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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 14:05:03 GMT
Would absolutely take that such is our shocking position we're in right now. The aim this season has to be just survive, anything higher than fourth bottom is a massive bonus. No matter what, relegation or survive, O'Neill has one hell of a rebuilding task to do in the summer. Snatch your hand off if offered that at the moment. Summer, proper pre season. We go again We've been saying that for four seasons now, what makes you think anything is going to change? |
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Post by greystokie on Dec 4, 2019 14:06:27 GMT
Would absolutely take that such is our shocking position we're in right now. The aim this season has to be just survive, anything higher than fourth bottom is a massive bonus. No matter what, relegation or survive, O'Neill has one hell of a rebuilding task to do in the summer. Disregarding, for a moment the much desired escape from the dreaded relegation places, if we can only acheive 4th from bottom will O'Neil survive through to next season? N I reckon that if O'Neil avoids relegation with that squad he'll have, near on, worked a miracle! |
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Post by lordb on Dec 4, 2019 14:06:51 GMT
These next 3 or 4 games are vital. I'd like to see a minimum of 9 points from 12, but we all know exactly how lacklustre we can be... That's unrealistic and it isn't required Five points from the three games after Hull away would keep it all in the balance. Plus whatever we can get from Hull. We don't seem able to eek out draws. Lots of defeats punctuated by wins so far. |
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 4, 2019 14:07:34 GMT
We just need to be in touch by Christmas, i,e not more than one win needed to get out. That’s the best we can hope for based upon the continued tripe that is being served up.
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Post by marylandstoke on Dec 4, 2019 14:37:57 GMT
Snatch your hand off if offered that at the moment. Summer, proper pre season. We go again We've been saying that for four seasons now, what makes you think anything is going to change? It’s a great question Vince and one that has had me pondering an answer that tries to make some sense. I guess the first thing is hope. It’s nearly fifty years for me now and although, after the Prem years, no one wants it again, we have been there before. The club is supported by loyal, big hearted, kind people and, though a huge rebuild, maybe we will be back. Of course, it’s the hope that kills you in the end. I believe in the manager. A lot more than the last two(or few even) Of what was available and what we had tried before I think we did quite well. I don’t think, in my time, I have ever had the level of feeling I had for NJ but this feels like a nice fit. Only time will tell in the end. I at least hope he can instill some discipline. It would be a good idea to bring back win bonuses too. These are just my thoughts and are worth nothing. There’s a thousand people on here that know more about nogger than me I am sure. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 4, 2019 15:35:52 GMT
Does anyone think we will be out of relegation zone by Christmas? I reckon we will have 21 points by Christmas which I think will be enough to see us getting out of relegation zone!!! What do ye think?? Well done - is this your first positive post? Just to answer your question though - I do hope so. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 16:29:11 GMT
We are in the "last chance saloon" now. If MON can't sort things out, I really do not think that anyone can. (Including the unmentionable).
If we could just unwind all of the damage that Jones did ..... we could be safe mid table. LMH, Rowett and PFL would have all been able to keep us safe. Crickey, when we got relegated from the Prem, to have thought that we now would be looking at survival in this league as a success - funny old game.
As most of us know, football has moved on. To have owners and directors meddling and interfering in the day to day football matters simply doesn't work anymore. Did it ever? Clough used to basically tell the chairman to mind his own business, and just sign the cheques.
Likely inadvertently you have just given the best argument as to why TP would have been the right choice to get back in for our current predicament. And before you start I am ok with MON and hope to hell he is the guy to get this woeful bunch of so called professional footballers playing something that at least resembles professional football. I do worry however how savvy the guy is going to be in the transfer market when he literally has zilch experience swimming in the shark infested championship players market. If he keeps this bunch up by a solitary point with the last kick of the season I think he will have done more than enough to be given the opportunity to carry on as he will actually have performed a minor miracle. Been on holiday? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 16:31:15 GMT
To have owners and directors meddling and interfering in the day to day football matters simply doesn't work anymore. Did it ever? Clough used to basically tell the chairman to mind his own business, and just sign the cheques.
- I thought it was published that Hughes, Rowett and Jones all stipulated that they wanted no or little interference after that requirement was established during Hughes' tenure. Granted that only surfaced when Scholes etc started to feel some heat earlier this season, but it makes you wonder if a heavier hand on the tiller really is what's needed if managers can't be trusted to recruit correctly. I find it difficult to believe that Scholes and JC manage to keep their noses out of football matters. |
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Post by trincostokie on Dec 4, 2019 17:49:27 GMT
I think we will...I reckon MON is going to turn us into a streaky team again, and there's surely no better chance of stringing a few back to back wins together than the next few fixtures...it's what follows that that worries me
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 4, 2019 20:20:16 GMT
Can't see it happening.
