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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 2:12:02 GMT
"The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the Axe... the Axe was clever and convinced the Trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them." I'd be really impressed if the Reading fans could make a song out of this! Indeed, Sadly Sometimes I miss my home but then when this happens I do wonder GD
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 14, 2019 2:14:26 GMT
I should be able to resist this but here we go. We are a city fucked by deindustrialisation, there are over 300 foodbanks, the town sees little investment and is struggling. When I'm there I'm always relieved by the fact that unlike Derby the people are friendly and thoroughly decent, a scouse-esque community atmosphere. All of this then just confuses me as to how we, along with the mining communities, Skinner's constituency etc, end up voting for tories after the 1980s at all much less a government which is going to only increase the strain on the city's people and facilities to levels I dare not think about. SOT, like much of the country, has been conned through xenophobia and nationalism into being the puppets of the rich elite. When they sing it tomorrow I'll feel the same shame and disgust with England that I have for quite some years now. Dont be confused. Foolish politicians attempted to mess about with democracy. They made the general election all about that. Democracy bit them in the ass. You should be absolutely proud that as a nation we have stood up and said fuck you, know your place. That might be to our detriment but is something to be proud of. Don't 100% understand this. Are you trying to make the point that voting Blue was a vote for Democracy. I hope not but I am guessing you probably are and I really don't understand how you have arrived at voting for a man who illegally suspended parliament, who sacks anyone who disagrees with him, who is a blatant racist, is a vote for Democracy - not to mention his intellect - he thought Africa was a country While I agree one party was ever so slightly to the left, the other was probably more to the right - neither were exactly a vote for Democracy. There are other alternatives to just voting for the same owd 2 - I found it incredible that with everything going on with all things climate/planet that there was not a bigger swing to the Green party. Worse than that the party that offered nothing but a token gesture regarding our planet was elected - sadly our demising planet is not even worth a thought for the average voter at the moment. Certainly worth having a look at the Green party manifesto next time round - there are a lot of good social elements in there and a better alternative to voting against your beliefs - as for Boris being a vote for Democracy - I am lost for words
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 2:29:04 GMT
I suppose it must sting a bit, when the presupposition that SOT is/was a Labour stronghold, dissolves in an instant.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 2:29:09 GMT
I never thought Stoke-on-Trent would be a right wing city. I don't think it is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 2:30:45 GMT
I never thought Stoke-on-Trent would be a right wing city. I don't think it is. Yeah right ....
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 14, 2019 2:39:36 GMT
I never thought Stoke-on-Trent would be a right wing city. I don't think it is. Of course it is. They just voted unanimously for MPs from a right of centre party.
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Post by Sfance on Dec 14, 2019 3:11:48 GMT
I think Stoke will revert to Labour next time around - assuming Labour is smart enough not to elect another dour Stalinist as their leader. This vote was all about Brexit - Stoke voted for Brexit (for understandable reasons) and so they have gone for the party that will give them Brexit. It is not, as they say, rocket science. Labour lost because a) they didn't understand that this election was about Brexit, and b) the idea of Corbyn leading the country was simply unimaginable.
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Post by harlequin on Dec 14, 2019 3:18:22 GMT
Not hard to guess who voted for who in this thread.
They've both done next to the nothing for the city, the one positive is if it becomes a more contested area we might actually get one of them trying to win us over with better funding.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 14, 2019 3:29:27 GMT
Dont be confused. Foolish politicians attempted to mess about with democracy. They made the general election all about that. Democracy bit them in the ass. You should be absolutely proud that as a nation we have stood up and said fuck you, know your place. That might be to our detriment but is something to be proud of. Don't 100% understand this. Are you trying to make the point that voting Blue was a vote for Democracy. I hope not but I am guessing you probably are and I really don't understand how you have arrived at voting for a man who illegally suspended parliament, who sacks anyone who disagrees with him, who is a blatant racist, is a vote for Democracy - not to mention his intellect - he thought Africa was a country While I agree one party was ever so slightly to the left, the other was probably more to the right - neither were exactly a vote for Democracy. There are other alternatives to just voting for the same owd 2 - I found it incredible that with everything going on with all things climate/planet that there was not a bigger swing to the Green party. Worse than that the party that offered nothing but a token gesture regarding our planet was elected - sadly our demising planet is not even worth a thought for the average voter at the moment. Certainly worth having a look at the Green party manifesto next time round - there are a lot of good social elements in there and a better alternative to voting against your beliefs - as for Boris being a vote for Democracy - I am lost for words And why do you assume that voters are voting “against their beliefs”? The people spoke on Brexit and now have followed up by rejecting socialism and over the top restrictions on what should be a free country.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 14, 2019 3:34:17 GMT
What the fuck affiliation to any political party has to do with supporting a football team I have no idea. The fact that it is being discussed makes it worse. I would be more worried if visiting supporters queried the IQ of most Stokies as being a little higher than pond life creatures. Well not worried at all - I would expect it. Quite a lot if you have a quick google about it. You can even look as close as Celtic/Rangers for a quick and dirty reference. Maybe even Liverpool as an example of leftist leaning Our "twin" club St Pauli.... who are completely at the other end of the spectrum of what has just happened in Stoke & this country. Outside of that, Livorno/Verona is a left/right rivalry. I think Vallecano are pretty lefty too. edit: and right wing clubs exist too, Lazio, a lot of Russian clubs will be for example And Stoke!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 4:21:19 GMT
Not hard to guess who voted for who in this thread. And why should it matter?
