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Post by greystokie on Oct 22, 2019 10:41:21 GMT
Some seem to think the ONLY reason we were losing was that McClean was in the side. Strange. You're right, he isn't the only reason but he has been culpable in a lot of the goals we've conceded.
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Post by noustie on Oct 22, 2019 10:47:33 GMT
Although BMI is a bit of a square peg in a round hole and isn’t really mobile enough to play left back in a diamond we have looked loads better because McClean can’t play left back at all. All season teams have either targeted crossing it from his side with all the time in the world and exploiting Edwards who isn’t great in the air or crossed it from our right to the back post where McClean is posted missing completely. It’s compounded further in that McClean was probably one of our better players in these early games and still couldn’t manage what was expected of him within the formation. The other noticeable thing is Allen seems a lot steadier too as he isn’t trying to cover left back within this dog chasing a laser pen routine. If Jones takes McClean back in at left back then he’ll be risking the momentum we’ve currently got on a ham-fisted notion he’s had that simply and blatantly obviously doesn’t work. More of 4 at the back up seems to give players more confidence in this formation I think it’s also that we seem to go into a flat midfield four more often out of possession too and everyone seems to know what was expected of them. When we played four at the back with the diamond out of possession both full backs didn’t know whether to stick or twist and ended up doing neither so in transition you could drive a bus down the channels. Allen seemed to be trying to cover for there being no wide midfielder or, a full back out of position or, both which left even bigger hole in midfield. Even in a flat back four the full backs particularly seemed have a vague concept of what was expected but couldn’t implement it at all with McClean particularly exposed by the opposition. It isn’t perfect but BMI with his @rse parked at left back definitely seems to have steadied things. I’d say dropping Butland has probably helped too as trust in him must be shot to absolute pieces.
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Post by ursemboys on Oct 22, 2019 10:48:49 GMT
Jones made a comment in his presser that Bruno was struggling after Saturday. If he's out it's pretty likely McClean will come back. Fingers crossed for Bruno. If Bruno is struggling I'd play Clucas at left back and draft Woods into Midfield Clucas yes, but woods not a chance.
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Post by lordb on Oct 22, 2019 11:12:13 GMT
If Bruno is struggling I'd play Clucas at left back and draft Woods into Midfield Clucas yes, but woods not a chance. If Bruno out agree Clucas is next best left back option. Drop Allen back alongside Etebo and bring in Powell or Duffy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 11:49:26 GMT
He said on Saturday after the win that the team that played then he would love to play for the rest of the season barring injury, l hope he doesn't renege on that statement. You can’t trust anything Jones says. He might sort of mean it the second he says it, but then another thought comes into his mind and then another, and before you know it, he’s changed his winning formula beyond recognition.
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Post by wherty on Oct 22, 2019 11:50:15 GMT
It’s gonna be the same starting 11 so don’t worry folks 😃 No it's not.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Oct 22, 2019 12:00:42 GMT
He's not shit, but is no left back.
The major reason for losing games is he didn't stop the crosses coming onto the box. He played better up front (under Rowett?) than at left fucking back.
He's a left mid/winger, let him earn he place there.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2019 12:04:09 GMT
It’s gonna be the same starting 11 so don’t worry folks 😃 No it's not. Who's going to be dropped then?
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 22, 2019 12:11:39 GMT
He shouldn’t play for us at all, regardless of what position. He’s shit. Took the words right out of my mouth. Rarely seen a player lacking in so much technical ability, but because he runs about a bit he’s excused. I wish there was a way of fusing him and Tom Ince....then we would have a half decent footballer out of the two of them.
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 22, 2019 12:13:30 GMT
Noooooooooooooooooooooo he’s wank
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Post by kustokie on Oct 22, 2019 12:46:25 GMT
Although BMI is a bit of a square peg in a round hole and isn’t really mobile enough to play left back in a diamond we have looked loads better because McClean can’t play left back at all. All season teams have either targeted crossing it from his side with all the time in the world and exploiting Edwards who isn’t great in the air or crossed it from our right to the back post where McClean is posted missing completely. It’s compounded further in that McClean was probably one of our better players in these early games and still couldn’t manage what was expected of him within the formation. The other noticeable thing is Allen seems a lot steadier too as he isn’t trying to cover left back within this dog chasing a laser pen routine. If Jones takes McClean back in at left back then he’ll be risking the momentum we’ve currently got on a ham-fisted notion he’s had that simply and blatantly obviously doesn’t work. Nail on head!
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 22, 2019 13:09:56 GMT
I don't think anyone's said it's the sole reason to be fair, but we have played two games without him, won both, played well in both and the guy that's replaced him has given a good account of himself. Why upset the apple cart? I agree but the constant McClean bashing just winds me up, some just want to blame him for everything. I blame Rowett for bringing him here!
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Post by stokie223 on Oct 22, 2019 13:22:54 GMT
He's not shit, but is no left back. The major reason for losing games is he didn't stop the crosses coming onto the box. He played better up front (under Rowett?) than at left fucking back. He's a left mid/winger, let him earn he place there. He definitely is shit. His woeful return of goals & assists across his career should illustrate that. One of the worst players I've ever seen live. Completely devoid of any technical ability.
