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Post by bagnallboothen on Nov 30, 2019 18:13:43 GMT
Club records, is he our second most expensive striker behind Saido?
Has anyone we paid big money for been any use apart from Crouch?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 30, 2019 18:17:15 GMT
For the amount of money we paid out for his services, we must have scouted him at LEAST 15 times......... You'd think!!!
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Post by cdlstoke on Nov 30, 2019 18:21:02 GMT
He would make Keith Scott look good. If O’Neil picks this cunt again he can fuck off!!😡
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Post by palerider on Nov 30, 2019 18:21:32 GMT
Won two headers all game ,to think we gave 9 mil + crouch for that,,,,,,,
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 30, 2019 18:22:49 GMT
Apart from one header 2nd half he was dire
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 30, 2019 18:25:21 GMT
They call him concrete legs in Burnley, he never jumps off the floor
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 18:26:53 GMT
I actually thought he'd do ok here but even I'm shocked at how bad he is.
His legs have gone and seemingly so has his character. The way he waddled around the pitch at the end, being booed, like he had no care in the word just summed it up.
He's an absolute arsehole.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 30, 2019 18:30:40 GMT
He's got to be up there with the Big 3 - Imbula, Berahino and Kev, on the weighted Shitometer.
He was a good player at Burnley - so it's hard to believe what he appears to be now having just turned 30 a month ago
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 30, 2019 20:58:47 GMT
Explains a lot😄filled his boots with it today
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Post by stokemark on Nov 30, 2019 21:31:46 GMT
Unquestionably the biggest lump of shite we have seen up front since Keith Scott
His attitude is shocking and he is clearly overweight. What made MON think it a good idea to start him today god only knows
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 30, 2019 22:28:18 GMT
Unquestionably the biggest lump of shite we have seen up front since Keith Scott His attitude is shocking and he is clearly overweight. What made MON think it a good idea to start him today god only knows At the level we are going we need a Thorne and quickly. What a slumbering management Stoke have
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 1, 2019 8:15:07 GMT
I've put more effort in typing this message than he did yesterday.
At least try and jump for one of the headers Sam.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 1, 2019 8:21:13 GMT
He can't play as a lone striker, it's obvious he needs a partner, not that I'd play him at all mind.
Gregory doesn't get many goals but he's the only one capable of playing on his own, dropping him was scandalous.
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Post by Pirate on Dec 1, 2019 8:23:21 GMT
Right up there with Keith Scott & Paul Stewart for the biggest pile of shite i have seen play up front for us in my 25yrs following Stoke ( & imo Paul Stewart was the most shameful, couldnt give a shit player i have ever seen don the red & white). I dont have the words to desribe just how much i dislike him & the vast majority of this bunch of snivelling, entitled bottlers.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 1, 2019 8:26:43 GMT
He'll never play again for us after yesterday will he? Surely?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 1, 2019 8:34:13 GMT
He'll never play again for us after yesterday will he? Surely? Not a chance.
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Post by SCFC92 on Dec 1, 2019 8:48:02 GMT
Vokes, Batth and CCV at Right Back should never happen again.
Hopefully Shawcross is somewhat ready, I'd put him in. Diouf if match fit is ten times the player than Vokes if not give it back to Greggers. And stop with CCV at right back for fuck sake, especially when we have two other right backs readily available, who might be a little shite, but at least they're not completely shite in that position.
God this is all so depressing!
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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Dec 1, 2019 9:22:58 GMT
His whole attitude and application stinks
However, he gets very little service
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Post by Linx on Dec 1, 2019 19:41:54 GMT
His whole attitude and application stinks However, he gets very little service Good point. There has been a disconnect in our front line for at least two seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 19:54:07 GMT
Off the pace
100 per cent definitely ,one of those MoN was referring to as a yard off the pace
If you must have some one of the pace ( lord knows why ? ) Play crouch. He is slow but decent
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 4, 2019 14:49:52 GMT
He's got to be up there with the Big 3 - Imbula, Berahino and Kev, on the weighted Shitometer. He was a good player at Burnley - so it's hard to believe what he appears to be now having just turned 30 a month ago I'm trying to get my head around Sam. Yes, he has been truly awful for us, but this is a striker who scored 15 goals in this league only 4 years ago. I was delighted when he joined us last year, because he's proven in this league. He's hardly over the hill at 30 and fitness aside, he was carrying no injuries that I'm aware of when he joined us. He's a muscly, bustling target man. But he needs a fox in the box to complement him. His best partnerships were with Danny Ings and Andre Gray, both of whom are those nimble type of players. With regards to attitude, who knows? Maybe he never wanted to leave Burnley and his head dropped because he was a Championship player again. He suffered an ACL injury over 5½ years ago, maybe that's taken its toll as he's gotten older. But surely a solution to our predicament is to get our £9M striker fit and motivated, and play him alongside a mobile striker. I hope MON has brought his own fitness team with him. I think a lean, hungry Vokes and Hogan partnership could get us the goals we need to stay up. They've only started one game together (the horror show at Crawley), but Hogan seemed to be played further back, almost as a centre-midfielder that day.
