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Post by mattyd on Dec 14, 2019 10:32:16 GMT
We should sing to the tune of Ooops Upside your head...
" Lets Get Brexit Done, I Say, Lets Get Brexit Done."
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Post by cokecystfit on Dec 14, 2019 10:40:35 GMT
I should be able to resist this but here we go. We are a city fucked by deindustrialisation, there are over 300 foodbanks, the town sees little investment and is struggling. When I'm there I'm always relieved by the fact that unlike Derby the people are friendly and thoroughly decent, a scouse-esque community atmosphere. All of this then just confuses me as to how we, along with the mining communities, Skinner's constituency etc, end up voting for tories after the 1980s at all much less a government which is going to only increase the strain on the city's people and facilities to levels I dare not think about. SOT, like much of the country, has been conned through xenophobia and nationalism into being the puppets of the rich elite. When they sing it tomorrow I'll feel the same shame and disgust with England that I have for quite some years now. Dont be confused. Foolish politicians attempted to mess about with democracy. They made the general election all about that. Democracy bit them in the ass. You should be absolutely proud that as a nation we have stood up and said fuck you, know your place. That might be to our detriment but is something to be proud of. "We" stood up and asked for more of the same and worse from the party that has already been in power for almost a decade. Great protest.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 10:42:14 GMT
I should be able to resist this but here we go. We are a city fucked by deindustrialisation, there are over 300 foodbanks, the town sees little investment and is struggling. When I'm there I'm always relieved by the fact that unlike Derby the people are friendly and thoroughly decent, a scouse-esque community atmosphere. All of this then just confuses me as to how we, along with the mining communities, Skinner's constituency etc, end up voting for tories after the 1980s at all much less a government which is going to only increase the strain on the city's people and facilities to levels I dare not think about. SOT, like much of the country, has been conned through xenophobia and nationalism into being the puppets of the rich elite. When they sing it tomorrow I'll feel the same shame and disgust with England that I have for quite some years now. I don't currently live in Stoke and voted for Labour when I did, but playing devil's advocate, you could consider the following: 1) Everything you have said above happened while the city was represented by three Labour MPs, which has done precisely naff all for the city since the creation of the seats. 2) If Stoke becomes a marginal, there will likely be much more government spending in the area than when the seats were safe Labour seats. 3) In Stoke South, the Conservatives put up a local 28 year old lad from a council house, whereas Labour parachuted in some Momentum gorm from London. It makes a difference. 4) Even ignoring the fact that Jack Brereton is local, the words 'London' and 'Momentum' are pure electoral poison. The CLP have only got themselves to blame. 5) With regards points 2 and 3, you could argue that if Stoke went back to giving parachuted candidates comfortable majorities, they would have learned precisely sod all. I did a follow up post just after which criticised labour's leadership and made the point I can understand protest votes and that I myself voted green for a multitude of reasons. However shit labour are right now though there's simply no convincing me that the tories are somehow a better option. They're worse in literally every measurable way. Onwards and upwards, going to become a member again now Corbyn is off and hopefully the next leader will be someone a little more palatable to the masses, the bar is set rather low.
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 14, 2019 11:17:11 GMT
Don’t be ashamed if you voted Tory. As a hard working, Law abiding, Ex Labour voting, Ex armed forces, Stokie, I have zero shame that I voted to repel Corbyn / Labour Party from running the country I love. Anyone who believes your situation or that of your hard pressed neighbours would have been improved long term by enabling a Corbyn / McDonnell / Abbot Government is simply deluded. “Bowen is a Tory” The tories have put lots of ex armed forces on the streets. Anyone working class person who voted tory fully deserves what is coming. The VAST majority of job losses in the Armed Forces were Voluntary Redundancy / Medical Pension discharges. They were also well compensated. Nobody was “Put on the Streets.”
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2019 11:29:15 GMT
Personally I would feel quite sad - but good luck to all those who think the Tories even know where SoT is. They do now it's part of the blueprint.
