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Post by mano00001 on Dec 3, 2019 21:39:57 GMT
Does anyone think we will be out of relegation zone by Christmas?
I reckon we will have 21 points by Christmas which I think will be enough to see us getting out of relegation zone!!!
What do ye think??
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Post by badger1863 on Dec 3, 2019 21:44:16 GMT
Sorry mate, I dont share your confidence.
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Post by medwaypotter on Dec 3, 2019 21:46:18 GMT
I do
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Post by lordb on Dec 3, 2019 21:52:47 GMT
Doesn't matter
Fourth bottom in May after 46 games that's the aim. That would be bone fide success from here.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 3, 2019 22:00:46 GMT
Doesn't matter Fourth bottom in May after 46 games that's the aim. That would be bone fide success from here. Would absolutely take that such is our shocking position we're in right now. The aim this season has to be just survive, anything higher than fourth bottom is a massive bonus. No matter what, relegation or survive, O'Neill has one hell of a rebuilding task to do in the summer.
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Post by pushon on Dec 3, 2019 22:18:18 GMT
Doesn't matter Fourth bottom in May after 46 games that's the aim. That would be bone fide success from here. Would absolutely take that such is our shocking position we're in right now. The aim this season has to be just survive, anything higher than fourth bottom is a massive bonus. No matter what, relegation or survive, O'Neill has one hell of a rebuilding task to do in the summer. Disregarding, for a moment the much desired escape from the dreaded relegation places, if we can only acheive 4th from bottom will O'Neil survive through to next season? N
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 3, 2019 22:23:06 GMT
Would absolutely take that such is our shocking position we're in right now. The aim this season has to be just survive, anything higher than fourth bottom is a massive bonus. No matter what, relegation or survive, O'Neill has one hell of a rebuilding task to do in the summer. Disregarding, for a moment the much desired escape from the dreaded relegation places, if we can only acheive 4th from bottom will O'Neil survive through to next season? N I think the board don't care as long as he achieves survival. We've got useless wastes of space in that squad, if he can get them staying up then as far as I'm concerned it's a miracle. They have to give him summer you'd think.
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Post by lordb on Dec 3, 2019 22:27:00 GMT
Would absolutely take that such is our shocking position we're in right now. The aim this season has to be just survive, anything higher than fourth bottom is a massive bonus. No matter what, relegation or survive, O'Neill has one hell of a rebuilding task to do in the summer. Disregarding, for a moment the much desired escape from the dreaded relegation places, if we can only acheive 4th from bottom will O'Neil survive through to next season? N Absolutely, if he keeps this lot up that definitely keeps him in the job.
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 3, 2019 22:29:45 GMT
Doesn't matter Fourth bottom in May after 46 games that's the aim. That would be bone fide success from here. Would absolutely take that such is our shocking position we're in right now. The aim this season has to be just survive, anything higher than fourth bottom is a massive bonus. No matter what, relegation or survive, O'Neill has one hell of a rebuilding task to do in the summer. Snatch your hand off if offered that at the moment. Summer, proper pre season. We go again
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 3, 2019 23:49:30 GMT
Would absolutely take that such is our shocking position we're in right now. The aim this season has to be just survive, anything higher than fourth bottom is a massive bonus. No matter what, relegation or survive, O'Neill has one hell of a rebuilding task to do in the summer. Disregarding, for a moment the much desired escape from the dreaded relegation places, if we can only acheive 4th from bottom will O'Neil survive through to next season? N Since that would be a successful outcome, one would certainly hope so.
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Post by pinoypotter on Dec 4, 2019 0:14:14 GMT
I think we have to be out of the bottom 3 by Boxing day to stand a decent chance of staying up. By then there could well be a "relegation fight" group of maybe 7 or 8 teams and hopefully we can be pushing to be some points clear of the bottom 3. It'll be tight, I just hope we can shake off this fear that we still seem to have. Need to pick up points soon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 0:15:47 GMT
Disregarding, for a moment the much desired escape from the dreaded relegation places, if we can only acheive 4th from bottom will O'Neil survive through to next season? N Since that would be a successful outcome, one would certainly hope so. We are in the "last chance saloon" now. If MON can't sort things out, I really do not think that anyone can. (Including the unmentionable).
If we could just unwind all of the damage that Jones did ..... we could be safe mid table. LMH, Rowett and PFL would have all been able to keep us safe. Crickey, when we got relegated from the Prem, to have thought that we now would be looking at survival in this league as a success - funny old game.
As most of us know, football has moved on. To have owners and directors meddling and interfering in the day to day football matters simply doesn't work anymore. Did it ever? Clough used to basically tell the chairman to mind his own business, and just sign the cheques.
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Post by Gods on Dec 4, 2019 0:31:37 GMT
21 points by Xmas would require 2 wins, 1 draw and a defeat against the clowns of Hull and Middlesboro away and Reading and Luton at home.
It's certainly possible, its as tasty a run of 4 games as you will ever see at this level.
Whether it would dig us out of the bottom 3 is much less sure I would suggest.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 4, 2019 2:26:05 GMT
Still think we will be out of the bottom 3 by Xmas and lower mid table by the seasons end.
Major rebuilding needs doing the squad is simply poor. Don’t ask me how we shift terrible players like Vokes in big wages but someone is paid to do so it’s about time they earned their money.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 10:45:27 GMT
Still think we will be out of the bottom 3 by Xmas and lower mid table by the seasons end. Major rebuilding needs doing the squad is simply poor. Don’t ask me how we shift terrible players like Vokes in big wages but someone is paid to do so it’s about time they earned their money. True. But "someone" has failed to do so (enough) in the last five windows and is still in the job, so if you list the likes of Vokes or anyone else that was signed by our last two managers, then I'll say hugely unlikely. We can but pray the day will come that those 20 signings' plus Imbula/Wimmer's contracts will run out. Then we can start rebuilding effectively, if by then we have a manager and/or a director of football who know what they are doing.