We just ship to many goals and struggle to score. Those two things don't really give me much confidence we'll be out of the bottom three at all this season.
I don't think we'll see any reinvention of the wheel from MON. He is a motivator and straight talker, I don't think he will bring any genius tactics to the table.
Like him as I do ...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 21:36:39 GMT
We've been saying that for four seasons now, what makes you think anything is going to change? It’s a great question Vince and one that has had me pondering an answer that tries to make some sense. I guess the first thing is hope. It’s nearly fifty years for me now and although, after the Prem years, no one wants it again, we have been there before. The club is supported by loyal, big hearted, kind people and, though a huge rebuild, maybe we will be back. Of course, it’s the hope that kills you in the end. I believe in the manager. A lot more than the last two(or few even) Of what was available and what we had tried before I think we did quite well. I don’t think, in my time, I have ever had the level of feeling I had for NJ but this feels like a nice fit. Only time will tell in the end. I at least hope he can instill some discipline. It would be a good idea to bring back win bonuses too. These are just my thoughts and are worth nothing. There’s a thousand people on here that know more about nogger than me I am sure. Fair enough mate, but I just don't see much changing with this board in charge. I've lost all faith in them and whoever is our manager they need a good strong board behind them, and our boardroom is full of absolute clowns. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 21:47:30 GMT
It’s a great question Vince and one that has had me pondering an answer that tries to make some sense. I guess the first thing is hope. It’s nearly fifty years for me now and although, after the Prem years, no one wants it again, we have been there before. The club is supported by loyal, big hearted, kind people and, though a huge rebuild, maybe we will be back. Of course, it’s the hope that kills you in the end. I believe in the manager. A lot more than the last two(or few even) Of what was available and what we had tried before I think we did quite well. I don’t think, in my time, I have ever had the level of feeling I had for NJ but this feels like a nice fit. Only time will tell in the end. I at least hope he can instill some discipline. It would be a good idea to bring back win bonuses too. These are just my thoughts and are worth nothing. There’s a thousand people on here that know more about nogger than me I am sure. Fair enough mate, but I just don't see much changing with this board in charge. I've lost all faith in them and whoever is our manager they need a good strong board behind them, and our boardroom is full of absolute clowns. Well isn't that the exact problem? The Board, more or less, are the owners. So rather than having a Board comprised of experts in football, we have Jonti and Tone running things.
"The Board" is a shortened form of "The Board of Directors". Do we know who the directors are? Does the Board include any "non executive" directors?
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Post by mano00001 on Dec 6, 2019 10:39:15 GMT
I think we will...I reckon MON is going to turn us into a streaky team again, and there's surely no better chance of stringing a few back to back wins together than the next few fixtures...it's what follows that that worries me Agreed!! Massive 4 games, then MON has his transfer window which I think is the biggest transfer window in the clubs history. Hopefully start with a positive performance and result tomorrow! A draw would be huge i think! |
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 6, 2019 10:56:48 GMT
Perhaps controversially I am not expecting a lot to happen in the January transfer window. A couple of non regular players are likely to leave. Also I think we may see two in but no more, and I also think that they will be the hardened experienced leader type. MON will take time to weigh up his options and will probably feel that he has enough currently to keep Stoke up, which is our one and only target now this season. Then the rebuild can start in earnest with many players out of contract or ready to negotiate new deals in the summer. Things at the club really need shaking up and MON will see that, but why add to any confusion by further blurring the picture at this stage of the season. Take time and sensibly recontruct. Act in haste and repent at leisure.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 6, 2019 12:43:22 GMT
Likely inadvertently you have just given the best argument as to why TP would have been the right choice to get back in for our current predicament. And before you start I am ok with MON and hope to hell he is the guy to get this woeful bunch of so called professional footballers playing something that at least resembles professional football. I do worry however how savvy the guy is going to be in the transfer market when he literally has zilch experience swimming in the shark infested championship players market. If he keeps this bunch up by a solitary point with the last kick of the season I think he will have done more than enough to be given the opportunity to carry on as he will actually have performed a minor miracle. Been on holiday? Nah there just wasn't enough controversy for me to be moaning about what with MON coming in and winning 2 on the spin. Now with 2 defeats I thought I would have a butchers and see if the nay saying doom hounds are out in force....I wasn't disappointed. A thread calling for his head already, now that is impressive even by oatcake standards!!  |
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Post by enuntio on Dec 25, 2019 17:00:01 GMT
These next 3 or 4 games are vital. I'd like to see a minimum of 9 points from 12, but we all know exactly how lacklustre we can be... That's unrealistic and it isn't required Five points from the three games after Hull away would keep it all in the balance. Plus whatever we can get from Hull. We don't seem able to eek out draws. Lots of defeats punctuated by wins so far. You were Saying My LordB... |
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Post by lordb on Dec 25, 2019 17:16:39 GMT
That's unrealistic and it isn't required Five points from the three games after Hull away would keep it all in the balance. Plus whatever we can get from Hull. We don't seem able to eek out draws. Lots of defeats punctuated by wins so far. You were Saying My LordB... Indeed Draw at Boro would have made a difference Instead there is six point gap to them. As I said we don't eke out draws we just lose (punctuated by wins). 23 games to get something between another 24 to 30 points. It's acheivable but seems unlikely now. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 17:29:34 GMT
Christmas 2020
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 25, 2019 18:51:55 GMT
Does anyone think we will be out of relegation zone by Christmas? I reckon we will have 21 points by Christmas which I think will be enough to see us getting out of relegation zone!!! What do ye think?? No il bet money on it 😎 |
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 25, 2019 18:57:33 GMT
Mission failed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 23:45:48 GMT
I have lost all hope now and can only see the situation getting worse.
