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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 28, 2019 8:06:49 GMT
To think Butland started as a Rugby player first if I'm not mistaken. He's become a sad state of affairs. Certainly handles a football like a rugby ball!!!
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Post by adi on Sept 28, 2019 8:08:48 GMT
Welcome to the Jones Out brigade. Please don't associate me with them, they'll be on the next managers case too from the get go. That’s daft. A new manager should get time to unfuck this club. Jones for example has had everything he’s asked for, a pre season, his own players, then he’s asked to be judged, which people have obliged with.
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Post by Davef on Sept 28, 2019 8:12:42 GMT
Welcome to the Jones Out brigade. Please don't associate me with them, they'll be on the next managers case too from the get go. We've gone ten home games without a win the first time in our history, we haven't scored three times for 82 games, We've conceded two goals or more in each of our last nine home matches, we've dropped from top ten in the Premier League to the relegation places in the Championship in just over three years and we've filled our squad with some utter dirge. And your only thought is to slag off the supporters. You're the very worst kind of supporter.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 28, 2019 8:14:47 GMT
Please don't associate me with them, they'll be on the next managers case too from the get go. That’s daft. A new manager should get time to unfuck this club. Jones for example has had everything he’s asked for, a pre season, his own players, then he’s asked to be judged, which people have obliged with. People were judging 3 games into a season but we have come to expect that now, same happended with rowett. Same will happen with the next appointment if he doesn't hit the ground running. It's going to be someone we won't have to pay compo for, for sure. We're in Mccarthy, McClaren & Holloway territory now. If we are really 'lucky' we get moyes or allardyce. This hughton love in baffles me... if only we had kept GR.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 8:14:48 GMT
I hate signalling individual players out but that was shocking from Jack again Why keep playing him? Take him out for a few weeks to get his head together Need to sub him now He needs more than a few weeks out, I’d be looking at 3 months minimum.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 28, 2019 8:16:38 GMT
Please don't associate me with them, they'll be on the next managers case too from the get go. We've gone ten home games without a win the first time in our history, we haven't scored three times for 82 games, We've conceded two goals or more in each of our last nine home matches, we've dropped from top ten in the Premier League to the relegation places in the Championship in just over three years and we've filled our squad with some utter dirge. And your only thought is to slag off the supporters. You're the very worst kind of supporter. I never wanted rowett out, I wonder where we would be now if your type of classier supporter didn't hound him out for not playing the boy wonder? Don't kid yourself that that wasn't a major influence.
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Post by milly on Sept 28, 2019 8:29:38 GMT
What has happened to Lindsey?
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Post by jeycov on Sept 28, 2019 8:55:08 GMT
I like Jack but hes having a terrible time of it. As normal we watched the warm up and the confident clean handling of everything has long since disappeared. He had a mare in last nights warm up. I know it's only a warm up but it's a sign of things to come and where a player is at. Jack just looks like the shell of what he was. He was there but he wasnt really there if you get me. His demeanour has totally changed from last season and seasons before. He was still great with my little lad as he always is, but he looks down. He isnt his normal chirpy self. Whoever comes in as new manager has to take Jack out of the firing line for a month or so and see if we can get him back to his best. We know Federici is crap so they simply have to give Davies a chance to show how good or bad he is. We’d probably be in league one now if it wasn’t for Butlands performances last season Agree take him out of the firing line for a few games A major problem is the full backs imo, he has no confidence in them and this is contributing to his lack of belief
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 28, 2019 9:01:59 GMT
What has happened to Lindsey? Another one crippled by the fear of doing something wrong
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 28, 2019 9:15:17 GMT
