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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 3, 2019 18:06:23 GMT
This situation with NJ remaining has the potential to get quite damaging both in regard to league status but also the relationship with the fans. Many are angry.
A win on Saturday would be great, but the risk of a loss and further indecision from the board could create a real divide between club and fans.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 18:07:31 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic.
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Post by lordb on Oct 3, 2019 18:10:26 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic. Yup. Barely got booed off the other night.
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Post by DansViews on Oct 3, 2019 18:11:08 GMT
I still really want him to turn it around.
I just don't think he can.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 3, 2019 18:11:48 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic. Yup. Barely got booed off the other night. True, but I think it’s brought on by pure disbelief. Anger could follow that emotion
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 3, 2019 18:12:04 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic. Yup. Barely got booed off the other night. That's because everyone leaves when the opposition score (I know I certainly did on Tuesday night).
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Post by desman2 on Oct 3, 2019 18:12:34 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 18:13:17 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic. I definitely am. When we were getting relegated from the premiership I wanted us to survive so fucking badly. When FT blew on relegation day I had to work hard not to cry. Today though I’ve gone from anticipating Jones’ departure to thinking I actually like the idea of him staying just through morbid curiosity. It’s a fucked up way to feel about your own club but the last few years have numbed me. I almost want things to get much worse in the hope the feeling might come back.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Oct 3, 2019 18:15:00 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. I think that's highly likely.
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Post by Absolution on Oct 3, 2019 18:16:42 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. I think that's highly likely. £9m for Vokes. Neither use nor ornament.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Oct 3, 2019 18:16:48 GMT
This situation with NJ remaining has the potential to get quite damaging both in regard to league status but also the relationship with the fans. Many are angry. A win on Saturday would be great, but the risk of a loss and further indecision from the board could create a real divide between club and fans. I wouldn't worry too much. We are about as likely to win on Saturday as... ...Mrs Brown's Boys ever raising a titter.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 3, 2019 18:19:40 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. I can't believe Jordan Cousins was anything other than a Jones signing and was a key player in his plans pre-season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 18:21:55 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic. I definitely am. When we were getting relegated from the premiership I wanted us to survive so fucking badly. When FT blew on relegation day I had to work hard not to cry. Today though I’ve gone from anticipating Jones’ departure to thinking I actually like the idea of him staying just through morbid curiosity. It’s a fucked up way to feel about your own club but the last few years have numbed me. I almost want things to get much worse in the hope the feeling might come back. Bang on how I feel. I've gone to 1 home game this year. I've got a ST and literally used it once. I'm not even bothered that I've wasted my money. I really couldn't care less. I detest most of the players. The matchday experience is bollocks. I was tempted to go vs. Forest but like you said, it was more out of morbid curiosity. Since god-knows-when, my weekends have revolved around football. I've taken up Fishing again, and I never thought I'd ever say it, but I enjoy it more than football.
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 3, 2019 18:24:48 GMT
This has the feeling of Alex Ferguson at Man Utd about it.
Who am I kidding 😂
For what it’s worth, I like jones and really want him to do well, his ‘philosophy’ of how he wants to play is exactly what us fans want. But worry it’s right man wrong time.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Oct 3, 2019 18:25:30 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic. I definitely am. When we were getting relegated from the premiership I wanted us to survive so fucking badly. When FT blew on relegation day I had to work hard not to cry. Today though I’ve gone from anticipating Jones’ departure to thinking I actually like the idea of him staying just through morbid curiosity. It’s a fucked up way to feel about your own club but the last few years have numbed me. I almost want things to get much worse in the hope the feeling might come back. On the money mate, just how I feel, especially the morbid curiosity as to how bad it could get as a way to purge us of all the the shite.
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Post by DodgyDino on Oct 3, 2019 18:26:44 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. That's not what Liam Lawrence was saying....he says all the managers since Mark Hughes have full control over signings and it started to go belly up after Scholes n Cartright relinquished control of signings during Mark Hughes reign:-/
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Post by stonescfc on Oct 3, 2019 18:32:39 GMT
I definitely am. When we were getting relegated from the premiership I wanted us to survive so fucking badly. When FT blew on relegation day I had to work hard not to cry. Today though I’ve gone from anticipating Jones’ departure to thinking I actually like the idea of him staying just through morbid curiosity. It’s a fucked up way to feel about your own club but the last few years have numbed me. I almost want things to get much worse in the hope the feeling might come back. Bang on how I feel. I've gone to 1 home game this year. I've got a ST and literally used it once. I'm not even bothered that I've wasted my money. I really couldn't care less. I detest most of the players. The matchday experience is bollocks. I was tempted to go vs. Forest but like you said, it was more out of morbid curiosity. Since god-knows-when, my weekends have revolved around football. I've taken up Fishing again, and I never thought I'd ever say it, but I enjoy it more than football.
