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Post by spitthedog on Nov 10, 2019 11:52:29 GMT
To come in on the Friday, have the courage to take over for the game and to get that performance out of team with 4 goals away from home (something some of us started to wonder whether we would ever see again in our lifetimes!!!
Also to come out after the game and not make a big deal out of it (are you listening Mr.Jones!)
Brilliant start. Yes, it's just a start but that has really shown us what these players are capable of with the right approach. Thank you boss!
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Post by polofrance on Nov 10, 2019 11:56:57 GMT
Anyone know how much input Rooster and Rory had in team selection ??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 11:58:43 GMT
It’ll be interesting to know if he picked the side and you have to think he did as it’s such a change to anything else this season.
What I liked in his interview though is that he didn’t take the credit particularly and seemed humble about the whole thing. A good change.
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Post by mamasgloves on Nov 10, 2019 12:15:26 GMT
The humility to me was key. His guarded praise with a note of certain things still needing to be better having seen us score 4 away from home is just...professional.
The real deal, not some narcissistic pretender.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 12:23:43 GMT
Anyone know how much input Rooster and Rory had in team selection ?? You would imagine they had a lot of input given he only signed the day before and credit is due to them too. O’Neill was speaking to Rooster throughout the match as well. If he is not bringing many of his own staff perhaps there will be a good team there. He was calm throughout the whole game. Not jumping up and down and screaming the whole time which was nice to see but giving direction at times. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 12:25:29 GMT
In other words, it shows you what a bunch of cheats we have in the dressing room.
Great start, let's see how long the chameleons run with it before they change colour again.
The big issue will be supporting the manager when they do. We absolutely must back him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 12:26:26 GMT
In other words, it shows you what a bunch of cheats we have in the dressing room. Great start, let's see how long the chameleons run with it before they change colour again. The big issue will be supporting the manager when they do. We absolutely must back him. Not really. Jones never played a side that balanced. |
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Post by bagnallboothen on Nov 10, 2019 12:32:00 GMT
Anyone know how much input Rooster and Rory had in team selection ?? Judging by the shit show that was last Monday none. I'd imagine they'll both be moved to the academy in the next week or so. |
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Post by robstokie on Nov 10, 2019 12:38:11 GMT
Whereas Im not sure if he will be the guy who will take us to the promised land again, I guess we will find out in time - he looks to be the man who will put some pride back into our club, who will put square pegs in square holes and will instill a spine and backbone. Bonus points for not being a narcissist (Rowett) or an utterly deluded footballing evangelical (Jones) Yesterday was a massive boost for everyone involved with Stoke City, but it's only a start. We need to build on it now, and the next 4 at home are absolutely huge for our season - win 3 of them (if not 4) and we have a decent chance of survival.
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Post by mamasgloves on Nov 10, 2019 12:40:06 GMT
In other words, it shows you what a bunch of cheats we have in the dressing room. Great start, let's see how long the chameleons run with it before they change colour again. The big issue will be supporting the manager when they do. We absolutely must back him. Not at all, it just shows that like many said, 30 players weren't the problem, 1 manager was. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 10, 2019 12:40:52 GMT
Anyone know how much input Rooster and Rory had in team selection ?? Who knows but I reckon it might have had more to do with O'Neills meeting with Shawcross and Allen, amongst other things they probably filled him in on where they believed Jones was going wrong with team selection and formation ? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 10, 2019 12:42:49 GMT
I think Rob summed it up well. We've finally got a grown up in charge. It feels like a long time since we last had that.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 10, 2019 12:43:46 GMT
Apart from taking our chances for a change we didn't look that balanced. A great win under the circumstances but we still look all over the place defensively. It will take MICON several games before we start seeing what affect he is having on the team tactically but the result is masking what i thought was a poor performance against a poor team.
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Post by thehoof on Nov 10, 2019 12:55:43 GMT
In other words, it shows you what a bunch of cheats we have in the dressing room. Great start, let's see how long the chameleons run with it before they change colour again. The big issue will be supporting the manager when they do. We absolutely must back him. Not at all, it just shows that like many said, 30 players weren't the problem, 1 manager was. So after 23 games of being at best average under Rowett, and absolutely clueless for 38 games under Jones, it’s nothing to do with the players being a bit useless? Give over- we won, great but these players have got to do this on a regular basis- not a one off! |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 10, 2019 12:56:03 GMT
In other words, it shows you what a bunch of cheats we have in the dressing room. Great start, let's see how long the chameleons run with it before they change colour again. The big issue will be supporting the manager when they do. We absolutely must back him. Not really. Jones never played a side that balanced. Thought you hated 4-3-3? |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 10, 2019 12:57:14 GMT
Apart from taking our chances for a change we didn't look that balanced. A great win under the circumstances but we still look all over the place defensively. It will take MICON several games before we start seeing what affect he is having on the team tactically but the result is masking what i thought was a poor performance against a poor team. Blimey!!😮 |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 10, 2019 13:06:58 GMT
It’ll be interesting to know if he picked the side and you have to think he did as it’s such a change to anything else this season. What I liked in his interview though is that he didn’t take the credit particularly and seemed humble about the whole thing. A good change. You are correct. As I remember Waddo never boasted or took credit for what his team achieved. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 10, 2019 13:12:48 GMT
We talked about this on the long drive back. Whilst it does not let the players off the hook at all, it does show that the system(s) employed were just not right
One game and all that but stated above and elsewhere it feels like we have a grown up in charge and that can only be good for the dressing room
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Post by Widget123 on Nov 10, 2019 13:13:17 GMT
I'm over the moon with the game yesterday but realistically speaking the Albanian Colourblind Two Toed Wombat could see that the formation we've been trying to play all season was wrong for our squad. 😉
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Post by wakeypotter on Nov 10, 2019 13:20:25 GMT
Apart from taking our chances for a change we didn't look that balanced. A great win under the circumstances but we still look all over the place defensively. It will take MICON several games before we start seeing what affect he is having on the team tactically but the result is masking what i thought was a poor performance against a poor team. Blimey!!😮 You don’t know what your talking about. Maybe defensive we looked abit all over but the rest was great. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 10, 2019 13:30:26 GMT
I feel really guilty about it, but I refuse to get excited.