I like Jack but hes having a terrible time of it. As normal we watched the warm up and the confident clean handling of everything has long since disappeared. He had a mare in last nights warm up. I know it's only a warm up but it's a sign of things to come and where a player is at. Jack just looks like the shell of what he was. He was there but he wasnt really there if you get me. His demeanour has totally changed from last season and seasons before. He was still great with my little lad as he always is, but he looks down. He isnt his normal chirpy self. Whoever comes in as new manager has to take Jack out of the firing line for a month or so and see if we can get him back to his best. We know Federici is crap so they simply have to give Davies a chance to show how good or bad he is. We’d probably be in league one now if it wasn’t for Butlands performances last season Agree take him out of the firing line for a few games A major problem is the full backs imo, he has no confidence in them and this is contributing to his lack of belief Undoubtedly players you play with can affect your confidence, but equally if the team don't know what Jack is going to do, he will affect them as well. As I approached the end of my playing days I was really struggling to pick the straight high ball. That hesitation was costing us goals for a few weeks running. I was fortunate enough to play with 2 excellent centre halves and between us we decided that if I made a big positive call, they would get out of the way or clear the path for me to come and get it. If I didn't shout or if my shout was late or tentative, they'd head it clear. Those 2 lads enabled me to play longer than I should have done as my ability had almost totally gone. It's called being a team and teammates help each other out. Ultimately, that is where we fail and why we always concede goals in bunches over 10-15 minute spells.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 28, 2019 10:11:50 GMT
We’d probably be in league one now if it wasn’t for Butlands performances last season Agree take him out of the firing line for a few games A major problem is the full backs imo, he has no confidence in them and this is contributing to his lack of belief Undoubtedly players you play with can affect your confidence, but equally if the team don't know what Jack is going to do, he will affect them as well. As I approached the end of my playing days I was really struggling to pick the straight high ball. That hesitation was costing us goals for a few weeks running. I was fortunate enough to play with 2 excellent centre halves and between us we decided that if I made a big positive call, they would get out of the way or clear the path for me to come and get it. If I didn't shout or if my shout was late or tentative, they'd head it clear. Those 2 lads enabled me to play longer than I should have done as my ability had almost totally gone. It's called being a team and teammates help each other out. Ultimately, that is where we fail and why we always concede goals in bunches over 10-15 minute spells. You play at a decent level Dave?
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Post by samuel32 on Sept 28, 2019 10:39:52 GMT
Why is Butland still getting in the team? He’s costing us game after game. He’s not even making the saves that apparently make him a good keeper. Stop this fucking madness
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Post by samuel32 on Sept 28, 2019 10:45:23 GMT
This says everything you need to know. Stop playing the same old players who make the same old mistakes Have the opposition had a shot at our goal this season that hasn't ended up in the back of the net? I genuinely can't think of a single save Jack Butland has made, it seems to be the case that so long as our opponents get their shot on target, they'll score. Last night's match stats according to BBC: Home TeamStokeAway TeamNottm Forest Possession Home57%Away43% Shots Home23Away6 Shots on Target Home8Away4 Corners Home9Away3 Fouls Home9Away16 Stats don't win matches but backs up the point about teams not needing many shots on target to score the goals they do. As a further example, Charlton: Home TeamCharltonAway TeamStoke Possession Home46%Away54% Shots Home5Away12 Shots on Target Home3Away3 Corners Home1Away4 Fouls Home10Away11 Not sure how to get these for the season to date, I presume there is away and someone will find it to post it ... would be interesting to see.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 28, 2019 10:48:50 GMT
The faith shown in Butland I think is partly motivated by the fact he’s an asset the club are still trying to advertise and get a good price for. The trouble is his form has dropped so much no one will fucking touch him. Jones’ commitment to him and others has been a bug part of his downfall.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 28, 2019 10:52:05 GMT
I like Jack but hes having a terrible time of it. As normal we watched the warm up and the confident clean handling of everything has long since disappeared. He had a mare in last nights warm up. I know it's only a warm up but it's a sign of things to come and where a player is at. Jack just looks like the shell of what he was. He was there but he wasnt really there if you get me. His demeanour has totally changed from last season and seasons before. He was still great with my little lad as he always is, but he looks down. He isnt his normal chirpy self. Whoever comes in as new manager has to take Jack out of the firing line for a month or so and see if we can get him back to his best. We know Federici is crap so they simply have to give Davies a chance to show how good or bad he is. We’d probably be in league one now if it wasn’t for Butlands performances last season Agree take him out of the firing line for a few games A major problem is the full backs imo, he has no confidence in them and this is contributing to his lack of belief What he did last season is irrelevant. This season he’s been rubbish and needs to be dropped. The full backs are dodgy but they aren’t responsible for the countless errors Butland has made this season. He needs to be dropped for the foreseeable future and play Frederici for an extended period.