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 11:32:03 GMT
Personally I would feel quite sad - but good luck to all those who think the Tories even know where SoT is. They do now it's part of the blueprint. Anybody would think Blair turned Stoke into a utopian paradise.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 14, 2019 11:39:40 GMT
"One Joris Bohnson, there's only one Joris Bohnson"
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Dec 14, 2019 11:49:11 GMT
The tories have put lots of ex armed forces on the streets. Anyone working class person who voted tory fully deserves what is coming. The Labour Party put lots of armed forces in their graves in an illegal war in Iraq. Corbyn wouldn't have done that. As I said, Blair should be in prison.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2019 11:54:18 GMT
"Town full of Tories!" When Reading sing this tomorrow what will be your respnse? What would anyone respond to that, it's factually incorrect Stoke-on-Trent is a City made up of 6 towns and not everyone voted Tory
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2019 11:55:54 GMT
The Labour Party put lots of armed forces in their graves in an illegal war in Iraq. Corbyn wouldn't have done that. As I said, Blair should be in prison. He won't get the fcuking chance to
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Post by wuzza on Dec 14, 2019 12:06:18 GMT
Personally I would feel quite sad - but good luck to all those who think the Tories even know where SoT is. They do now it's part of the blueprint. That’s the only hope - they feel obliged to take notice of the problems and do something.......hmmmmmm.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 14, 2019 12:54:02 GMT
Most people are as thick as shit. And here lies the real problem. Just because someone disagrees with your point of view, does not mean they are wrong. I see post after post on here saying how could people vote for a racist, bumbling, government that won’t do anything for Stoke. And, no matter who won, the other side would be saying the same things! How are they racist? Are they going to enact laws that take rights away from people of other races? How will the boot out immigrants that have followed the process and are here legally? How are they stupid? Are they not people with qualifications and experience having worked in these type of roles? Are the people in the other party less bumbling, less racist, less stupid. I personally think it’s an incredibly important concept to safeguard your borders and only let those who meet the current criteria in. How about giving them a chance? If you support your government (or team manager) they may surprise you! In life there are cycles, no one wins for ever. This is an election changing the government, it’s not a war, revolution, bloody coup or some other disaster. I think you should be more worried if the Reading fans sing that we’ve got a shit team.
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 14, 2019 13:00:59 GMT
I have voted Labour in the past and used to be a Union Rep many moons ago
But I will say this. During their time in office they did precisely nothing for this City and it’s problems in ten years, other than talk a good game and consistently SPIN up grand ideas resulting in an endless stream if fictional artists impressions and Sentinel headlines around investment.
This city and the surrounding areas need change. No more protesting about how crap things are, real change and now the blues have the opportunity to show they understand the are and it’s needs.
Regardless of the motivation for voting blue, they have to prove they understand the area which arguably Jack Brereton has done....
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2019 13:07:40 GMT
Most people are as thick as shit. Smarting are you bless never mind we can't all back the winner.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 14, 2019 13:15:48 GMT
Most people are as thick as shit. Smarting are you bless never mind we can't all back the winner. These thickos were OK when they were voting Labour, of course. Some bitter lemons on here.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 13:38:14 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 13:40:50 GMT
Of course it is. They just voted unanimously for MPs from a right of centre party. Perhaps you should be asking why? And if you think that every Tory vote in SOT was made by white people, you're incredibly naive. For the record I've voted for Labour before (War-Marshall Blair in 97) but I would never vote for a Maomentum Quisling like Corbyn.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 14, 2019 13:41:55 GMT
They do now it's part of the blueprint. Anybody would think Blair turned Stoke into a utopian paradise. He did! We were in the Prem!
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 14, 2019 13:42:56 GMT
"Town full of Tories!" When Reading sing this tomorrow what will be your respnse? Why would Reading take the piss. We have more in common with the Royals than we do with Wigan. Even Wigan voted red, £@#&!n Wigan!
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 14, 2019 13:44:23 GMT
Of course it is. They just voted unanimously for MPs from a right of centre party. Perhaps you should be asking why? And if you think that every Tory vote in SOT was made by white people, you're incredibly naive. Isn't someone who thought that, not only naive, but also incredibly racist?
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 13:47:09 GMT
Perhaps you should be asking why? And if you think that every Tory vote in SOT was made by white people, you're incredibly naive. Isn't someone who thought that not only naive, but also incredibly racist? To think that all BAME people are low-achieving with a victim complex and are race-traitors if they don't fit the stereotype? Incredibly so. The racism of low expectations.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 14, 2019 13:52:54 GMT
Of course it is. They just voted unanimously for MPs from a right of centre party. Perhaps you should be asking why? And if you think that every Tory vote in SOT was made by white people, you're incredibly naive. For the record I've voted for Labour before (War-Marshall Blair in 97) but I would never vote for a Maomentum Quisling like Corbyn. I know why. 1. Brexit and Labour's policy on Brexit 2. Jeremy Corbyn Had there been any other leader in, they wouldn't have won with their Brexit policy, so that was the predominant reason. We also know this because Corbyn gained seats in 2017 when he campaigned to leave. However, even with a different Brexit policy, they still wouldn't have won. Corbyn seems to be disliked by many, and there is a feeling he is a poor leader. I agree with the latter and his failings in that respect with regard to anti-semitism and his Brexit stance hurt him massively. However, the former is largely driven by media vitriol and propaganda in my opinion. He's a decent man.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 14, 2019 13:53:41 GMT