For three years we've had false dawns, fantastic managerial debuts and players putting in herculean performances. Every time it has been followed by a deluge of disappointment. Woods has been hailed as the missing piece on at least three different occasions now.
I dearly, dearly hope O'Neill gets it right and that both he and the players don't let us down now.
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Post by serpico on Nov 10, 2019 13:32:01 GMT
I think Rob summed it up well. We've finally got a grown up in charge. It feels like a long time since we last had that. until we lose at wigan then he becomes a clueless, whiskey nose wanker totally out of his depth  |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 10, 2019 13:32:46 GMT
Let’s be honest though, it doesn’t take a magician to work out the diamond is a flawed system.
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Post by mamasgloves on Nov 10, 2019 13:39:00 GMT
Not at all, it just shows that like many said, 30 players weren't the problem, 1 manager was. So after 23 games of being at best average under Rowett, and absolutely clueless for 38 games under Jones, it’s nothing to do with the players being a bit useless? Give over- we won, great but these players have got to do this on a regular basis- not a one off! They do. I never saw them look that genuinely threatening under the previous two managers at any point though, let alone their first game |
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Post by mamasgloves on Nov 10, 2019 13:39:58 GMT
It’ll be interesting to know if he picked the side and you have to think he did as it’s such a change to anything else this season. What I liked in his interview though is that he didn’t take the credit particularly and seemed humble about the whole thing. A good change. You are correct. As I remember Waddo never boasted or took credit for what his team achieved. Good leaders never do |
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 10, 2019 13:52:12 GMT
We will have to see how the team settle after what could possibly be the 'new manager bounce-back' scenario.
MicON's post match interview definitely represents a more grown up approach to things,though, and that is a very good start to his tenure when combined with such an outstanding first result at the helm.
Giving the away fans such as Suffolk above some reward for their stoicism is a wonderful way to start his tenure so BIG fingers crossed it will now be onwards and upwards and hopefully it will also encourage and enthuse our board of directors too, given the difficulties they have been trying to overcome after 2/3 seasons of dramatic decline.
None of us have a crystal ball but the result yesterday is a very promising spring board for everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 14:00:15 GMT
In other words, it shows you what a bunch of cheats we have in the dressing room. Great start, let's see how long the chameleons run with it before they change colour again. The big issue will be supporting the manager when they do. We absolutely must back him. Not at all, it just shows that like many said, 30 players weren't the problem, 1 manager was. I really didn't want to start saying things like this, because we bloody needed that win and it shouldn't be anything to do with Jones/Rowett/any other previous boss. But that performance was bloody lucky compared with some games this season. I have seen us perform better than yesterday on at least 6 or 7 occasions this season. I cannot watch what I saw yesterday and think it's suddenly fixed or even much better from that one game. We played relatively well, and for once we actually won. I will absolutely take a lucky manager, and I'm hoping it's a perfect catalyst for him. We should be enjoying it instead of using it to rewrite history and pretend it was our first acceptable performance of the season. It isn't about comparing O'Neill and Jones, because the Jones debate has been done to death. |
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Post by kronkie on Nov 10, 2019 14:07:32 GMT
I feel really guilty about it, but I refuse to get excited. For three years we've had false dawns, fantastic managerial debuts and players putting in herculean performances. Every time it has been followed by a deluge of disappointment. Woods has been hailed as the missing piece on at least three different occasions now. I dearly, dearly hope O'Neill gets it right and that both he and the players don't let us down now. This is so true, dont forget under Jones we went and beat Leeds and what happened after that is not good history, I really really hope the the new manager is going to change things but remember, one swallow doesn't make a summer. |
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Post by rawli on Nov 10, 2019 14:21:26 GMT
Anyone know how much input Rooster and Rory had in team selection ?? Hopefully none after their bollocks against West Brom. |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 10, 2019 14:27:44 GMT
I think Rob summed it up well. We've finally got a grown up in charge. It feels like a long time since we last had that. Managers should be greying, balding, or both. |
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