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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2019 22:41:40 GMT
Reminds me of my Auntie years ago, went abroad without a passport, she says "well I'm English and I was a nurse in the Royal Navy so I didn't think I needed one" I suppose she came back through France without any issues. Who does the gateway to benefits
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 23:22:29 GMT
"Town full of Tories!" When Reading sing this tomorrow what will be your respnse? We are a city full of proles "In 1984, Orwell describes Oceania's society as divided into three distinct classes: the Inner Party, the Outer Party, and the proles (with their own upper, middle and lower classes). The proles constitute 85% of the population; they receive little education, work at manual labor, live in poverty (although in having privacy and anonymity, qualitatively better off than Outer Party members), and usually die by the age of sixty. As the Party slogan put it: 'Proles and animals are free.' Inner and Outer Party members are under constant telescreen surveillance in both private and public; by contrast, proles' quarters are generally free of telescreens as the Party does not care to observe them. Their functions are simple: work and breed. Proles are described as caring little about anything but home and family, neighbour quarrels, films, football, beer, lottery tickets, and other such bread and circuses. They are not required to express support for the Party beyond occasional, mild patriotic fervor; the Party creates meaningless entertainment, songs, novels and even pornography for the proles—all written by machines. Julia is a mechanic tending the novel-writing machines in Pornosec. Proles do not wear uniforms, may use cosmetics, have a relatively free internal market economy, and would be even permitted religion if they had interest in it. Proles also have liberal sex lives, uninterrupted by the Party; divorce and prostitution are permitted. Despite these personal freedoms, the Thought Police plant agents among the proles to spread false rumors and eliminate any individuals deemed capable of causing trouble. Prole quarters consist of rundown Victorian houses, shops and pubs. Though trade between Outer Party members and proles is nominally prohibited, all Party members participate anyway, as prole shops are often the only source for certain minor necessities (the novel mentions shoelaces and razor blades as examples). From a certain viewpoint, Proles are regarded as the "true" free individuals of the State, as they are uninterrupted by the Party's propaganda or its surveillance, kept in check by certain pleasures to maintain their docile behavior without fear of being eliminated. They also maintain Oldspeak (traditional English) unlike the Party members who use Newspeak; the Party does not bother to craft a new language for them as long as they do not use any words that are considered prohibited by Newspeak.
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Dec 17, 2019 6:05:38 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 17, 2019 6:56:55 GMT
"Town full of Tories!" When Reading sing this tomorrow what will be your respnse? We are a city full of proles "In 1984, Orwell describes Oceania's society as divided into three distinct classes: the Inner Party, the Outer Party, and the proles (with their own upper, middle and lower classes). The proles constitute 85% of the population; they receive little education, work at manual labor, live in poverty (although in having privacy and anonymity, qualitatively better off than Outer Party members), and usually die by the age of sixty. As the Party slogan put it: 'Proles and animals are free.' Inner and Outer Party members are under constant telescreen surveillance in both private and public; by contrast, proles' quarters are generally free of telescreens as the Party does not care to observe them. Their functions are simple: work and breed. Proles are described as caring little about anything but home and family, neighbour quarrels, films, football, beer, lottery tickets, and other such bread and circuses. They are not required to express support for the Party beyond occasional, mild patriotic fervor; the Party creates meaningless entertainment, songs, novels and even pornography for the proles—all written by machines. Julia is a mechanic tending the novel-writing machines in Pornosec. Proles do not wear uniforms, may use cosmetics, have a relatively free internal market economy, and would be even permitted religion if they had interest in it. Proles also have liberal sex lives, uninterrupted by the Party; divorce and prostitution are permitted. Despite these personal freedoms, the Thought Police plant agents among the proles to spread false rumors and eliminate any individuals deemed capable of causing trouble. Prole quarters consist of rundown Victorian houses, shops and pubs. Though trade between Outer Party members and proles is nominally prohibited, all Party members participate anyway, as prole shops are often the only source for certain minor necessities (the novel mentions shoelaces and razor blades as examples). From a certain viewpoint, Proles are regarded as the "true" free individuals of the State, as they are uninterrupted by the Party's propaganda or its surveillance, kept in check by certain pleasures to maintain their docile behavior without fear of being eliminated. They also maintain Oldspeak (traditional English) unlike the Party members who use Newspeak; the Party does not bother to craft a new language for them as long as they do not use any words that are considered prohibited by Newspeak. Newspeak. Double, Double Good...