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Post by marrer on Dec 4, 2019 10:49:17 GMT
Read the title and thought the season must be finishing this month
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 10:50:23 GMT
We might be out of the relegation zone by Christmas, who knows. But knowing us we will dip right back into it by New Year's Eve.
As for reaching midtable security, surely you know by now there is no such thing in the Championship. You are either chasing promotion or fighting relegation. No other options until you reach the month of May!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 11:02:54 GMT
I don't think we'll see much improvement on a regular basis until we've made some signings.....a proper left back and a mobile centre forward who can finish would be nice.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 4, 2019 11:03:21 GMT
Doesn't matter Fourth bottom in May after 46 games that's the aim. That would be bone fide success from here. which is a disgrace given the spending since relegation.
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Post by zerps on Dec 4, 2019 11:39:39 GMT
We can’t defend. We even let Barnsley score 2. So no, unfortunately not.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 4, 2019 12:01:54 GMT
We don't look like we could beat anyone with certainty atm!
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Post by lordb on Dec 4, 2019 12:26:13 GMT
Doesn't matter Fourth bottom in May after 46 games that's the aim. That would be bone fide success from here. which is a disgrace given the spending since relegation. certainly is however that's where we are
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Post by sutekh on Dec 4, 2019 12:36:22 GMT
We will be bottom 3 at Xmas and bottom 3 come may imo. This shower of shit have relegation written all over them.
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Post by Davef on Dec 4, 2019 12:39:09 GMT
We can’t defend. We even let Barnsley score 2. So no, unfortunately not. Barnsley have scored twice against both West Brom and Bristol City recently and put three past Hull last week. None of them scored four against them. You're right though, we can't defend.
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 4, 2019 12:39:22 GMT
Would absolutely take that such is our shocking position we're in right now. The aim this season has to be just survive, anything higher than fourth bottom is a massive bonus. No matter what, relegation or survive, O'Neill has one hell of a rebuilding task to do in the summer. Snatch your hand off if offered that at the moment. Summer, proper pre season. We go again I agree entirely. It is apalling that we should find ourselves in such a predicament. I know that we can look at bad luck, and unfortunate chains of events (like the Afobe story) but our situation is nothing short of a disaster. If people were able to say that we are surviving but we have no resources then I am sure that fans would be more accepting of the situation. But the truth is that we have a very expensively assembled squad that is at least thought in the football world to have potential, our own ground and enviable training facilities, a star studded Academy supply chain that doesn't get deserved recognition, very few competitive teams in our league that should worry us. But to what end? When you remind us of the huge rebuilding job required it is soul destroying. A third successive Summer of supposed rebuilding after two Managers already have seemingly failed totally to realise their plans and move us forward, offering only disappointment and destroyed opportunities. But here we are, still in December, or possibly November in Peter's view, and folks on here are suggesting that 4th from bottom at the end of the season is all they want for Christmas.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Dec 4, 2019 12:48:13 GMT
To have owners and directors meddling and interfering in the day to day football matters simply doesn't work anymore. Did it ever? Clough used to basically tell the chairman to mind his own business, and just sign the cheques.
- I thought it was published that Hughes, Rowett and Jones all stipulated that they wanted no or little interference after that requirement was established during Hughes' tenure. Granted that only surfaced when Scholes etc started to feel some heat earlier this season, but it makes you wonder if a heavier hand on the tiller really is what's needed if managers can't be trusted to recruit correctly.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 4, 2019 12:58:42 GMT
Since that would be a successful outcome, one would certainly hope so. We are in the "last chance saloon" now. If MON can't sort things out, I really do not think that anyone can. (Including the unmentionable).
If we could just unwind all of the damage that Jones did ..... we could be safe mid table. LMH, Rowett and PFL would have all been able to keep us safe. Crickey, when we got relegated from the Prem, to have thought that we now would be looking at survival in this league as a success - funny old game.
As most of us know, football has moved on. To have owners and directors meddling and interfering in the day to day football matters simply doesn't work anymore. Did it ever? Clough used to basically tell the chairman to mind his own business, and just sign the cheques.
Likely inadvertently you have just given the best argument as to why TP would have been the right choice to get back in for our current predicament. And before you start I am ok with MON and hope to hell he is the guy to get this woeful bunch of so called professional footballers playing something that at least resembles professional football. I do worry however how savvy the guy is going to be in the transfer market when he literally has zilch experience swimming in the shark infested championship players market. If he keeps this bunch up by a solitary point with the last kick of the season I think he will have done more than enough to be given the opportunity to carry on as he will actually have performed a minor miracle.
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 4, 2019 13:01:31 GMT
I think we will be lucky that Barnsley, Wigan and Luton look even worse than us, and that will be what keeps us up rather than us serving up anything remotely like playing decent nogger.
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Post by enuntio on Dec 4, 2019 13:22:04 GMT
These next 3 or 4 games are vital. I'd like to see a minimum of 9 points from 12, but we all know exactly how lacklustre we can be...
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Post by Roger Everyone on Dec 4, 2019 13:46:07 GMT
I hope we are, but going on the last couple of performances I can't see it.
At the moment our best chance of getting out of the relegation zone would be dependent on other clubs being deducted points...
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