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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 18, 2019 10:22:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 10:24:44 GMT
One thing this does show on a positive note (if you can call it positive) is that at least we had the mechanisms in place to ensure that a lot of our big earners had their wages cut after relegation. Clubs such as Newcastle and Villa in the past were lumbered with players still on £90/100k a week, imagine the carnage now if that was the case. The next reduction in wages will probably shave another £10/20m off, the reality of the situation is that O'Neill (or whoever follows) needs to start picking up some gems on the cheap......
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 18, 2019 10:26:41 GMT
Only an OPTION to buy
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2019 10:32:12 GMT
Only an OPTION to buy We haven't learnt a single thing.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 18, 2019 10:37:20 GMT
"Trabzonspor are close to signing Ndiaye on loan for the season with a view to a permanent deal next summer, with Stoke keen to get his £35,000-a-week wages off the book. It is understood Ndiaye, signed when Stoke were in the Premier League, could fly out to Turkey to complete his move in the next 48 hours" "England goalkeeper Jack Butland and Wales international Joe Allen could leave in the new year if acceptable offers are received, while fringe players including Peter Etebo, Nick Powell and Bruno Martins Indi may also be made available" GOOD !! …...NEXT LOT ……..
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Post by lordb on Dec 18, 2019 10:46:46 GMT
Don't understand the rush. This loan could have been done at the end of the January window if we hadn't found a buyer by then. At that point Tranzonspor paying all/some of his wages may have made some financial sense. Badou is possibly our most saleble player. Given he had shown some good form when he played good chance we would have got bids.
Even if they paying 100% of his wages and even if we got a decent loan fee (£1m?) doing it now doesn't make sense.
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 18, 2019 10:46:50 GMT
I said 168 times on here in the last 10 weeks than no one would buy Badou and the only hope was a loan to a Turkish club without 2 coins to rub together for a permanent transfer fee. I'm sure it was only 167!
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 18, 2019 10:48:42 GMT
Don't understand the rush. This loan could have been done at the end of the January window if we hadn't found a buyer by then. At that point Tranzonspor paying all/some of his wages may have made some financial sense. Badou is possibly our most saleble player. Given he had shown some good form when he played good chance we would have got bids. Even if they paying 100% of his wages and even if we got a decent loan fee (£1m?) doing it now doesn't make sense. Could understand it if there was an obligation to buy. But, as it is, it'll almost certainly end in a non-sale again. And all this to save, what, £750k in wages and lose our best player in our relegation fight?
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 18, 2019 10:50:02 GMT
Only an OPTION to buy We haven't learnt a single thing. Are you questioning "the process"?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:02:37 GMT
Don't understand the rush. This loan could have been done at the end of the January window if we hadn't found a buyer by then. At that point Tranzonspor paying all/some of his wages may have made some financial sense. Badou is possibly our most saleble player. Given he had shown some good form when he played good chance we would have got bids. Even if they paying 100% of his wages and even if we got a decent loan fee (£1m?) doing it now doesn't make sense. Could understand it if there was an obligation to buy. But, as it is, it'll almost certainly end in a non-sale again. And all this to save, what, £750k in wages and lose our best player in our relegation fight? Is he our best player though FM? I think he could be but after 3/4 really good games I actually thought he was pretty average thereafter....
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 18, 2019 11:10:37 GMT
I actually agree with many, on the face of it he's a top player at this level, yet when you look more closely he's not a very good passer, runs around alot but what does he actually contribute. When you actually look deeper, his contribution as a DM aren't much different to Cousins in the last 2 games?