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 22, 2019 13:28:13 GMT
I don’t see anyway that McLean comes back into this team
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Post by robstokie on Oct 22, 2019 13:45:35 GMT
More of 4 at the back up seems to give players more confidence in this formation I think it’s also that we seem to go into a flat midfield four more often out of possession too and everyone seems to know what was expected of them. When we played four at the back with the diamond out of possession both full backs didn’t know whether to stick or twist and ended up doing neither so in transition you could drive a bus down the channels. Allen seemed to be trying to cover for there being no wide midfielder or, a full back out of position or, both which left even bigger hole in midfield. Even in a flat back four the full backs particularly seemed have a vague concept of what was expected but couldn’t implement it at all with McClean particularly exposed by the opposition. It isn’t perfect but BMI with his @rse parked at left back definitely seems to have steadied things. I’d say dropping Butland has probably helped too as trust in him must be shot to absolute pieces. That's true - Clucas and Etebo will slot in front of the fullbacks, Joe will slot in alongside Badou and the 2 Strikers split to pressure the centre-halves if they try to play it out from the back.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2019 14:10:09 GMT
I agree but the constant McClean bashing just winds me up, some just want to blame him for everything. I blame Rowett for bringing him here! But Rowett "did well" though.
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Post by ursemboys on Oct 22, 2019 14:31:27 GMT
I agree but the constant McClean bashing just winds me up, some just want to blame him for everything. I blame Rowett for bringing him here! Thats fair enough but while he is here he is a stoke player who gives his all nobody can say he doesnt .
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Post by ursemboys on Oct 22, 2019 14:33:41 GMT
He's not shit, but is no left back. The major reason for losing games is he didn't stop the crosses coming onto the box. He played better up front (under Rowett?) than at left fucking back. He's a left mid/winger, let him earn he place there. He definitely is shit. His woeful return of goals & assists across his career should illustrate that. One of the worst players I've ever seen live. Completely devoid of any technical ability. you aint been watching Stoke very long then if you truly believe he is, but then again you did say one of the worst so that puts you on the fence
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 22, 2019 14:38:32 GMT
He's not shit, but is no left back. The major reason for losing games is he didn't stop the crosses coming onto the box. He played better up front (under Rowett?) than at left fucking back. He's a left mid/winger, let him earn he place there. He definitely is shit. His woeful return of goals & assists across his career should illustrate that. One of the worst players I've ever seen live. Completely devoid of any technical ability. You never saw Davy Rowson then.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 22, 2019 14:57:28 GMT
I blame Rowett for bringing him here! But Rowett "did well" though.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 22, 2019 14:59:45 GMT
I blame Rowett for bringing him here! Thats fair enough but while he is here he is a stoke player who gives his all nobody can say he doesnt . Nobody questions his commitment, just his quality.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2019 15:05:03 GMT
But Rowett "did well" though. Rob I was just paraphrasing a well known poster who on another thread yesterday reckoned he'd done well or did he say he was poor? Actually both.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 15:22:33 GMT
Woke up in a good frame of mind, until I saw this post. Then a white van man wound me up, not giving way, when the obstacle was on his side of the road. Bar steward!
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 22, 2019 15:23:42 GMT
Rob I was just paraphrasing a well known poster who on another thread yesterday reckoned he'd done well or did he say he was poor? Actually both. I think we both can agree Rowett was a disappointment, especially when we consider the squad he inherited and the money he was given to spend. Despite of this his stats are much better than NJ's so far, but let's hope we have have turned our fortunes around now.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 22, 2019 15:27:16 GMT
I blame Rowett for bringing him here! But Rowett "did well" though. You wouldn't let it lie!
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Post by stokie223 on Oct 22, 2019 15:50:28 GMT
He definitely is shit. His woeful return of goals & assists across his career should illustrate that. One of the worst players I've ever seen live. Completely devoid of any technical ability. you aint been watching Stoke very long then if you truly believe he is, but then again you did say one of the worst so that puts you on the fence He is certainly up there amongst the worst, in terms of technical ability, that I've seen at any level in the 20+ years I've been watching football properly. Attitude, fitness, guts, grit, determination - he has all of those in abundance, but that doesn't make him a good footballer. He can't control a ball, can't pass, can't shoot... he's awful. The stats over his career back that up too.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2019 15:57:35 GMT
But Rowett "did well" though. You wouldn't let it lie! It's not often you get concrete, uncontrovertable proof written in his own fair hand within 2 posts of one another on the same thread where he makes a totally contradictory statement to the previous one. Normally they are weeks and threads apart where you can't be arsed to trawl back to prove he's bullshitting. I have the Rowett thread saved for posterity.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 22, 2019 17:21:48 GMT
Done absolutely nothing to warrant coming back into the side. Lost the ball 25 times playing for Ireland in the International break and was roundly slated.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 22, 2019 17:30:00 GMT
Done absolutely nothing to warrant coming back into the side. Lost the ball 25 times playing for Ireland in the International break and was roundly slated. If Nath decides that he needs shoe horning back into the side tonight, then he deserves to be ridiculed beyond belief
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 22, 2019 17:48:34 GMT
Done absolutely nothing to warrant coming back into the side. Lost the ball 25 times playing for Ireland in the International break and was roundly slated. If Nath decides that he needs shoe horning back into the side tonight, then he deserves to be ridiculed beyond belief Stephen Ward is starting.
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