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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 27, 2019 0:43:42 GMT
I know we've had false dawns before but that's the 1st time we've come back to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat instead of the other way round in many a moon. Deservedly so too ! I hope that is a defining moment. That type of result and the way in which we got it does give players belief, which is what is missing at the moment. I think the last time we scored 2 in stoppage time we went on a 20+ game unbeaten run
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Post by bertiestan on Dec 27, 2019 2:56:04 GMT
It definitely should be, the manner in which we won was a big thing for me today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 8:15:55 GMT
Let’s get Sunday out of the way first. I can’t see any other result than a hiding for us. Please prove me wrong stoke
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Post by Goonie on Dec 27, 2019 8:23:53 GMT
A bit of self-belief creeping in plus a good window leading to a balanced side would leave me feeling confident of survival
MON has a hell of a lot of poor decisions to undo in terms of re recruitment
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Post by Godo on Dec 27, 2019 8:48:54 GMT
I'd love to think so but we've got a difficult run of games coming up and we still need to sign at least a decent left back asap.
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Post by stokesupporter on Dec 27, 2019 8:51:01 GMT
Yes - i predict comfortable survival and the storming of the championship next season We are in the Prem next season though, play offs here we came!
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Post by thestatusquo on Dec 27, 2019 9:29:26 GMT
It could be but only if we can sort the defence out
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Post by zerps on Dec 27, 2019 9:31:58 GMT
We seemed much keener to get the ball forward, instead of slowing play down to nothing then passing backwards. Especially from full back positions. We looked a threat doing this and just need to continue.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 27, 2019 9:33:28 GMT
Was a good win but definitely not just yet.
If we can back it up with one win the next two games that will be a good start.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 9:54:47 GMT
Biggest positive for me is that we've done that to a team in the top 6. If it was against Barnsley etc I'd be absolutely shitting myself regardless of the 3 points. Take it game by game now. Still a 4 point gap between 20th and 21st. 7 minutes before the final whistle, we were 5 points off 4th bottom! After that performance today, there is no way this battle is lost. So pleased for the team and manager. Great result for us all. COYMP! Yeh that table as it stood as we ticked in to stoppage time was so utterly deflating and was thinking that was really going to be it for us. But what a change that last 5 mins was.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2019 11:04:55 GMT
A real change would have been winning it 1 or 2 or even 3 nil like it should have been.
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Post by shipshape on Dec 27, 2019 11:36:12 GMT
A real change would have been winning it 1 or 2 or even 3 nil like it should have been. Always better to win to nil, but for once I'll let it slide. The manner of that win yesterday showed a level of bollocks I didn't think this squad had. Shawcross in dragging them along was immense. I've questioned his captaining skills many times but that, yesterday, was an exemplar of a captain's performance. Bravo Ryan.
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Post by Widget123 on Dec 27, 2019 11:43:16 GMT
It won’t be one result that halts a decline, it’ll be when we finally string together 3-5 games unbeaten. We need to stop looking at these games like lightning strikes that will change everything. What a fucking result though. You say that but if we'd lost I couldn't see any way back, we'd be mentally shot This exactly for me. Our team were on the verge of collapsing mentally before yesterday's game and this win will have reset that position at least for the short term. It's not going to define our season yet but it's a step in the direction we badly needed rather than accelerating the spiral we were in.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Dec 27, 2019 12:09:14 GMT
A mad 6 or 7 minutes. I went from dispare thinking we were bottom, 5 points from safety and definitely going down, to out of the bottom 3 and definitely staying up! 😊
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2019 12:40:32 GMT
A real change would have been winning it 1 or 2 or even 3 nil like it should have been. Always better to win to nil, but for once I'll let it slide. The manner of that win yesterday showed a level of bollocks I didn't think this squad had. Shawcross in dragging them along was immense. I've questioned his captaining skills many times but that, yesterday, was an exemplar of a captain's performance. Bravo Ryan. We did the same sort of thing against Wigan and it changed nothing really. Shawcross is the key obviously this time because he is our best player and he is and always been a bloody good leader.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 27, 2019 12:45:04 GMT
Way too early, but we have definitely started to turn the wheel in preparation for the apex. Long way to go but I am feeling more optimistic that our destiny will be in our own hands.