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Post by pb1863 on Dec 26, 2019 2:04:02 GMT
Wigan & Luton will struggle along with us. What we need is another couple of teams to hit some bad form for us to survive. Put a couple of wins together and we can easily finish 15-17. The issue at the moment is MON knowing his best team as all I see at the moment is a lack of confidence and a repeat of the Jones days. I really hope we can pick up 6 points in next 3 games. Play the kids in the cup and let’s see how they go as survival is the priority
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Post by stokecitytalke on Dec 26, 2019 9:32:11 GMT
Charlton might drop into the bottom 3 after their next 6 games, can't be arsed to list them🙂, but they are all very losable. 😁
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 26, 2019 10:57:13 GMT
Barnsley, Wigan, Luton, Charlton, Derby and Stoke, 3 of these teams will go down in my opinion.  |
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 26, 2019 11:07:26 GMT
MON insistence on playing Batth, Ince, Edwards, Ward and others who have no right to be wearing the shirt will ensure his demise in the same fashion as Rowett and Jones. The real problem is the alternative replacements for players in those positions are equally awful. He must rotate our dead wood in the hope it triggers some sort of pride to win the right to wear the shirt, otherwise we are gone.
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Post by musik on Dec 26, 2019 11:31:54 GMT
Possibly, but temporarily.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 26, 2019 12:28:14 GMT
It could be a 5 club league.
Stoke,Barnsley Wigan,Luton and Middlesboro.
Somehow we need to finish above 3 of those,but it looks like we ain't good enough to do even that.
Just say we did though,what will make next season any different from this one?
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Post by lordb on Dec 26, 2019 12:52:14 GMT
MON insistence on playing Batth, Ince, Edwards, Ward and others who have no right to be wearing the shirt will ensure his demise in the same fashion as Rowett and Jones. The real problem is the alternative replacements for players in those positions are equally awful. He must rotate our dead wood in the hope it triggers some sort of pride to win the right to wear the shirt, otherwise we are gone. He took Batth out only for Shawcross to get injured He's taken Edwards out Ward is our only left back - obviously we have to sign one, until then Ward us our best option there (that's how bad our options are) It's patently obvious that he is desperate to get a winger in and we know Verlinden us coming back. In the meantime he has to pick a side and that means picking bad players. |
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Post by matelot1996 on Dec 26, 2019 13:57:00 GMT
MON insistence on playing Batth, Ince, Edwards, Ward and others who have no right to be wearing the shirt will ensure his demise in the same fashion as Rowett and Jones. The real problem is the alternative replacements for players in those positions are equally awful. He must rotate our dead wood in the hope it triggers some sort of pride to win the right to wear the shirt, otherwise we are gone. He took Batth out only for Shawcross to get injured He's taken Edwards out Ward is our only left back - obviously we have to sign one, until then Ward us our best option there (that's how bad our options are) It's patently obvious that he is desperate to get a winger in and we know Verlinden us coming back. In the meantime he has to pick a side and that means picking bad players. Correct, hence why all previous Managers have found it almost impossible to gain any momentum with this crop of turds. The situation has the undeniable stench of Sunderland’s downfall. It will not improve today either. |
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Post by lordb on Dec 26, 2019 14:01:45 GMT
He took Batth out only for Shawcross to get injured He's taken Edwards out Ward is our only left back - obviously we have to sign one, until then Ward us our best option there (that's how bad our options are) It's patently obvious that he is desperate to get a winger in and we know Verlinden us coming back. In the meantime he has to pick a side and that means picking bad players. Correct, hence why all previous Managers have found it almost impossible to gain any momentum with this crop of turds. The situation has the undeniable stench of Sunderland’s downfall. It will not improve today either. We will get the odd win, maybe even today, but this squad is utterly disjointed. This is what happens when you have five managers in three years. We have to stick with this manager and have to allow him a few seasons to sort it out Not weeks, not two windows, seasons. |
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