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Post by dudnostokie on Dec 14, 2019 17:16:49 GMT
Thought I'd get a positive thread going, to counteract the predictable negative bile that will inevitably be spewed on here tonight by the usual suspects.
Cousins - Another strong performance and didn't put a foot wrong again, got man of the match. The position should be his to lose from here-on out, and means we can focus more money on the positions we need to build upon.
Ince - He's put a lot more effort in his performances these last two games in terms of the defensive side of his game, I hope he keeps it up. Although not a lot worked out for him tonight, I thought he made some positive runs, and came close with two of his chances (perhaps should have done better for the second).
O'Neill - Although the game was scatty, he noticed where we were lacking at half time and subbed Edwards (deservedly), Smith looked a lot better going forward. This shows me that he is making tweaks, and has the ability to see where things are going wrong, which has been a huge problem with his predecessors. He went absolutely apeshit when Ward turned backwards at the end, he's obviously not happy with how negative we were and I think (hope) he'll be giving some players a right kick up the arse.
A valuable point and another clean sheet - Yes we should have gone for the win, perhaps the sub of Hogan instead of Diouf was incorrect in hindsight, but it's another point on the board where the teams around us have gained none (bar Barnsley). Deep down I think any Stokie would have taken our tally so far at the beginning of MON's appointment.
With the January transfer window coming, I think MON will bring some players back from loan, and hopefully ship a few out (Badou and Etebo), meaning we can invest in places where we need improving. I thought Lindsay and Baath did ok, but we have Cap to come back, and that can only be a positive.
Overall, we really needed to steady the ship before the transfer window opens, we've done that, and we've also got some valuable points on the board. I believe if we carry on, we'll survive this season.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 14, 2019 17:20:10 GMT
I agree, why people think we are suddenly going to turn into Brazil with the same under performing players is beyond me. We are very mediocre at best. There weren't any very good performances today, but there weren't any bad ones. we look much better balanced and compact. get to January & twist and let's see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:23:03 GMT
All other results were ok (Barnsley aside) meaning there’s still 3/4 teams in immediate touching distance.
Another clean sheet.
Baby steps......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:31:40 GMT
Any team that remotely knows how to organise a defense we look absolutely lost.
We scored 3 goals against Luton because quite frankly they gifted us them.
Today we had a team that try hard, but lack any ability, confidence or intelligence to move the ball forward with any accuracy, urgency and general quality.
We have an attacking throw and their backs are facing the thrower.
With regards to Stoke we have the 2 main problems that causes relegation.
1) a team with zero confidence 2) a team that lacks any actual quality
If you only have one of them you have a chance of staying up, have both and you got bob hope.
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Dec 14, 2019 17:32:34 GMT
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Post by warringtonstokie on Dec 14, 2019 17:32:34 GMT
Not sure how O’Neill can be a positive. Picked the wrong team AGAIN and didn’t change the system at all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:32:49 GMT
Any team that remotely knows how to organise a defense we look absolutely lost. We scored 3 goals against Luton because quite frankly they gifted us them. Today we had a team that try hard, but lack any ability, confidence or intelligence to move the ball forward with any accuracy, urgency and general quality. We have an attacking throw and their backs are facing the thrower. With regards to Stoke we have the 2 main problems that causes relegation. 1) a team with zero confidence 2) a team that lacks any actual quality If you only have one of them you have a chance of staying up, have both and you got bob hope. Agree with all of that, but in tight games you need your ÂŁ10m+ winger to put a sitter away from the penalty spot....
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 14, 2019 17:33:09 GMT
I’m on a promise tonight 👍❤️
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:33:26 GMT
I agree, why people think we are suddenly going to turn into Brazil with the same under performing players is beyond me. We are very mediocre at best. There weren't any very good performances today, but there weren't any bad ones. we look much better balanced and compact. get to January & twist and let's see what happens. No bad ones? We took Edwards off because he was dreadful and Vokes may as well not bothered turning up.