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Post by stokie223 on Dec 4, 2019 15:07:46 GMT
He's got to be up there with the Big 3 - Imbula, Berahino and Kev, on the weighted Shitometer. He was a good player at Burnley - so it's hard to believe what he appears to be now having just turned 30 a month ago I'm trying to get my head around Sam. Yes, he has been truly awful for us, but this is a striker who scored 15 goals in this league only 4 years ago. I was delighted when he joined us last year, because he's proven in this league. He's hardly over the hill at 30 and fitness aside, he was carrying no injuries that I'm aware of when he joined us. He's a muscly, bustling target man. But he needs a fox in the box to complement him. His best partnerships were with Danny Ings and Andre Gray, both of whom are those nimble type of players. With regards to attitude, who knows? Maybe he never wanted to leave Burnley and his head dropped because he was a Championship player again. He suffered an ACL injury over 5½ years ago, maybe that's taken its toll as he's gotten older. But surely a solution to our predicament is to get our £9M striker fit and motivated, and play him alongside a mobile striker. I hope MON has brought his own fitness team with him. I think a lean, hungry Vokes and Hogan partnership could get us the goals we need to stay up. They've only started one game together (the horror show at Crawley), but Hogan seemed to be played further back, almost as a centre-midfielder that day. He's had two good seasons ever. One 4 years ago and one 6 years ago. Overweight, immobile, couldn't fit a newspaper under his boots when he jumps. Averaging nearly 1-in-5 across his career - doesn't take a genius to work out that he's just not really a very good player. He's never been worth £9m, certainly not now his best days are in the rear view mirror.
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Post by zerps on Dec 4, 2019 15:29:47 GMT
I actually thought he'd do ok here but even I'm shocked at how bad he is. His legs have gone and seemingly so has his character. The way he waddled around the pitch at the end, being booed, like he had no care in the word just summed it up. He's an absolute arsehole. What do you want him to do, cry on the pitch? 😆
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Post by hidman on Dec 4, 2019 15:30:28 GMT
problem with Vokes is the same for many of our so called stars, booted out of the premiership last year and doesn't thinks he deserves to be here. Ditto Butland, CCV, Hogan, Ward, Smith, Ince, Allen, Duffy, Ndiaye to name a few and same for the loanees that will never return. Risky but play the kids along with Gregory, Clucas, Frederici, Woods, Powell, Diouf, McClean, Etebo and Shawcross
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 4, 2019 15:54:48 GMT
I'm trying to get my head around Sam. Yes, he has been truly awful for us, but this is a striker who scored 15 goals in this league only 4 years ago. I was delighted when he joined us last year, because he's proven in this league. He's hardly over the hill at 30 and fitness aside, he was carrying no injuries that I'm aware of when he joined us. He's a muscly, bustling target man. But he needs a fox in the box to complement him. His best partnerships were with Danny Ings and Andre Gray, both of whom are those nimble type of players. With regards to attitude, who knows? Maybe he never wanted to leave Burnley and his head dropped because he was a Championship player again. He suffered an ACL injury over 5½ years ago, maybe that's taken its toll as he's gotten older. But surely a solution to our predicament is to get our £9M striker fit and motivated, and play him alongside a mobile striker. I hope MON has brought his own fitness team with him. I think a lean, hungry Vokes and Hogan partnership could get us the goals we need to stay up. They've only started one game together (the horror show at Crawley), but Hogan seemed to be played further back, almost as a centre-midfielder that day. He's had two good seasons ever. One 4 years ago and one 6 years ago. Overweight, immobile, couldn't fit a newspaper under his boots when he jumps. Averaging nearly 1-in-5 across his career - doesn't take a genius to work out that he's just not really a very good player. He's never been worth £9m, certainly not now his best days are in the rear view mirror. In-between those 4 and 6 years, he spent a large chunk of the season on the sidelines because of said ACL. It takes a while to come back from an injury like that, but he managed it and scored 15 goals. Back in the Premier League, he scored a reasonable 10 goals. His last season-and-a-half were his only lean periods for Burnley, but that's because they decided to go with one striker up top (for which Chris Wood was preferred), who then struck up a partnership with Ashley Barnes. I think Sam was unlucky. It's clear Sam can't play up top by himself, so Wood got preference and because he and Sam are of the same ilk, by the time Burnley went two up top again Barnes was considered a better foil for Wood. There was nothing to suggest in Sam's history over the past 5 years that he would ever bomb like he has for us. But it's clear there's a player in there, a top striker and MON's powers of motivation are going to be tested getting the eye of the tiger back into Sam. He's unfit, and that can be sorted in the gym. But he CAN'T play as a lone striker, he needs an agile strike partner with movement to get the best out of him. MON's preference for 4-3-3 makes me think that Sam won't get that opportunity.