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Post by maxplonk on Dec 17, 2019 7:01:11 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 10:09:04 GMT
1. Just because they have bid for it, doesn't mean they get it. 2. It is UK tax payers money. The UK is a £8 billion pa net contributor to the EU, which is expected to rise over £10 billion pa if we stayed in. There are a few other significant net contributors to the EU like Germany, France, Italy, and The Netherlands, but most countries are net beneficiaries. Germany and the Netherlands enjoy huge positive trade balances with the rest of the EU, whereas the UK has a massive trade deficit of over £60 billion pa, the biggest chunk of which is with Germany (> £20 billion pa). During the membership of the EU in 1973, the UK has contributed approximately half a trillion £. Would that had been spent at home? Spain is now is budget balance with the EU, which effectively means it does not pay anything for the running of the EU. Historically Spain had been a net beneficiary of the EU till the east European states joined. In the 1970s and 80s. Spain's financial benefit from the EU was roughly equal to the UK's net contribution. In effect that means the UK paid for the rebuilding of Spain's infrastructure (roads, rail, airports, railways, etc.) since the demise of Franco. With the UK leaving and the EU losing the UK net contribution how are the other countries populations going to react to being bigger net contributors other having their benefit cut? I know it will not go down well in The Netherlands and Italy. Stoke-On-Trent gets practically everything it pays into the EU back as its an impoverished area.Some areas get nothing back.Now we just get nothing but Johnsons promises ,its devastating for the area.
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 17, 2019 10:10:55 GMT
1. Just because they have bid for it, doesn't mean they get it. 2. It is UK tax payers money. The UK is a £8 billion pa net contributor to the EU, which is expected to rise over £10 billion pa if we stayed in. There are a few other significant net contributors to the EU like Germany, France, Italy, and The Netherlands, but most countries are net beneficiaries. Germany and the Netherlands enjoy huge positive trade balances with the rest of the EU, whereas the UK has a massive trade deficit of over £60 billion pa, the biggest chunk of which is with Germany (> £20 billion pa). During the membership of the EU in 1973, the UK has contributed approximately half a trillion £. Would that had been spent at home? Spain is now is budget balance with the EU, which effectively means it does not pay anything for the running of the EU. Historically Spain had been a net beneficiary of the EU till the east European states joined. In the 1970s and 80s. Spain's financial benefit from the EU was roughly equal to the UK's net contribution. In effect that means the UK paid for the rebuilding of Spain's infrastructure (roads, rail, airports, railways, etc.) since the demise of Franco. With the UK leaving and the EU losing the UK net contribution how are the other countries populations going to react to being bigger net contributors other having their benefit cut? I know it will not go down well in The Netherlands and Italy. Stoke-On-Trent gets practically everything it pays into the EU back as its an impoverished area.Some areas get nothing back.Now we just get nothing but Johnsons promises ,its devastating for the area. And yet it's still a shithole you left...
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 10:18:32 GMT
Stoke-On-Trent gets practically everything it pays into the EU back as its an impoverished area.Some areas get nothing back.Now we just get nothing but Johnsons promises ,its devastating for the area. And yet it's still a shithole you left... I didnt leave because it was a shit hole,and imagine what it would be like if we hadnt had the EU grants,I shudder to think.
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 17, 2019 10:23:05 GMT
And yet it's still a shithole you left... I didnt leave because it was a shit hole,and imagine what it would be like if we hadnt had the EU grants,I shudder to think. So maybe a change might work 🤷♂️
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 10:25:32 GMT
I didnt leave because it was a shit hole,and imagine what it would be like if we hadnt had the EU grants,I shudder to think. So maybe a change might work 🤷♂️ As in you expect the government to match the EU or even increase the grants for the city?
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 17, 2019 10:39:54 GMT
So maybe a change might work 🤷♂️ As in you expect the government to match the EU or even increase the grants for the city? As in even with the EU it's still a shithole I'm anticipating it getting better I assume you worse but in reality neither of us know so let's wait and see.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2019 11:06:46 GMT
And yet it's still a shithole you left... I didnt leave because it was a shit hole,and imagine what it would be like if we hadnt had the EU grants,I shudder to think. We you have done nothing but slag Stoke-on-Trent off, why does it bother you so much you are a bad loser the ordinary working class people of the City handed Labour it's arse on a plate, those people live in Stoke-on-Trent who the fuck do you think you are to question how those people vote, now stop crying and accept defeat again Brexit is going to happen get over it duck.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 17, 2019 11:25:49 GMT
I didnt leave because it was a shit hole,and imagine what it would be like if we hadnt had the EU grants,I shudder to think. We you have done nothing but slag Stoke-on-Trent off, why does it bother you so much you are a bad loser the ordinary working class people of the City handed Labour it's arse on a plate, those people live in Stoke-on-Trent who the fuck do you think you are to question how those people vote, now stop crying and accept defeat again Brexit is going to happen get over it duck.