Perhaps you should be asking why? And if you think that every Tory vote in SOT was made by white people, you're incredibly naive. Isn't someone who thought that, not only naive, but also incredibly racist? I don't think that at all.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 14, 2019 13:56:03 GMT
Perhaps you should be asking why? And if you think that every Tory vote in SOT was made by white people, you're incredibly naive. For the record I've voted for Labour before (War-Marshall Blair in 97) but I would never vote for a Maomentum Quisling like Corbyn. I know why. 1. Brexit and Labour's policy on Brexit 2. Jeremy Corbyn Had there been any other leader in, they wouldn't have won with their Brexit policy, so that was the predominant reason. We also know this because Corbyn gained seats in 2017 when he campaigned to leave. However, even with a different Brexit policy, they still wouldn't have won. Corbyn seems to be disliked by many, and there is a feeling he is a poor leader. I agree with the latter and his failings in that respect with regard to anti-semitism and his Brexit stance hurt him massively. However, the former is largely driven by media vitriol and propaganda in my opinion. He's a decent man. I agree with most of that. The last two lines let it down. He's a fraud. Live and die by your principles, don't ditch them for power.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 14, 2019 14:24:37 GMT
Isn't someone who thought that not only naive, but also incredibly racist? To think that all BAME people are low-achieving with a victim complex and are race-traitors if they don't fit the stereotype? Incredibly so. The racism of low expectations. Racism is thrown at so many things that are not actually racist. Bigotry or discrimination maybe, but hey, if you want to discredit someone call them racist.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 14:34:39 GMT
Perhaps you should be asking why? And if you think that every Tory vote in SOT was made by white people, you're incredibly naive. For the record I've voted for Labour before (War-Marshall Blair in 97) but I would never vote for a Maomentum Quisling like Corbyn. I know why. 1. Brexit and Labour's policy on Brexit 2. Jeremy Corbyn Had there been any other leader in, they wouldn't have won with their Brexit policy, so that was the predominant reason. We also know this because Corbyn gained seats in 2017 when he campaigned to leave. However, even with a different Brexit policy, they still wouldn't have won. Corbyn seems to be disliked by many, and there is a feeling he is a poor leader. I agree with the latter and his failings in that respect with regard to anti-semitism and his Brexit stance hurt him massively. However, the former is largely driven by media vitriol and propaganda in my opinion. He's a decent man. If Labour hadn't been transformed into a glorified pressure group and Marxist echo chamber, they'd have romped to victory. The question is, will the penny drop? As for JC, a 'decent man' with a habit of keeping unsavoury company. So at the very best, he's incredibly naive and thankfully he's not been given the keys to the asylum.
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Dec 14, 2019 16:07:08 GMT
Void, whoever takes over as leader will come in for the same sort of stick only in a different way. They will say Labour has lost touch with it's roots but if they appoint Rebecca Long-Bailey or Angela Raynor, just wait for the same people to say that they are thick northern bitches.
Moreover, any woman who wants to lead the party will have to consider whether the demonisation that will take place on them and their families by the tory media will be worth it.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 16:34:23 GMT
Void, whoever takes over as leader will come in for the same sort of stick only in a different way. They will say Labour has lost touch with it's roots but if they appoint Rebecca Long-Bailey or Angela Raynor, just wait for the same people to say that they are thick northern bitches. Moreover, any woman who wants to lead the party will have to consider whether the demonisation that will take place on them and their families by the tory media will be worth it. Right-leaning MPs never get abused do they? For every 'populist' headline in The Mail, there's a 1000 swivel-eyed loons from the left on Twitter hashtagging milkshakes. Social media's a far more powerful tool than the red tops these days.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 14, 2019 17:27:02 GMT
I don't currently live in Stoke and voted for Labour when I did, but playing devil's advocate, you could consider the following: 1) Everything you have said above happened while the city was represented by three Labour MPs, which has done precisely naff all for the city since the creation of the seats. 2) If Stoke becomes a marginal, there will likely be much more government spending in the area than when the seats were safe Labour seats. 3) In Stoke South, the Conservatives put up a local 28 year old lad from a council house, whereas Labour parachuted in some Momentum gorm from London. It makes a difference. 4) Even ignoring the fact that Jack Brereton is local, the words 'London' and 'Momentum' are pure electoral poison. The CLP have only got themselves to blame. 5) With regards points 2 and 3, you could argue that if Stoke went back to giving parachuted candidates comfortable majorities, they would have learned precisely sod all. I did a follow up post just after which criticised labour's leadership and made the point I can understand protest votes and that I myself voted green for a multitude of reasons. However shit labour are right now though there's simply no convincing me that the tories are somehow a better option. They're worse in literally every measurable way. Onwards and upwards, going to become a member again now Corbyn is off and hopefully the next leader will be someone a little more palatable to the masses, the bar is set rather low. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 14, 2019 18:09:50 GMT
I did a follow up post just after which criticised labour's leadership and made the point I can understand protest votes and that I myself voted green for a multitude of reasons. However shit labour are right now though there's simply no convincing me that the tories are somehow a better option. They're worse in literally every measurable way. Onwards and upwards, going to become a member again now Corbyn is off and hopefully the next leader will be someone a little more palatable to the masses, the bar is set rather low. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results It’s actually not Sal...
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