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 18, 2019 11:12:25 GMT
Could understand it if there was an obligation to buy. But, as it is, it'll almost certainly end in a non-sale again. And all this to save, what, £750k in wages and lose our best player in our relegation fight? Is he our best player though FM? I think he could be but after 3/4 really good games I actually thought he was pretty average thereafter.... Potentially I think he is - and he's offered more than most. I can see why we're willing to get rid of the handful of assets we've got - him, Etebo, Allen, Butland It's as clear as mud whether MON actually rates the players he's exiling, or whether selection is being driven by something else. If he genuinely doesn't think Etebo and Ndiaye get in our best XI, that would concern me Either way, losing the option of Ndiaye for the sake of less than £1m with the probability of him being back here next June seems a bit desperate - but maybe we are now that desperate. Admittedly the unknown is their attitude around the training ground and how much shit is being stirred by their agent who seems to be some kind of puppet master. But wouldn't have thought Gregory was a problem - and he's in exile too
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 18, 2019 11:25:00 GMT
We haven't learnt a single thing. Are you questioning "the process"? He thinks he's Winston Smith! Despite what a lot think, the loss of N'Diaye, Etebo, Butland and Allen really shows where we are now. We can only hope O'Neill's super scout has something lined up!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:28:43 GMT
With every news story that comes out about Stoke City I want to support them less and less. Asset stripping time.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 18, 2019 11:35:06 GMT
Only an OPTION to buy We haven't learnt a single thing. The club is a laughing stock. The slimy Turks never have any intention to buy...just always after a tight fisted underpriced deal. Whilst we have the fuckwits we do running the club we will continue to get shafted. Club is a bloody joke.
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Post by robrigo on Dec 18, 2019 11:39:02 GMT
Our owners and our chief executive have ruined this football club in four years. I now blame them entirely for this utter shitstorm the club is in.
What a damm shame.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 18, 2019 11:40:08 GMT
I don’t think this is anything other than a clear recognition that we have to comply by the rules or leave ourselves open to another disaster next season. Given the choice the owners wouldn’t get shot but thems the rules. Today’s figures show that in the big picture they absolutely don’t need any sort of revenue from SCFC for their own personal purposes. With regard N’Daiye the ‘option to buy’ deal is probably the best we can muster - as has been pointed out on this thread he has done well in a few games but he isn’t a world beater and PL clubs are clearly not knocking the door in their rush to sign him.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 18, 2019 11:41:40 GMT
We haven't learnt a single thing. The club is a laughing stock. The slimy Turks never have any intention to buy...just always after a tight fisted underpriced deal. Whilst we have the fuckwits we do running the club we will continue to get shafted. Club is a bloody joke. Has anyone offered the club a better deal for him - ie. lots of hard cash. If they have then yes the deal would be madness - if they haven’t it’s the best the club can do in the circumstances.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2019 11:52:35 GMT
I wonder if O’Neill knew all this when he took over🤔
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2019 11:53:48 GMT
I don’t think this is anything other than a clear recognition that we have to comply by the rules or leave ourselves open to another disaster next season. Given the choice the owners wouldn’t get shot but thems the rules. Today’s figures show that in the big picture they absolutely don’t need any sort of revenue from SCFC for their own personal purposes. With regard N’Daiye the ‘option to buy’ deal is probably the best we can muster - as has been pointed out on this thread he has done well in a few games but he isn’t a world beater and PL clubs are clearly not knocking the door in their rush to sign him. And to think we had posters on here saying FFP wouldn’t affect us🙄
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Post by jeycov on Dec 18, 2019 11:57:38 GMT
We haven't learnt a single thing. The club is a laughing stock. The slimy Turks never have any intention to buy...just always after a tight fisted underpriced deal. Whilst we have the fuckwits we do running the club we will continue to get shafted. Club is a bloody joke. We should add in a clause saying they have to buy him if he plays x amount of games?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 11:59:41 GMT
Every big money signing we've made in the past 4 years has been an unmitigated disaster with the exception of Shaqiri
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2019 11:59:49 GMT
