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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 20, 2019 22:13:46 GMT
I'm scratching my head. Honestly I don't think that was bad management tonight. First half we were boring but we kept it tight enough. After the break Mick got us going bolder and we quickly got the rewards. We looked like we were shaping to contain them again, there were routines visible - to be fair Boro showed real quality coming back at us - and our lads simply weren't good enough as a group to see it out. Bloody disappointing start to Christmas. I don't know if Mick's going to be able to instil enough confidence and strength into such a shambolic squad. He'd better be.
6 from me, bet I'll be highest score
add * if you were there pls
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Post by loosestools on Dec 20, 2019 22:15:59 GMT
Stop playing 1 up front and please melt Vokes. 4, and I was not insane enough to travel
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Post by wuzza on Dec 20, 2019 22:17:20 GMT
I struggle to even think about the game these days.
They all just morph into a mass of pointless incompetence and I can’t remember anything that happened.
I suppose he deserves 5 for turning up despite being poorly.
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Dec 20, 2019 22:20:30 GMT
5 from me I watched the live stream and Christ was it painful. That win at Barnsley seems light years away. Perhaps he should go back to Northern Ireland and try micro management of the squad it seemed to work last time.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 20, 2019 22:23:19 GMT
For playing that fucking show pony ince he gets a big fat zero.
For not taking the show pony off until 87 minutes he gets a big fat zero.
For bringing on Vokes when we needed diouf he gets a big fat zero
For not playing Gregory and Hogan together when theyve shown some understanding in the past he gets a big fat zero.
He has to take the blame for that performance.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 20, 2019 22:27:27 GMT
Another defeat.
0.
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Post by pavel on Dec 20, 2019 22:27:55 GMT
4 - wrong system with the wrong players, wrong subs and relying on “names” rather than trying something different. Cousins proved what a limited player he is tonight, he must play his best midfield regardless whether they are staying or not. Far to cautious, we looked good first half when they sat back but fell apart when they came at us. That should tell him all he needs to know but I can’t see him changing his approach.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 20, 2019 23:03:14 GMT
6*
It’s the players having no balls and Sam Vokes imitating a Christmas pudding.
I hope MON takes a flame thrower to that shower of shit.
Pathetic cowards
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 23:12:24 GMT
Is there any point rating the manager anymore?
The squad is absolutely terrible.
I doubt it would matter much if it was Jurgen klopp or some bloke from the pub in charge results wise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 23:25:50 GMT
2 not there
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Post by fca47 on Dec 20, 2019 23:33:26 GMT
Can't be arsed to mark him. But evident we have made yet another crap appointment.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 20, 2019 23:52:23 GMT
Alex Ferguson would have this squad 18th in the championship at best
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Post by barcaontrent on Dec 20, 2019 23:54:39 GMT
5/10
SAF couldn't get a tune out of these lot
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 21, 2019 0:03:22 GMT
He does seem a little bit suspicious of foreigners, maybe that's why he was appointed?
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 21, 2019 0:32:31 GMT
Where was the game management? Substitutions? Vokes to do what??? Terrible management throughout, and very little to be pleased about. 0 shots on target for the first half again.
So, rating? Has to be 2. Another 3 points to a very very poor team and out witted by .... Jonathan woodgate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 0:56:42 GMT
He’s not helping himself. Ok he’s inhereted shit but that starting 11 again was bastard awful.
A huge 0.
Wank stoke
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Post by mermaidsal on Dec 21, 2019 1:25:51 GMT
Alex Ferguson would have this squad 18th in the championship at best Fergie would be on trial for mass murder by now  |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 21, 2019 1:29:30 GMT
I’m not going to name names as it will become a bun fight of opinions. IMHO there are a maximum of 5/6 players within the squad that can actually say “I do my best” (Which may not be good enough) even when things don’t go right for them individually in a match
I’m normally quite placid after a game, try to fairly consider/evaluate the collective and individual performances (win/lose/draw) before commenting, a pragmatic view.
After tonight’s game I’m angry at the continued below par performances of a collective group who get handsomely paid to earn a living.
I’m still confident (perhaps mistakenly) that following the January window MON will take us to a point of “SURVIVAL”
The family and Scholes hang your heads in shame at the word SURVIVAL, fail once may be “tolerated” (if lessons are learned and acted upon) fail twice is inconceivable. It’s time to look in the mirror. Throwing petrol (money) onto a fire is no defence for disastrous decision making
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 2:39:44 GMT
Don’t get why we’re not starting Indi, Etebo, Badou and Diouf.
