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Post by Goonie on Oct 4, 2019 8:45:48 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic. I used to be apathetic but I just couldn't be bothered now 😎 I think resignation to League One or being a mid-table mediocre Championship side is slowly dawning on most
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 4, 2019 8:47:57 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. I can't believe Jordan Cousins was anything other than a Jones signing and was a key player in his plans pre-season. They are 100% his signings. The board have backed him.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 4, 2019 9:02:09 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. The problem NJ has is that he can never really tell the truth because he’ll lose out on his payoff if he does. I think it’s fair to say that the past 3 managers have been “gagged” and that it’s clear the problems go beyond just the manager. It’ll just never come out and that’s the reason ex players won’t go into to much detail due to the risk of being sued. Isn't a non-disclosure agreement separate from the main payoff, or does it normally form part of the terms of severance? In other words, could NJ choose not to sign an NDA but still be entitled to his payoff if sacked?
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Post by Gods on Oct 4, 2019 9:07:57 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. If there was a set budget why didn't we sign 4 good players not 12 average ones ? It's not like we are short of warm bodies Also 12 players is 3x the wages of 4 notwithstanding transfer fees. And I believe wages over say 4 years are typically by far the larger element of any player purchase. We must be losing money at a terrifying rate.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 4, 2019 9:18:17 GMT
Assume we win tomorrow.
Would the feeling of supporters be:
a) Great stuff... let's go on a run now and put some results together etc... Come on Nathan son etc..
or
b) Sh*t ….. we're stuck with him now until Xmas at least.
Interesting to know what the general concensus would be.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 4, 2019 9:23:47 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. Even if this is the case , and I’m reasonably convinced it isn’t, it’s still his fault for taking the job on those terms.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 4, 2019 9:25:06 GMT
Assume we win tomorrow. Would the feeling of supporters be: a) Great stuff... let's go on a run now and put some results together etc... Come on Nathan son etc.. or b) Sh*t ….. we're stuck with him now until Xmas at least. Interesting to know what the general concensus would be. or c) ……..yeah - and?
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Post by thevoid on Oct 4, 2019 9:28:01 GMT
Looks like eyes are starting to turn towards the board, and about time too.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 4, 2019 22:43:33 GMT
I'm still convinced that the players who were signed were not chosen by Jones. I think the hierarchy looked at players who would be out of contract and got them rather than pay transfer fees to clubs, for the nippy young players Jones was talking about and as a result it's screwed up his plans. Like other managers before him, these players don't get selected. If there was a set budget why didn't we sign 4 good players not 12 average ones ? It's not like we are short of warm bodies Also 12 players is 3x the wages of 4 notwithstanding transfer fees. And I believe wages over say 4 years are typically by far the larger element of any player purchase. We must be losing money at a terrifying rate. And we will very soon be paying 3 managers all at the same time. Its a total fuck bucket.
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Post by rawli on Oct 4, 2019 23:16:38 GMT
Yup. Barely got booed off the other night. That's because everyone leaves when the opposition score (I know I certainly did on Tuesday night). There were still people clapping him off on Tuesday. Whether they were just saying thanks for trying your best and mot expecting to see him again or whether they are crazy is anyone's guess.
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Post by questionable on Oct 5, 2019 7:11:59 GMT
The fans pretty much reflect the players the rots set in and all in all nobody is remotely bothered anymore, it’s pretty much a given now how results will go.
Yes there’s people who claim to be in the know but a number of years ago under a different user name I told a number of people what I’d heard “the process was”, it was hilarious but one filled with pie in the sky stuff and wreaked of pompous stinking attitudes.
Believe me nothing will change with the current set up behind the scenes, the phrase “stupid does as stupid says” fits perfectly.
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Post by jebbstuart on Oct 5, 2019 8:02:41 GMT
Tbh dont give a shit now. No leadership at the club feel nothing except contempt towards the powers that be. If your not intreasted then sell up. Will i be back we will see but with this shower of shite spending my weekends doing something enjoyable instead. Looking forward to going to accrington stanley tho!
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Post by stokeykez on Oct 5, 2019 8:12:01 GMT
Assume we win tomorrow. Would the feeling of supporters be: a) Great stuff... let's go on a run now and put some results together etc... Come on Nathan son etc.. or b) Sh*t ….. we're stuck with him now until Xmas at least. Interesting to know what the general concensus would be. Itll be a b from me, the probability of getting a season to kick start following no change are very slim, I'm completely tired off with everything to do with stoke atm, everything they have done over the last 3-4years has turned to shit. Dreadful club for decision making He has to go to get an new impetus behind us (again)
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Post by stokeykez on Oct 5, 2019 8:13:53 GMT
That's because everyone leaves when the opposition score (I know I certainly did on Tuesday night). There were still people clapping him off on Tuesday. Whether they were just saying thanks for trying your best and mot expecting to see him again or whether they are crazy is anyone's guess. Because they have been brainwashed by hos constant im this, I'm that,stood in disbelief whilst others clapped, so I did get my pitch in with fuck off out of our club now Jones rant
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 5, 2019 8:47:45 GMT
I think a good proportion are now just apathetic. I used to be apathetic but I just couldn't be bothered now 😎 I think resignation to League One or being a mid-table mediocre Championship side is slowly dawning on most I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing. Rowett and Jones have had a hard job made harder by the expectation of promotion. If reality does bite and mid table in the Championship starts to look like a realistic target maybe the anger at not walking the league will start to dissipate, the fans will get behind the club and the next manager will be cut a bit more slack to get on with a very difficult job. Before we got promoted to the Premiership there was no sense of entitlement - the fans appreciated the efforts of the players and the manager and there was a realistic understanding of just how hard it was to get promoted out of the Championship. That first year back in the Championship was tough and I don't recall anger or apathy just fans getting behind a side struggling to cope with the realities of being in a very tough competitive league. That desire to get behind the club and cheer them on to survival has gone - damned as happy clapping and a lack of ambition. Maybe the club needs a reset. Here goes - ALT CTRL DEL....did that do the trick...
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Post by Goonie on Oct 5, 2019 9:24:21 GMT
I used to be apathetic but I just couldn't be bothered now 😎 I think resignation to League One or being a mid-table mediocre Championship side is slowly dawning on most I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing. Rowett and Jones have had a hard job made harder by the expectation of promotion. If reality does bite and mid table in the Championship starts to look like a realistic target maybe the anger at not walking the league will start to dissipate, the fans will get behind the club and the next manager will be cut a bit more slack to get on with a very difficult job. Before we got promoted to the Premiership there was no sense of entitlement - the fans appreciated the efforts of the players and the manager and there was a realistic understanding of just how hard it was to get promoted out of the Championship. That first year back in the Championship was tough and I don't recall anger or apathy just fans getting behind a side struggling to cope with the realities of being in a very tough competitive league. That desire to get behind the club and cheer them on to survival has gone - damned as happy clapping and a lack of ambition. Maybe the club needs a reset. Here goes - ALT CTRL DEL....did that do the trick... Great post "Before we got promoted to the Premiership there was no sense of entitlement" I think you nailed it here I was deluded enough to believe we'd romp the league (£50m helped fuel the delusion) Who ever needs to come in now has to manage expectations It all started to go wrong after Leicester won the title! Everyone thought "Why can't we?" And the rest is history
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