I don’t think this is anything other than a clear recognition that we have to comply by the rules or leave ourselves open to another disaster next season. Given the choice the owners wouldn’t get shot but thems the rules. Today’s figures show that in the big picture they absolutely don’t need any sort of revenue from SCFC for their own personal purposes. With regard N’Daiye the ‘option to buy’ deal is probably the best we can muster - as has been pointed out on this thread he has done well in a few games but he isn’t a world beater and PL clubs are clearly not knocking the door in their rush to sign him. And to think we had posters on here saying FFP wouldn’t affect us🙄 I don't think it overly will, will it? Not past what we expected? We knew we would need to sell players. The wage bill is down significantly already. FFP wise we're ok with some player sales. Which tbh should have been done on relegation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 12:02:01 GMT
The club is a laughing stock. The slimy Turks never have any intention to buy...just always after a tight fisted underpriced deal. Whilst we have the fuckwits we do running the club we will continue to get shafted. Club is a bloody joke. We should add in a clause saying they have to buy him if he plays x amount of games? And then he'll play 1 less game so as not to trigger the clause. After every loan he gets that little bit older and that little bit less sought after until his contract is up, that's the way this is going
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2019 12:05:49 GMT
And to think we had posters on here saying FFP wouldn’t affect us🙄 I don't think it overly will, will it? Not past what we expected? We knew we would need to sell players. The wage bill is down significantly already. FFP wise we're ok with some player sales. Which tbh should have been done on relegation. £39 million in 3 seasons🤔touch and go I’d say
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2019 12:11:15 GMT
I don't think it overly will, will it? Not past what we expected? We knew we would need to sell players. The wage bill is down significantly already. FFP wise we're ok with some player sales. Which tbh should have been done on relegation. £39 million in 3 seasons🤔touch and go I’d say It shouldn't be though. We should have sold Butland and Allen when were relegated. We didn't obvioulsy but we should be able to get the funds in to plug the gaps. And again, for me we always needed to do that.
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Post by lordb on Dec 18, 2019 12:18:01 GMT
£39 million in 3 seasons🤔touch and go I’d say It shouldn't be though. We should have sold Butland and Allen when were relegated. We didn't obvioulsy but we should be able to get the funds in to plug the gaps. And again, for me we always needed to do that. did we have any offers at that time for them?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 18, 2019 12:19:09 GMT
£39 million in 3 seasons🤔touch and go I’d say It shouldn't be though. We should have sold Butland and Allen when were relegated. We didn't obvioulsy but we should be able to get the funds in to plug the gaps. And again, for me we always needed to do that. The expectation of an instant return to the premier league was the big issue for me and the hierarchy did nothing to dampen it knowing how much of a grind the championship is
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Post by wuzza on Dec 18, 2019 12:20:30 GMT
I don’t think this is anything other than a clear recognition that we have to comply by the rules or leave ourselves open to another disaster next season. Given the choice the owners wouldn’t get shot but thems the rules. Today’s figures show that in the big picture they absolutely don’t need any sort of revenue from SCFC for their own personal purposes. With regard N’Daiye the ‘option to buy’ deal is probably the best we can muster - as has been pointed out on this thread he has done well in a few games but he isn’t a world beater and PL clubs are clearly not knocking the door in their rush to sign him. And to think we had posters on here saying FFP wouldn’t affect us🙄 The ‘Fair Play’ aspect of that system is a complete contradiction to what it actually is (a means on ensuring the so called top clubs retain their position). However as is its there it undoubtedly screws us over big style and the prospect of starting next season with a 15 point deficit in League 1 is not overly attractive !!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 18, 2019 12:22:32 GMT
It shouldn't be though. We should have sold Butland and Allen when were relegated. We didn't obvioulsy but we should be able to get the funds in to plug the gaps. And again, for me we always needed to do that. The expectation of an instant return to the premier league was the big issue for me and the hierarchy did nothing to dampen it knowing how much of a grind the championship is They've just shown arrogance and the laziness that got us into this mess throughout. It was clear we need an overhaul, starting with Scholes and then down. We didn't do a thing.
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