I don’t care if 3 of them are looking to be sold. Don’t be a yes man. Play them.
If he genuinely doesn’t believe they’re in our best XI then God help us.
His subs were cack too. Just sub Indi for Ward. Why piss about 2/3 players over one sub?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 21, 2019 9:10:33 GMT
He looks and sounds totally pissed off already and who can blame him
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 21, 2019 9:16:31 GMT
Jones > O'Neil
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 21, 2019 9:40:49 GMT
How can MON say that he doesn't have the right players for his system, but insist that he will keep playing it? How can he claim that we controlled the game in the first half when we created perhaps one chance?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 9:46:22 GMT
I can't rate a figure but he just doesn't seem to be learning. Gregory on his own against three giants was a masterstroke on a level I haven't seen since the Alan Ball days. Slapping lazy cross after lazy cross and expecting him to do something with it was just lunacy.
The end result was a half of ball dominance and nothing to show for it.
Second half and our only decent bit of football and movement yielded a goal.
The constant moaning about physicality and second balls whilst our two best players at that type of game are nowhere near the squad is grating to say the least.
Step up man and step up now.
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Post by pavel on Dec 21, 2019 9:56:57 GMT
Don’t get why we’re not starting Indi, Etebo, Badou and Diouf. I don’t care if 3 of them are looking to be sold. Don’t be a yes man. Play them. If he genuinely doesn’t believe they’re in our best XI then God help us. His subs were cack too. Just sub Indi for Ward. Why piss about 2/3 players over one sub? Can’t agree more, the ward sub was classic bad management, make something simple, complicated and the knock on effect was horrendous. Play your best team, drop the “names” that are not performing, bring some youth, pace and hunger into the side. Perhaps he thought the old guard would be a safe option to stabilise the club, he should now know, he should have realised earlier, that they are the problem. Change it or fail. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 9:58:08 GMT
We create next to nothing and the defence collapses under the slightest pressure and yet he persists with 4-3-3
Apart from the Barnsley match we've been just as poor as before he came.
He doesn't seem to be all that astute tactically which is a surprise and a disappointment.
His substitutions usually have a negative effect.
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Post by march4 on Dec 21, 2019 9:58:29 GMT
0 yet again.
This is a man so out of his depth he is at the bottom of the Mariana Trench with a shovel digging even deeper.
This is a full blown crisis.
When the Sky commentator was talking about Woodgate’s experience and then made a joke about O’Neill’s experience at Brechin and Shamrock Rovers the entire footballing world is laughing at us.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 21, 2019 10:50:36 GMT
Don’t get why we’re not starting Indi, Etebo, Badou and Diouf. I don’t care if 3 of them are looking to be sold. Don’t be a yes man. Play them. If he genuinely doesn’t believe they’re in our best XI then God help us. His subs were cack too. Just sub Indi for Ward. Why piss about 2/3 players over one sub? Can’t agree more, the ward sub was classic bad management, make something simple, complicated and the knock on effect was horrendous. Play your best team, drop the “names” that are not performing, bring some youth, pace and hunger into the side. Perhaps he thought the old guard would be a safe option to stabilise the club, he should now know, he should have realised earlier, that they are the problem. Change it or fail. Both spot on but it’s why the process selected him |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 11:03:07 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Dec 21, 2019 11:24:18 GMT
At least we had some sort of passion from the players playing for Jones even though we were shit, now we are shit with no passion at all. We look more like a team going down now than we did when Jones was manager. Don't get wrong Jones last couple of games weren't good but there were spells where we looked like a mid to top of the league team. Now we look a bottom 3 team and cowardly and going down with a whimper. This window will have to be good because i am just not convinced by O'Neil and i am a fairly positive person normally. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 11:27:18 GMT
At least we had some sort of passion from the players playing for Jones even though we were shit, now we are shit with no passion at all. We look more like a team going down now than we did when Jones was manager. Don't get wrong Jones last couple of games weren't good but there were spells where we looked like a mid to top of the league team. Now we look a bottom 3 team and cowardly and going down with a whimper. This window will have to be good because i am just not convinced by O'Neil and i am a fairly positive person normally. We have looked the exact same for about 4 years now. The start we had under Jones is what will relegate us. The stats from previous seasons show that. And no we didn’t. We looked terrible under Jones from start to finish. We were relegated in September. |
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