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Post by shipshape on Dec 27, 2019 12:51:28 GMT
Always better to win to nil, but for once I'll let it slide. The manner of that win yesterday showed a level of bollocks I didn't think this squad had. Shawcross in dragging them along was immense. I've questioned his captaining skills many times but that, yesterday, was an exemplar of a captain's performance. Bravo Ryan. We did the same sort of thing against Wigan and it changed nothing really. Shawcross is the key obviously this time because he is our best player and he is and always been a bloody good leader. We tossed away a deserved lead with fifteen minutes left and then retook it to win the game. Its a long time since we've done that - you need to score a minimum of three to pull it off. For me, that makes it better than Wigan (or Swansea). We are a long way from saying a corner has been turned however.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 27, 2019 12:55:41 GMT
Exciting game but the reaction is way over the top. Much of the game was identical to others of late - take the lead, don't cash in on an hour of dominance and let the opposition score 2 sloppy goals. The only difference was a mad extra time - and that isn't going to happen very often. Our decline will only halt when we take our chances and stop conceding daft goals - not by relying on last minute heroics,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2019 13:02:34 GMT
We did the same sort of thing against Wigan and it changed nothing really. Shawcross is the key obviously this time because he is our best player and he is and always been a bloody good leader. We tossed away a deserved lead with fifteen minutes left and then retook it to win the game. Its a long time since we've done that - you need to score a minimum of three to pull it off. For me, that makes it better than Wigan (or Swansea). We are a long way from saying a corner has been turned however. We did but we still tossed it away under little or no pressure from the opposition. That has to be a worry? The pulling it back was excellent and the mentals were out of this world but in the cold light of day if I was MON, Id be pretty furious with my players. And worrying about the striker situation.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 27, 2019 13:03:48 GMT
Exciting game but the reaction is way over the top. Much of the game was identical to others of late - take the lead, don't cash in on an hour of dominance and let the opposition score 2 sloppy goals. The only difference was a mad extra time - and that isn't going to happen very often. Our decline will only halt when we take our chances and stop conceding daft goals - not by relying on last minute heroics, I agree with all of that 100%. However, in terms of giving this lot a massive shot of confidence (which they desperately needed), the actual manner of yesterday's win might have provided that far more than a comfortable, straight forward 3-0 win, would have done. They've proved to the manager, the fans and (most importantly) themselves, that they actually have the character to come back from the death, when all was seemingly lost.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 27, 2019 13:06:13 GMT
We seemed much keener to get the ball forward, instead of slowing play down to nothing then passing backwards. Especially from full back positions. We looked a threat doing this and just need to continue. Exactly and I felt it was mainly down to Ryan shouting orders and continually trying to drive us forward constructively rather than just lumping it. I loved the way he tried to take a quick free kick while they were surrounding the ref complaining. Wasn't allowed to but I bet it made them think twice about doing that again.
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Post by shipshape on Dec 27, 2019 13:09:57 GMT
We tossed away a deserved lead with fifteen minutes left and then retook it to win the game. Its a long time since we've done that - you need to score a minimum of three to pull it off. For me, that makes it better than Wigan (or Swansea). We are a long way from saying a corner has been turned however. We did but we still tossed it away under little or no pressure from the opposition. That has to be a worry? The pulling it back was excellent and the mentals were out of this world but in the cold light of day if I was MON, Id be pretty furious with my players. And worrying about the striker situation. Of course its a worry. A very large one. But for the first time in literally years, after tossing countless leads away, we've managed to win. Even the best teams concede sloppy goals but they roll their sleeves up, don't feel sorry for themselves and fight back. That's what we did. And no that doesn't mean I think we're one of the best teams. But it is an attribute I thought we didn't possess. We need now to stop conceding so many of the sloppy goals.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2019 13:11:58 GMT
We did but we still tossed it away under little or no pressure from the opposition. That has to be a worry? The pulling it back was excellent and the mentals were out of this world but in the cold light of day if I was MON, Id be pretty furious with my players. And worrying about the striker situation. Of course its a worry. A very large one. But for the first time in literally years, after tossing countless leads away, we've managed to win. Even the best teams concede sloppy goals but they roll their sleeves up, don't feel sorry for themselves and fight back. That's what we did. And no that doesn't mean I think we're one of the best teams. But it is an attribute I thought we didn't possess. We need now to stop conceding so many of the sloppy goals. And like I’ve said I thought we did similar against Wigan but it changed sod all. This lot are an odd bunch and I don’t trust them one bit for this game to have made the blind bit of notice.