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Post by harlequin on Dec 14, 2019 6:12:54 GMT
Not hard to guess who voted for who in this thread. And why should it matter? It shouldn't and that's the point, I think. In most discussions posters try to put across at least the facade of a balanced view but as soon as politics comes into it, it's immediately polarized entrenched positions. For myself, I don't let on what my political views are because it immediately paints you as one thing or another.
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 14, 2019 6:18:38 GMT
Why bring politics into sports? The two shouldn't mix. So if the 5 reading fans sing that today "shove your fucking politics up your arse" should be the response, end of thread.
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Post by chad on Dec 14, 2019 6:38:40 GMT
I never thought Stoke-on-Trent would be a right wing city. Well that’s what putting a man like Corbyn in charge of the Labour Party does to people The people have spoken. It’s called democracy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 6:59:35 GMT
You lost me at “Reading fans singing” to be honest.....
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Post by stoke111 on Dec 14, 2019 7:20:26 GMT
To the song “breakfast at Tiffany’s”
And I said what about Brexit at Christmas They said I think I remember the result But as I recall I think some didn’t like it And I said “well at least we’ve got Vokes”
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Post by jaybee on Dec 14, 2019 7:43:21 GMT
I never thought Stoke-on-Trent would be a right wing city. Matthews Chaimberlain Pennant Lawrence
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 8:02:52 GMT
Dont be confused. Foolish politicians attempted to mess about with democracy. They made the general election all about that. Democracy bit them in the ass. You should be absolutely proud that as a nation we have stood up and said fuck you, know your place. That might be to our detriment but is something to be proud of. Don't 100% understand this. Are you trying to make the point that voting Blue was a vote for Democracy. I hope not but I am guessing you probably are and I really don't understand how you have arrived at voting for a man who illegally suspended parliament, who sacks anyone who disagrees with him, who is a blatant racist, is a vote for Democracy - not to mention his intellect - he thought Africa was a country While I agree one party was ever so slightly to the left, the other was probably more to the right - neither were exactly a vote for Democracy. There are other alternatives to just voting for the same owd 2 - I found it incredible that with everything going on with all things climate/planet that there was not a bigger swing to the Green party. Worse than that the party that offered nothing but a token gesture regarding our planet was elected - sadly our demising planet is not even worth a thought for the average voter at the moment. Certainly worth having a look at the Green party manifesto next time round - there are a lot of good social elements in there and a better alternative to voting against your beliefs - as for Boris being a vote for Democracy - I am lost for words Im afraid it was. The decision on Brexit was 3 years ago. Since then we have had MPs consistently obstructing it's implementation. 2 of the 3 major parties then openly campaigned against Brexit and for a further referendum. That was political suicide, especially in light of the Euro election results and an absolute whitewash for the Brexit Party, who'd only been formed a week or so prior. Once they were so open about this it meant one thing and one thing only to people. It was a vote for Brexit, but more and most importantly it was a vote for democracy, which won at a canter. How could it not be, as you say, who in their right mind would vote for the bumbling, racist, law ignoring Boris Johnson otherwise?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 8:04:03 GMT
More importantly what kind of self respecting human being would vote for Corbyn.
Tories won simply because the other parties are even more laughable.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 14, 2019 8:08:57 GMT
Makes me wonder if anyone ever read animal farm?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 14, 2019 8:13:05 GMT
People in stoke voted for a right wing racist government that will do nothing for them.
I don't think Corbyn is a good leader either.
If you care about stoke though, think how could things improve? Where will that investment come from? Will it come from private sector? Of course not.