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Post by dudnostokie on Dec 14, 2019 17:34:04 GMT
Not sure how O’Neill can be a positive. Picked the wrong team AGAIN and didn’t change the system at all. Why would he change the team and system after a good win on Tuesday?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:34:58 GMT
Any team that remotely knows how to organise a defense we look absolutely lost. We scored 3 goals against Luton because quite frankly they gifted us them. Today we had a team that try hard, but lack any ability, confidence or intelligence to move the ball forward with any accuracy, urgency and general quality. We have an attacking throw and their backs are facing the thrower. With regards to Stoke we have the 2 main problems that causes relegation. 1) a team with zero confidence 2) a team that lacks any actual quality If you only have one of them you have a chance of staying up, have both and you got bob hope. Agree with all of that, but in right games you need your £10m+ winger to put a sitter away from the penalty spot.... Don’t get me started, 5 yards inside the box, under no pressure, somehow hits it wide by trying to be too cute. Put ya foot through it, their keeper wouldn’t exactly have been warmed up for it.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 14, 2019 17:35:25 GMT
Jones would have loved to get two clean sheets on the trot - and we'd have been higher up the table if he had managed it.
MON deserves credit for subbing Edwards at half time - he has deffo developed a fear of passing forward.
MON loses a point for not bringing Diouf on for Vokes. OK we all know Diouf's first touch isn't the best but a lack of pace up front hampered us all afternoon. I really can't see any logic in not bringing Diouf on early in the second half.
As the OP says, dm is Cousins for as long as he maintains this form and once again I thought Allen benefited by having Cousins in the midfield.
Let's hope we can shift some of the dead wood in January - if we don't, decent additions are going to be few and far between.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Dec 14, 2019 17:35:56 GMT
Not sure how O’Neill can be a positive. Picked the wrong team AGAIN and didn’t change the system at all. Why would he change the team and system after a good win on Tuesday? We beat one of it not the worst team in the league. The system didn’t work when we lost the previous games and he persisted. Playing with one isolated striker is not the answer. And by changing the system I mean in game, when it doesn’t work, change it and he didn’t.
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Post by harlequin on Dec 14, 2019 17:39:50 GMT
MON is overall doing a very good job. However, there was a way to win that today and it's just frustrating we didn't come close to finding it. Ince missed a few shots but if we have some patience with him and he keeps getting into those positions, he'll score. I thought the team as a defensive unit did fine and it didn't ever look like a silly mistake was coming.
As others have said, it would likely have been a loss under Jones team.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 17:43:42 GMT
Yes there were positives in that it was so bad the manager has a clearer idea of what he needs when the window opens.
It felt like a start of season August match. At least the first few foundation bricks have been laid, shame we did not get draws against Swansea and Blackburn then O'Neil would be floating.
Im looking forward to Boxing Day now lets hope the players are up for it.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 14, 2019 17:45:32 GMT
Any team that remotely knows how to organise a defense we look absolutely lost. We scored 3 goals against Luton because quite frankly they gifted us them. Today we had a team that try hard, but lack any ability, confidence or intelligence to move the ball forward with any accuracy, urgency and general quality. We have an attacking throw and their backs are facing the thrower. With regards to Stoke we have the 2 main problems that causes relegation. 1) a team with zero confidence 2) a team that lacks any actual quality If you only have one of them you have a chance of staying up, have both and you got bob hope. Agree with all of that, but in right games you need your £10m+ winger to put a sitter away from the penalty spot.... No body expects Ince to score. He’s got a pitching wedge for a left foot and a putter for a right foot. But he does run now, so his general uselessness is forgiven.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 14, 2019 17:48:19 GMT
The big positive is it’s over and I’m in the pub now.
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Post by dudnostokie on Dec 14, 2019 17:54:48 GMT
Why would he change the team and system after a good win on Tuesday? We beat one of it not the worst team in the league. The system didn’t work when we lost the previous games and he persisted. Playing with one isolated striker is not the answer. And by changing the system I mean in game, when it doesn’t work, change it and he didn’t. I disagree, the system that he has used suits our players the best. We only have the players to play a 4-3-3. He's used this system for practically every game so far winning 3 and losing 3. We won midweek scoring 3 goals, and keeping a clean sheet. A change of system would have meant dropping Allen (who scored 2 last week), Clucas (our top scorer), or Cousins (our man of the match). What system would you have changed to mid-game? The only wrong decision I think MON made was subbing Hogan on instead of Diouf.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 14, 2019 18:21:44 GMT
I’m on a promise tonight 👍❤️ Tingles did look busy mate as I came past.