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Post by shipshape on Dec 27, 2019 13:19:09 GMT
Of course its a worry. A very large one. But for the first time in literally years, after tossing countless leads away, we've managed to win. Even the best teams concede sloppy goals but they roll their sleeves up, don't feel sorry for themselves and fight back. That's what we did. And no that doesn't mean I think we're one of the best teams. But it is an attribute I thought we didn't possess. We need now to stop conceding so many of the sloppy goals. And like I’ve said I thought we did similar against Wigan but it changed sod all. This lot are an odd bunch and I don’t trust them one bit for this game to have made the blind bit of notice. Similar to Wigan but better. And yeah, like I said myself, a long way from a corner being turned. However I'm more optimistic than I was at 445 yesterday and I intend to remain that way for now.
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 27, 2019 13:33:56 GMT
Harsh reality is, this game changed nothing, just as the other wins this season didn’t.
A great win nonetheless, but we mustn’t forget we are in dire straits, and the club is in a terrible situation. We were bottom on Christmas Day and statistics say we are going down. It’s up to the club and the players to confound that. One game doesn’t do it.
When we win five on the trot I’ll concede we have a chance.
Sorry, it’s just realism. We are among the worst teams in the entire league. I would argue THE worst.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 27, 2019 13:43:27 GMT
This is the first time this season that we have avoided losing two (or more) in a row. All of our defeats up to now have come in twos and threes and a four. I don’t know if that will resonate with the players, but it’s definitely a step forward and perhaps a sign that they are becoming a bit more resilient? Or perhaps it’s just a reflection of the fact that we’ve lost most of our games, so the chances of finding a solitary loss between a win and a draw is quite low anyway! LLDLLLLDLLWWLLLWWLLLWDLWCompare the last 9 games under MON to the first 9 under Jones and there has to be a sense of optimism.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 27, 2019 14:45:54 GMT
As I said to my Wife on our wedding night , one swallow doesn’t make a marriage 😎
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 27, 2019 14:49:16 GMT
Harsh reality is, this game changed nothing, just as the other wins this season didn’t. A great win nonetheless, but we mustn’t forget we are in dire straits, and the club is in a terrible situation. We were bottom on Christmas Day and statistics say we are going down. It’s up to the club and the players to confound that. One game doesn’t do it. When we win five on the trot I’ll concede we have a chance. Sorry, it’s just realism. We are among the worst teams in the entire league. I would argue THE worst. As nice as it would obviously be I cant see 5 wins on the spin. Hopefully I am wrong but either way I am starting to get a feeling MON will just about keep us safe. If Ryan and Mclean can stay fit MON has some foundations at last.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2019 14:52:49 GMT
Not sure if it’ll be the turning point or not but I know one thing...
That performance against Sheffield Wednesday sets the bench mark from now until the end of the season. We may lose a few more but I expect that level of performance every game, bare minimum, no excuses. Same desire, same passion, same energy, same never say die attitude. Anything less is unacceptable.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Dec 27, 2019 15:03:15 GMT
I know we've had false dawns before but that's the 1st time we've come back to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat instead of the other way round in many a moon. Deservedly so too ! No!
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