Perhaps it's because we have a base level of human decency and don't want to see the area we grew up in decimated even further and our friends and loved ones bear the brunt? The debate doesn't end once an election has been lost you know...
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 17, 2019 11:28:53 GMT
So just for clarification because people disagree with you you wish them harm correct? I thought you cared for the poor?????????
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2019 11:33:52 GMT
We you have done nothing but slag Stoke-on-Trent off, why does it bother you so much you are a bad loser the ordinary working class people of the City handed Labour it's arse on a plate, those people live in Stoke-on-Trent who the fuck do you think you are to question how those people vote, now stop crying and accept defeat again Brexit is going to happen get over it duck.
Perhaps it's because we have a base level of human decency and don't want to see the area we grew up in decimated even further and our friends and loved ones bear the brunt? The debate doesn't end once an election has been lost you know... Or perhaps it's because you are bad losers, the same people who bitched, cried and moaned about the Brexit referendum result in 2016 are the same ones doing exactly the same thing after the election, some people just can not accept that they backed the loosing horse in a two horse race, you can debate all you like but Boris has the majority he needs to implement the result ironically handed to him by the silent majority the real working class in this country, hopefully a lot of the changes needed to sort the country out will follow, I believe Boris is the man to get things sorted seems many other working class people feel the same.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 17, 2019 11:36:38 GMT
1. Just because they have bid for it, doesn't mean they get it. 2. It is UK tax payers money. The UK is a £8 billion pa net contributor to the EU, which is expected to rise over £10 billion pa if we stayed in. There are a few other significant net contributors to the EU like Germany, France, Italy, and The Netherlands, but most countries are net beneficiaries. Germany and the Netherlands enjoy huge positive trade balances with the rest of the EU, whereas the UK has a massive trade deficit of over £60 billion pa, the biggest chunk of which is with Germany (> £20 billion pa). During the membership of the EU in 1973, the UK has contributed approximately half a trillion £. Would that had been spent at home? Spain is now is budget balance with the EU, which effectively means it does not pay anything for the running of the EU. Historically Spain had been a net beneficiary of the EU till the east European states joined. In the 1970s and 80s. Spain's financial benefit from the EU was roughly equal to the UK's net contribution. In effect that means the UK paid for the rebuilding of Spain's infrastructure (roads, rail, airports, railways, etc.) since the demise of Franco. With the UK leaving and the EU losing the UK net contribution how are the other countries populations going to react to being bigger net contributors other having their benefit cut? I know it will not go down well in The Netherlands and Italy. Stoke-On-Trent gets practically everything it pays into the EU back as its an impoverished area.Some areas get nothing back.Now we just get nothing but Johnsons promises ,its devastating for the area. Then why on earth do we have to pay into it in the first place? Wouldn't it be far more efficient to simply keep the money here in the first place?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2019 11:42:13 GMT
Stoke-On-Trent gets practically everything it pays into the EU back as its an impoverished area.Some areas get nothing back.Now we just get nothing but Johnsons promises ,its devastating for the area. Then why on earth do we have to pay into it in the first place? Wouldn't it be far more efficient to simply keep the money here in the first place? Exactly. It's our fucking money!
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 17, 2019 11:49:38 GMT
Then why on earth do we have to pay into it in the first place? Wouldn't it be far more efficient to simply keep the money here in the first place? Exactly. It's our fucking money! It's a laughable argument they give us some of our money back meanwhile the rest goes to our competitors 🤦♂️ AND they tell us where to spend our money....
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Post by starkiller on Dec 17, 2019 12:09:00 GMT
Exactly. It's our fucking money! It's a laughable argument they give us some of our money back meanwhile the rest goes to our competitors 🤦♂️ AND they tell us where to spend our money.... It's interesting how much money we have given to the EU for them to then fund moving our companies into other parts of the EU. Cadbury to Poland, for example.