You need a balanced state role in society, you need some level of decency, a safety net. You need a decent welfare state to protect all of us for instance, if we get sick but have children to look after. You need a strong NHS, not one being picked apart, losing 17 thousand beds, underfunded by 990 billion pounds since the tories got in.
Nationalisation of the railways and utilities, that had the potential of investment and jobs in places like stoke and improving the shit transport links to other cities.
Labour has failed many times but it's manifesto was there to help places like stoke, but my fellow people voted against it, they voted for a racist right wing government to 'get brexit done', when even the BJ doesn't know what the fuck that is.
They voted to boot out immigrants, people with families etc, although that won't happen either if we want any sort of trade deal, there will continue to be free movement.
The people of stoke got it wrong and those northern cities forming the old labour red wall are a laughing stock right now.
Ron, aged 70, sitting in his car being interviewed. 'Why did you vote Tory for the first time'.
'I don't like that Jeremy Corbyn mate, get brexit done'.
Anyway, that's the last I'll post on the subject as it is driving me mad.
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Post by bassmaster on Dec 14, 2019 8:15:51 GMT
Most people are as thick as shit.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 14, 2019 8:19:04 GMT
The Important issue is we have some matches to get some points, and get above the line. Then we get Brexit done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 8:20:02 GMT
Big Stig Johnson.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 14, 2019 8:21:19 GMT
Most people are as thick as shit. The average man 👍 or non binary crayon
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Post by bristolmart on Dec 14, 2019 8:21:25 GMT
What made me feel totally pissed off is when that fuckwit Michael Gove said how proud he is that events like the Durham Miners gala will now be in a Tory constituency and for that matter of course the Bet 365 and Vale Park. Having a patronising git like him being proud is sickening. I wonder if the people who voted are proud to have people like Gove being proud on their behalf. Too many proud so I know!!!
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Post by stiggerstackle on Dec 14, 2019 8:21:45 GMT
It was a case of people voting for the least shit option. Many valid arguments on this thread, but there simply doesn’t exist a party capable of delivering them.
We’ve been a labour stronghold for decades - many people are quite rightly asking the question ‘where has that got us?’.
A choice between Corbyn and Johnson is like a choice between syphilis or leprocy. People fancied a good dose for a change.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 8:22:34 GMT
Also when the party you support gets embarrassed and fails on a level unseen since the 30s.
Don’t go and try belittle the voters of the opposition. Take a long look at the catastrophic failure of Labour and think is this really what I want leading the country.
Oh and 100% fact that lefties have 31% smaller penis on average than the glorious Tory followers. Also Tory followers have shown to last 43% longer in bed and on average the opposite sex has confirmed the 87% of the time that sex with the right, is the right choice. This is not made up, honest.
Also just look at our Lord Prime Minister and Supreme Commander... with his long flowing blonde locks, perfect spoken English and oodles of charm, charisma and sex appeal. He’s the modern day Prince Charming.
Now look at the opposition in Corbyn... he looks like Gollum smacked off his tits on crack. Couldn’t even be arsed groom his beard the scruffy cock. If he won we would be over run with single mothers of 3 blocking Costa Coffee and Starbucks with their kids Tyrese, Chantelle and Jaxon.
Never mind Romanian Ronald drawing his freebie from the cash point while wearing fake Addis tracksuit bottoms and a pair of generic black shoes, all the while barely being able to say “Hello thank you for your money”
Thankfully the man of the people won, Jesus reincarnate!
Praise the Boris Praise the Boris Praise the Boris
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 14, 2019 8:28:46 GMT
It's oddly fitting. Jezza had an open goal. All he had to do was continue his thirty year old dislike of the EU and back Brexit. But the man of principle ditched his for a tilt at power.
Like Gregory, he contrived to fuck his chance up. His team mates scared the shit out of the country as well, with the virtue signalling that a few on here seem to like.
That's why people couldn't vote for Corbyn and this version of Labour. They didn't trust him or them, and Boris Fucking Johnson won with a tap in.
So instead of turning on decent people who made a democratic choice have a think about the wanker who really let us down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 8:28:59 GMT
I never thought Stoke-on-Trent would be a right wing city. It isn’t. The chronology is something like this: The people of Stoke vote in Labour The people of Stoke vote for Brexit The people voted in block the Brexit Bill The people of Stoke still want Brexit above anything else Hobson’s Choice, vote Tory. Even if the Conservatives make a decent fist of the next 5 years, I’m pretty sure there will a swing back Labour in their usual strongholds at the next General Election.
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