accidentially time to look more closely at the passenger list and see if there was anyone they wanted gone. Yep, the same levels of incompetence as the USA in ‘88 and all those times they’ve killed allied troops with “friendly” fire/bombing. Happens the world over unfortunately...... True it's happened in every conflict through history, the problem now is some poor Iranian who pushed a button most likely under orders will pay with his life.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jan 11, 2020 12:17:45 GMT
With the data recorders having to be opened independently and scrutinised closely it strikes me that they're biting the bullet knowing there's likely to be some damning evidence that'll incriminate them anyway. I've read quite a few people saying it would take staggering incompetence to launch a missile at a civil flight accidentially time to look more closely at the passenger list and see if there was anyone they wanted gone. Probably out of my depth here but don't commercial and military aircraft have completely different transponder signals for ID. So 'accidentally' shooting down a 737 is nigh on impossible. Interesting point re the passenger list.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 11, 2020 12:46:07 GMT
I've read quite a few people saying it would take staggering incompetence to launch a missile at a civil flight accidentially time to look more closely at the passenger list and see if there was anyone they wanted gone. Probably out of my depth here but don't commercial and military aircraft have completely different transponder signals for ID. So 'accidentally' shooting down a 737 is nigh on impossible. Interesting point re the passenger list. I think it's probably impossible for us to imagine the motivations of a poorly equipped Iranian soldier on a state of high alert stationed near key infrastructure in the immediate aftermath of their country launching missiles at the most powerful country on earth. There are many many easier, cleaner ways to bump off someone who's just been on the ground in your country than to shoot down the airliner carrying them away, along with 170-odd randoms. Whatever the chain of events leading to this awful act, I really don't think the conspiracy thing rings true. As others have pointed out, these kinds of things can unfortunately happen during periods of high tension between nations. Lots of other flights were cancelled that night precisely because of the tense situation. Which isn't to blame the Ukrainian Airline, just to show that various operators clearly felt there was a general risk to aviation, regardless of all the technology on hand to identify their aircraft as civilian.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 11, 2020 18:19:52 GMT
Plane crash what a wanker it was shot down by his chums, some people thought he was fit to be prime minister....
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 11, 2020 18:24:56 GMT
I've read quite a few people saying it would take staggering incompetence to launch a missile at a civil flight accidentially time to look more closely at the passenger list and see if there was anyone they wanted gone. Probably out of my depth here but don't commercial and military aircraft have completely different transponder signals for ID. So 'accidentally' shooting down a 737 is nigh on impossible. Interesting point re the passenger list. Yes I have heard this mentioned about transponders, these missiles have to be fired at a chosen target for them to lock onto the target, I understand the points about friendly fire but these have generally been caused by human error firing / dropping bombs at the wrong area / location, the missile requires some sort of basic training so that plane had to be chosen to be shot down for some reason, its possible it could be staggering incompetence but I will wait and see.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 11, 2020 18:45:13 GMT
Plane crash what a wanker it was shot down by his chums, some people thought he was fit to be prime minister.... Hey kids, today we're going to learn all about Oatcakeland, a magical village in which words don't mean the same as what they do in the Real World. This is because monsters from Twitterland have cast a spell over the people of Oatcakeland - people like fyd - a spell which tells them how to think. And a spell which compels them to disagree with anything the hermit Jeremy Corbyn says - even when he's saying something that's true... Until this spell is broken, the frightful "Curse of Idiocy" can't be lifted And so it was that when an aeroplane tragically collided with the ground in the Real World, in Oatcakeland it was decided by some that the event could not possibly be described as a "crash"...
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Post by salopstick on Jan 11, 2020 19:19:50 GMT
Welcome to the real world
It wasn’t a crash it was shot down
Huge difference. By referring it to as a crash it is lumped with other aviations accidents.