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Post by threepoints on Dec 4, 2019 15:58:13 GMT
Could it be the lack of service with Vokes? Some strikers are only good in the opposition's goalmouth and can't go hunting for the ball.
I always thought that Lee Chapman was the type of player who had good positional sense around the opposition's goal but needed a constant supply of crosses or balls to his feet.
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Post by stokie223 on Dec 4, 2019 16:04:49 GMT
He's had two good seasons ever. One 4 years ago and one 6 years ago. Overweight, immobile, couldn't fit a newspaper under his boots when he jumps. Averaging nearly 1-in-5 across his career - doesn't take a genius to work out that he's just not really a very good player. He's never been worth £9m, certainly not now his best days are in the rear view mirror. In-between those 4 and 6 years, he spent a large chunk of the season on the sidelines because of said ACL. It takes a while to come back from an injury like that, but he managed it and scored 15 goals. Back in the Premier League, he scored a reasonable 10 goals. His last season-and-a-half were his only lean periods for Burnley, but that's because they decided to go with one striker up top (for which Chris Wood was preferred), who then struck up a partnership with Ashley Barnes. I think Sam was unlucky. It's clear Sam can't play up top by himself, so Wood got preference and because he and Sam are of the same ilk, by the time Burnley went two up top again Barnes was considered a better foil for Wood. There was nothing to suggest in Sam's history over the past 5 years that he would ever bomb like he has for us. But it's clear there's a player in there, a top striker and MON's powers of motivation are going to be tested getting the eye of the tiger back into Sam. He's unfit, and that can be sorted in the gym. But he CAN'T play as a lone striker, he needs an agile strike partner with movement to get the best out of him. MON's preference for 4-3-3 makes me think that Sam won't get that opportunity. Hmm... I think we would have to agree to disagree on the 'top striker' comment. As I said, two good seasons ever. One more which was average. That would mean he was poor before his ACL, and has been poor since - barring those two seasons. There was no evidence either which would suggest he'd come in and score a lot of goals - as he hasn't for years. He's always been an average target man. One thing I find so baffling is how poor his hold up play has been for us. I thought that would be his main asset. Gregory offers 10x more in that department, and he's half the size of Vokes. Another very, very poor signing for me.
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Post by nott1 on Dec 4, 2019 16:18:47 GMT
Cat o nine tails would be a useful acquisition at CW for most of these players!
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Dec 4, 2019 16:22:19 GMT
Cat o nine tails would be a useful acquisition at CW for most of these players! Absolute garbage vokes is all nathans signings have been toss
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 6, 2019 12:37:37 GMT
In-between those 4 and 6 years, he spent a large chunk of the season on the sidelines because of said ACL. It takes a while to come back from an injury like that, but he managed it and scored 15 goals. Back in the Premier League, he scored a reasonable 10 goals. His last season-and-a-half were his only lean periods for Burnley, but that's because they decided to go with one striker up top (for which Chris Wood was preferred), who then struck up a partnership with Ashley Barnes. I think Sam was unlucky. It's clear Sam can't play up top by himself, so Wood got preference and because he and Sam are of the same ilk, by the time Burnley went two up top again Barnes was considered a better foil for Wood. There was nothing to suggest in Sam's history over the past 5 years that he would ever bomb like he has for us. But it's clear there's a player in there, a top striker and MON's powers of motivation are going to be tested getting the eye of the tiger back into Sam. He's unfit, and that can be sorted in the gym. But he CAN'T play as a lone striker, he needs an agile strike partner with movement to get the best out of him. MON's preference for 4-3-3 makes me think that Sam won't get that opportunity. Hmm... I think we would have to agree to disagree on the 'top striker' comment. As I said, two good seasons ever. One more which was average. That would mean he was poor before his ACL, and has been poor since - barring those two seasons. There was no evidence either which would suggest he'd come in and score a lot of goals - as he hasn't for years. He's always been an average target man. One thing I find so baffling is how poor his hold up play has been for us. I thought that would be his main asset. Gregory offers 10x more in that department, and he's half the size of Vokes. Another very, very poor signing for me. I don't disagree with you that we expected a lot more from Vokes in his hold up and being able to link up play. We've seen none of what made his such a good 'old-fashioned' No. 9 for Burnley. But I don't buy the whole 'flash in a pan' thing either. You don't score 20 goals one season (which by the way was before the ACL), 15 goals the season after an ACL and not have the qualities of a top striker in there. Something clicked for him to reach those heights, whether it be a telepathic connection to his strike partners, wide midfielders being able to put good crosses in or just fitness and confidence. But it's down to MON to analyse this, get into his head, get him fit and decide if Vokes can be one of the players he builds a promotion-winning side around next season. I've read a few interviews from him over the past 5 years. He's a very humble guy. His Dad travels the length of the country to watch every game he plays. I don't think he'd be like Saido and just take the money whilst putting in zero effort.
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