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Post by neilb987 on Dec 14, 2019 18:40:05 GMT
This may have been pretty dire .... but a couple of months ago this would have been the sort of game we would have conceded the only goal in the last five minutes.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 14, 2019 19:10:20 GMT
No positives for me if we are to stay up we have to beat teams who are down there with us. A home game to a relegation rival & we go one up front not good enough. Next 2 games will see us really put to the test if we manage one point from Middlebrough away & Sheff wednesday at home i will be amazed. Things look very poor as we approach the mid season point & the trap door is slowly opening.
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Post by emery1985 on Dec 14, 2019 19:38:29 GMT
Clean sheet.
Its saturday.
Might get a curry later
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Post by walton corner on Dec 14, 2019 19:50:30 GMT
We beat one of it not the worst team in the league. The system didn’t work when we lost the previous games and he persisted. Playing with one isolated striker is not the answer. And by changing the system I mean in game, when it doesn’t work, change it and he didn’t. I disagree, the system that he has used suits our players the best. We only have the players to play a 4-3-3. He's used this system for practically every game so far winning 3 and losing 3. We won midweek scoring 3 goals, and keeping a clean sheet. A change of system would have meant dropping Allen (who scored 2 last week), Clucas (our top scorer), or Cousins (our man of the match). What system would you have changed to mid-game? The only wrong decision I think MON made was subbing Hogan on instead of Diouf. ..it’s not 433 ...it’s 451 ffs ....negative shit ....most players have played 3 games in a week ..MOM should have freshened up team in second half ...with likes of diouf Powell in the hour mark ...but put hogan on for vokes and didn’t change formation to suit it
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 14, 2019 19:51:39 GMT
Positives? Cousins was solid again and Joe Allen did all he could to get the team going. I also thought that Baath had a decent game, winning pretty well everything in the air.
I don't agree that 4-3-3 suits our players because none of the front three are right for it.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 14, 2019 20:05:47 GMT
Any team that remotely knows how to organise a defense we look absolutely lost. We scored 3 goals against Luton because quite frankly they gifted us them. Today we had a team that try hard, but lack any ability, confidence or intelligence to move the ball forward with any accuracy, urgency and general quality. We have an attacking throw and their backs are facing the thrower. With regards to Stoke we have the 2 main problems that causes relegation. 1) a team with zero confidence 2) a team that lacks any actual quality If you only have one of them you have a chance of staying up, have both and you got bob hope. This is the positive thread! go back to the other 32,641 threads!
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 14, 2019 20:07:37 GMT
Why would he change the team and system after a good win on Tuesday? We beat one of it not the worst team in the league. The system didn’t work when we lost the previous games and he persisted. Playing with one isolated striker is not the answer. And by changing the system I mean in game, when it doesn’t work, change it and he didn’t. Aren't you the same bloke that was complaining about NJ changing too much, even though the system wasn't working?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2019 20:08:52 GMT
The manager was awful today.
The first two subs were wastes of a sub and changed sod all.
Powell needed to come on after 60 minutes at least.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 14, 2019 20:09:45 GMT
Difficult to find positives, but at least 1. The defense may draw confidence from 2 successive clean sheets for the first time this season. 2. MON's grasp of what needs to be done in January grows by leaps and bounds.
We are desperately devoid of creativity. Edward's got the chop for negativity but the positivity of Allen, Ince (for a change), and McClean is worthless without end product. Do these guys do any shooting practice?
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 14, 2019 20:17:22 GMT
Sorry to be negative but....2 points lost and Ince was not a positive. Ince puts himself in positions where he is not an option and can’t wait to get rid of the ball quick enough. Should’ve been hooked at half time with Edwards.
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Post by towraytek on Dec 14, 2019 20:18:48 GMT
OK, having watched that match, I don't feel overwhelmingly positive but on the other hand I don't feel as pissed off as I have been many a Saturday night this last two years. Two clean sheets and four points from six could be a little glimpse of better things. Middlesborough and Wednesday are huge fixtures. It's either a flash in the pan or it isn't. Too early to say.
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Post by neddy on Dec 14, 2019 20:24:34 GMT
Back in Worcester for 7pm!
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