Pan Am flight 103 did not crash. It was blown up
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 11, 2020 19:38:13 GMT
Welcome to the real world It wasn’t a crash it was shot down Huge difference. By referring it to as a crash it is lumped with other aviations accidents. Pan Am flight 103 did not crash. It was blown up Wrong. When planes come out of the sky and collide with the earth in an unplanned manner, it's called a plane crash. A plane crash can be caused by lots of terrible things, including the plane being shot down. This obsession with getting angry about every single little thing that Jeremy Corbyn says and does is bizarre, irrational and frankly unhealthy. He's on his way out. Let it go.
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 11, 2020 19:44:28 GMT
Welcome to the real world It wasn’t a crash it was shot down Huge difference. By referring it to as a crash it is lumped with other aviations accidents. Pan Am flight 103 did not crash. It was blown up Described by the Iranian government as accidentally shooting down.makes no sense as someone had to point and shoot the missile
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 11, 2020 19:48:39 GMT
Welcome to the real world It wasn’t a crash it was shot down Huge difference. By referring it to as a crash it is lumped with other aviations accidents. Pan Am flight 103 did not crash. It was blown up Wrong. When planes come out of the sky and collide with the earth in an unplanned manner, it's called a plane crash. A plane crash can be caused by lots of terrible things, including the plane being shot down. This obsession with getting angry about every single little thing that Jeremy Corbyn says and does is bizarre, irrational and frankly unhealthy. He's on his way out. Let it go. It appears to have been done in a planned manner though, it was shot out of the sky by missiles.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 11, 2020 19:55:59 GMT
Wrong. When planes come out of the sky and collide with the earth in an unplanned manner, it's called a plane crash. A plane crash can be caused by lots of terrible things, including the plane being shot down. This obsession with getting angry about every single little thing that Jeremy Corbyn says and does is bizarre, irrational and frankly unhealthy. He's on his way out. Let it go. It appears to have been done in a planned manner though, it was shot out of the sky by missiles. I think regardless of how it happened, it's still a plane crash. And regardless of anything, the central point remains that this obsession of some with Jeremy Corbyn is simply weird. That German plane that was deliberately flown into a mountain a few years back by a deranged pilot: was that therefore not a crash either because it was a malicious act? Were the planes that collided with the WTC not crashes? I really think some people just need to stop obsessing with Jeremy Corbyn. He's gone.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 11, 2020 20:00:54 GMT
It appears to have been done in a planned manner though, it was shot out of the sky by missiles. I think regardless of how it happened, it's still a plane crash. And regardless of anything, the central point remains that this obsession of some with Jeremy Corbyn is simply weird. That German plane that was deliberately flown into a mountain a few years back by a deranged pilot: was that therefore not a crash either because it was a malicious act? Were the planes that collided with the WTC not crashes? I really think some people just need to stop obsessing with Jeremy Corbyn. He's gone. Quite agree, I was just being pedantic about the 'unplanned manner' bit, those you mention were clearly planned.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 11, 2020 20:04:27 GMT
I think regardless of how it happened, it's still a plane crash. And regardless of anything, the central point remains that this obsession of some with Jeremy Corbyn is simply weird. That German plane that was deliberately flown into a mountain a few years back by a deranged pilot: was that therefore not a crash either because it was a malicious act? Were the planes that collided with the WTC not crashes? I really think some people just need to stop obsessing with Jeremy Corbyn. He's gone. Quite agree, I was just being pedantic about the 'unplanned manner' bit, those you mention were clearly planned. Fair dos, it would be hypocritical of me to complain about pedantry in an argument about semantics I don't think this particular incident was planned though - in as much as I don't believe Iran meant to shoot down an airliner, they thought it was something else.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 11, 2020 20:21:20 GMT