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 17, 2019 12:45:35 GMT
It's a laughable argument they give us some of our money back meanwhile the rest goes to our competitors 🤦♂️ AND they tell us where to spend our money.... It's interesting how much money we have given to the EU for them to then fund moving our companies into other parts of the EU. Cadbury to Poland, for example. Exactly they've broken our manufacturers by making it easy to move within the EU, they've made our companies uncompetitive in the EU block by allowing cheaper "foreign" imports easy to access. Yes in the short term the cost of living might be cheaper but it completely fucks the economy that's why we have organisations to look at monopolies and competion. We are at a disadvantage to complete within the EU. Might not be the correct words to explain it but it's how I see it.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 12:59:32 GMT
We you have done nothing but slag Stoke-on-Trent off, why does it bother you so much you are a bad loser the ordinary working class people of the City handed Labour it's arse on a plate, those people live in Stoke-on-Trent who the fuck do you think you are to question how those people vote, now stop crying and accept defeat again Brexit is going to happen get over it duck.
Perhaps it's because we have a base level of human decency and don't want to see the area we grew up in decimated even further and our friends and loved ones bear the brunt? The debate doesn't end once an election has been lost you know... Hes just an agitator mate with no substance,no brains,no empathy and certainly no social conscience.Like most people do on here its best just to ignore him.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 13:01:28 GMT
Stoke-On-Trent gets practically everything it pays into the EU back as its an impoverished area.Some areas get nothing back.Now we just get nothing but Johnsons promises ,its devastating for the area. Then why on earth do we have to pay into it in the first place? Wouldn't it be far more efficient to simply keep the money here in the first place? To ask that question you obviously haven't got the faintest idea how the EU works and Im certainly not going to explain it to you.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 17, 2019 13:09:52 GMT
Then why on earth do we have to pay into it in the first place? Wouldn't it be far more efficient to simply keep the money here in the first place? To ask that question you obviously haven't got the faintest idea how the EU works and Im certainly not going to explain it to you. Hahahaha, what a cop-out answer. Do fairies and magical wizards play a part?
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 13:13:11 GMT
To ask that question you obviously haven't got the faintest idea how the EU works and Im certainly not going to explain it to you. Hahahaha, what a cop-out answer. Do fairies and magical wizards play a part? I dont have the time to explain tbh .The EU makes sure the money goes to those who need it.To keep it simple.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 17, 2019 13:25:02 GMT
Hahahaha, what a cop-out answer. Do fairies and magical wizards play a part? I dont have the time to explain tbh .The EU makes sure the money goes to those who need it.To keep it simple. So we get out almost what we put in. So we pay money to the EU, who take a bit, and then give most of it back, and that's helping us out because we're an impoverished area. So, magic then, in other words. Great.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2019 13:28:06 GMT
Hahahaha, what a cop-out answer. Do fairies and magical wizards play a part? I dont have the time to explain tbh .The EU makes sure the money goes to those who need it.To keep it simple. Greece, Italy, Spain etc etc etc
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2019 13:31:53 GMT
Perhaps it's because we have a base level of human decency and don't want to see the area we grew up in decimated even further and our friends and loved ones bear the brunt? The debate doesn't end once an election has been lost you know... Hes just an agitator mate with no substance,no brains,no empathy and certainly no social conscience.Like most people do on here its best just to ignore him. Still bitter are you you have been hammered on here not for the first time, for a "businessman" you ain't the sharpest tool in the box that's for certain.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 17, 2019 13:50:47 GMT
We you have done nothing but slag Stoke-on-Trent off, why does it bother you so much you are a bad loser the ordinary working class people of the City handed Labour it's arse on a plate, those people live in Stoke-on-Trent who the fuck do you think you are to question how those people vote, now stop crying and accept defeat again Brexit is going to happen get over it duck.
Perhaps it's because we have a base level of human decency and don't want to see the area we grew up in decimated even further and our friends and loved ones bear the brunt? The debate doesn't end once an election has been lost you know... Yes, I think we have gathered that after the referendum. So in football terms it's 2 - 0, but no doubt you are hoping for a come back.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 17, 2019 14:21:28 GMT
Hes just an agitator mate with no substance,no brains,no empathy and certainly no social conscience.Like most people do on here its best just to ignore him. Still bitter are you you have been hammered on here not for the first time, for a "businessman" you ain't the sharpest tool in the box that's for certain.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 17, 2019 15:28:22 GMT
I dont have the time to explain tbh .The EU makes sure the money goes to those who need it.To keep it simple. Greece, Italy, Spain etc etc etc You missed Stoke off the list
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