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Post by AlliG on Oct 3, 2019 18:40:22 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. I can't imagine anyone at the club (other than Jones) sat down and thought "I know. Let's go and get Cousins"
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 3, 2019 19:22:22 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic. Yup. Barely got booed off the other night. Silence felt right imo and I just couldn't join in that booing of Jones. It was like slaughtering Bambi.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 3, 2019 19:50:30 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. The thing that goes against this is they nearly all have some sort of link to the manager, the same with Rowett, its clear they're managers picks.
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Post by future100 on Oct 4, 2019 5:31:44 GMT
Mike Pejic, Liam Lawrence and Terry Conroy have all stated on radio that the manager has full control over signings yet people still make totally unsubstantiated claims that someone else is behind these bloody awful signings. How many people on here think that in his current,possibly career ending, situation that Nathan Jones would not be blaming other people if that were the case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 8:00:23 GMT
Mike Pejic, Liam Lawrence and Terry Conroy have all stated on radio that the manager has full control over signings yet people still make totally unsubstantiated claims that someone else is behind these bloody awful signings. How many people on here think that in his current,possibly career ending, situation that Nathan Jones would not be blaming other people if that were the case. I don’t believe he would ever blame others for his own mistakes. Things may not be going well but it’s refreshing to hear a manager apologising for his own failures. These players are his signings. I’m still hoping he will turn things around
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Post by Danstoke82 on Oct 4, 2019 8:01:56 GMT
This situation with NJ remaining has the potential to get quite damaging both in regard to league status but also the relationship with the fans. Many are angry. A win on Saturday would be great, but the risk of a loss and further indecision from the board could create a real divide between club and fans. I see what you're saying but can any of us see a win happening? Its such a shame it has got to this point.
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Post by SCFC92 on Oct 4, 2019 8:05:47 GMT
I think yesterdays circus has damaged alot.
I see myself as quite level headed the majority of the time, however I am aghast at the decisions from the club, not over their decision on Jones, but by not communicating with the fans and publicly backing their manager if he is going into another important game in charge of OUR club.
It's left me furious at the owners.
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Post by thehoof on Oct 4, 2019 8:07:41 GMT
This situation with NJ remaining has the potential to get quite damaging both in regard to league status but also the relationship with the fans. Many are angry. A win on Saturday would be great, but the risk of a loss and further indecision from the board could create a real divide between club and fans. I see what you're saying but can any of us see a win happening? Its such a shame it has got to this point. I think apathy has won. We don’t know whether a new manager would get a sufficiently better tune out of this bunch of want away, has been, never were footballers- but it would be extremely difficult to do any worse.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 4, 2019 8:10:16 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. I think they may have been “his” players but his budget was very limited hence a lot of the signings were risks that havent paid off like Lindsey and Cousins. I also think that the local law firm who appear close to the club have an impact on signings. The problem NJ has is that he can never really tell the truth because he’ll lose out on his payoff if he does. I think it’s fair to say that the past 3 managers have been “gagged” and that it’s clear the problems go beyond just the manager. It’ll just never come out and that’s the reason ex players won’t go into to much detail due to the risk of being sued. I think our greed re asking too much for Butland in particular will cost us hugely. Who ever does our buying and selling has really messed up over these deals and we’re left with the worst scenario a player who doesn’t want to be here, in poor form who’s value is dropping by the game. In the case of Butland I wouldn’t be surprised if his drop in form has occurred to manoeuvre himself a move at a cheaper price. Who knows what’s been said between him and other “interested” parties I I I wouldn’t be surprised if in Jan he gets a move to Bournemouth for say 4-5m and gets his form back. Only conjecture of course.
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Post by PolPotter on Oct 4, 2019 8:21:28 GMT
All this shite was written on the wall when Hughes fell asleep long before the defeat at Coventry.
It will take another relegation and change of leadership before we're ever talking about being an established Championship side again.
Give up hoping and speculating. Let it runs it's course...
Coates is going full circle.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Oct 4, 2019 8:23:59 GMT
I think yesterdays circus has damaged alot. I see myself as quite level headed the majority of the time, however I am aghast at the decisions from the club, not over their decision on Jones, but by not communicating with the fans and publicly backing their manager if he is going into another important game in charge of OUR club. It's left me furious at the owners. Nail & Head for me......
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 4, 2019 8:32:08 GMT
As some others have posted my personal experience is that anger has changed to general apathy, many are completely disillusioned with the club, in particular it’s hierarchy.
Following Tuesday night’s game I got to the pub before many others, as the pub door opened and supporters started trickle in there was no comment, just a sigh or grimace.
Sitting in the lower tier of the Q railing (or whatever it is) there were swathes of empty seats, all season ticket holders, the corporate area was half empty.
The club has got a massive challenge to arrest and reverse its decline. There’s a few thousand watching and waiting for the next instalment.
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Post by abcd1234 on Oct 4, 2019 8:38:06 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. I think the same, I dont think Jones signed players like Hogan and Tommy Smith, he had these players dumped on him. There is no way he has signed Hogan and then left him out of the starting lineup for months, they're not his players and he has no faith in them.
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