Wrong. When planes come out of the sky and collide with the earth in an unplanned manner, it's called a plane crash. A plane crash can be caused by lots of terrible things, including the plane being shot down. This obsession with getting angry about every single little thing that Jeremy Corbyn says and does is bizarre, irrational and frankly unhealthy. He's on his way out. Let it go. It appears to have been done in a planned manner though, it was shot out of the sky by missiles. Its a shame the block doesnt work on people replying to him but the plane was blown up it didnt crash as it had ceased to be a plane the second the missile hit, its no accident corbyn refers to it in this way its his chums who did it, did he refer to solemani as dying in a car accident did he fuck.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 11, 2020 20:25:42 GMT
It appears to have been done in a planned manner though, it was shot out of the sky by missiles. Its a shame the block doesnt work on people replying to him but the plane was blown up it didnt crash as it had ceased to be a plane the second the missile hit, its no accident corbyn refers to it in this way its his chums who did it, did he refer to solemani as dying in a car accident did he fuck. Blocking people on a public forum - the DIY echo chamber
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 11, 2020 20:26:00 GMT
Welcome to the real world It wasn’t a crash it was shot down Huge difference. By referring it to as a crash it is lumped with other aviations accidents. Pan Am flight 103 did not crash. It was blown up Described by the Iranian government as accidentally shooting down.makes no sense as someone had to point and shoot the missile Apparently they mistook it for an aggressor because a Boeing 737 airliner looks just like an enemy aircraft, they deliberately aimed a missile fired and destroyed an unarmed passenger jet, who the fcuk are they tying to kid, a trained solider/technician fired that missile he or she would have had to have positive identification and permission from a superior to launch the fcuking thing, crashed my arse it was brought down by a missile simple as that.
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Post by vokeswagen on Jan 11, 2020 20:27:44 GMT
Described by the Iranian government as accidentally shooting down.makes no sense as someone had to point and shoot the missile Apparently they mistook it for an aggressor because a Boeing 737 airliner looks just like an enemy aircraft, they deliberately aimed a missile fired and destroyed an unarmed passenger jet, who the fcuk are they tying to kid, a trained solider/technician fired that missile he or she would have had to have positive identification and permission from a superior to launch the fcuking thing, crashed my arse it was brought down by a missile simple as that. Ah, thank fuck for that - the NTSB has arrived
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Post by Northy on Jan 13, 2020 9:54:57 GMT
I've read quite a few people saying it would take staggering incompetence to launch a missile at a civil flight accidentially time to look more closely at the passenger list and see if there was anyone they wanted gone. Yep, the same levels of incompetence as the USA in ‘88 and all those times they’ve killed allied troops with “friendly” fire/bombing. Happens the world over unfortunately...... Technology has moved on in 32 years though hasn't it, and this wasn't a conflict with boots on the ground fighting each other either, you just can't throw that one in as if it's a comparison
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 9:56:54 GMT
Yep, the same levels of incompetence as the USA in ‘88 and all those times they’ve killed allied troops with “friendly” fire/bombing. Happens the world over unfortunately...... Technology has moved on in 32 years though hasn't it, and this wasn't a conflict with boots on the ground fighting each other eith, you just can't throw that one in as if it's a comparison The Americans didn’t blow up an Iranian plane with boots on the ground.....
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Post by Northy on Jan 14, 2020 9:14:13 GMT
Technology has moved on in 32 years though hasn't it, and this wasn't a conflict with boots on the ground fighting each other eith, you just can't throw that one in as if it's a comparison The Americans didn’t blow up an Iranian plane with boots on the ground..... No they didn't, but you mentioned friendly fire which is in a boots on the ground war
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Post by serpico on Jan 14, 2020 9:24:10 GMT
It’s still unclear what the Americans are actually trying to do in Iran, does trump want to negotiate with them or regime change them ? How long is this low level conflict going to go on for ? Surely something has to give soon.
Still no evidence forthcoming that Suliemani was planning imminent attacks on US interests.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 9:26:36 GMT
The Americans didn’t blow up an Iranian plane with boots on the ground..... No they didn't, but you mentioned friendly fire which is in a boots on the ground war A mistake is a mistake, some just have more catastrophic consequences than others.....
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