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Post by musik on Sept 28, 2019 11:00:26 GMT
I'm afraid Butland looks finished permanently. His head isn't there. It's between his shoulders. He should have had either a free kick for the collision or punched the ball. Since you can't trust a referee he should have picked a punch.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Sept 28, 2019 11:03:16 GMT
I'm afraid Butland looks finished permanently. His head isn't there. You don't half talk some shit you.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 28, 2019 11:59:08 GMT
I'm afraid Butland looks finished permanently. His head isn't there. You don't half talk some shit you. We'll see. He doesn't seem to have the mental strength to turn his poor form around. We've seen it with other keepers.
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Post by Sam on Sept 28, 2019 12:17:51 GMT
Have the opposition had a shot at our goal this season that hasn't ended up in the back of the net? I genuinely can't think of a single save Jack Butland has made, it seems to be the case that so long as our opponents get their shot on target, they'll score. He’s been awful! He needs dropping for a long time.
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Post by pushon on Sept 28, 2019 14:22:51 GMT
The faith shown in Butland I think is partly motivated by the fact he’s an asset the club are still trying to advertise and get a good price for. The trouble is his form has dropped so much no one will fucking touch him. Jones’ commitment to him and others has been a bug part of his downfall. I agree with this mate,he's been kept in the shop window when he should have been in the workshop getting his bearings sorted out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 15:07:56 GMT
I don’t think he has ever gotten over conceding that goal at Leicester away.
He should have been loaned out last season to a Premier League club.
Putting him in a Stoke shirt in the Championship is not working and that is no bad reflection on him.
Now we have a pissed of Davies who got get on the bench, no wonder there are the problems we have.
Now for the manager, it is his inconsistency or lack of idea what to do once we go a goal up or a goal down. Last night was nothing more than a premature ejaculation and a flop-on after their first goal!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 28, 2019 15:15:01 GMT
The faith shown in Butland I think is partly motivated by the fact he’s an asset the club are still trying to advertise and get a good price for. The trouble is his form has dropped so much no one will fucking touch him. Jones’ commitment to him and others has been a bug part of his downfall. Which is why we need to start looking at the people in charge of doing the deals. We had plenty of interest in the summer but chose to be greedy. Now we’ll be lucky to give him away likewise Allen.
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Post by podolipotter on Sept 28, 2019 16:08:47 GMT
Most urgent priority, and has been for the last four seasons, is the need for two quality full-backs. We can then think about playing Mclean in mid field, keep Etobe and get after Dwight Gayle in January. Boy how we have missed Johhny Walters.
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Post by andyr on Sept 28, 2019 16:20:38 GMT
I always thought he was physically too big for a keeper , not agile enough in my opinion , problem is our number 2 keeper isn't any better
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 29, 2019 4:38:11 GMT
Our club needs the reset button pressing. It needs selling.
A fish rots from the head.
Sons, daughters, friends of Peter occupy positions that are critical to the club. They shouldn’t. Its nepotism. Managers - Jones, Lambert - are patsies. They shouldn’t be. Jaw dropping incompetence by all of this hierarchy has been/is tolerated. There is no accountability The rot reaches the players.
Slating these players is gratifying, helping release frustrations. However, the reality is that many have been strong performers elsewhere.... leading lights in the division even; Clucas, Ince, Vokes, Powell, Woods etc. Others were the choice of Jones, who would never have been a manager chosen by a self-confident board.
It is the hierarchy of our club - and the third rate example they set - which is the constant to our ails.
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Post by zerps on Sept 29, 2019 6:21:10 GMT
Please don't associate me with them, they'll be on the next managers case too from the get go. We've gone ten home games without a win the first time in our history, we haven't scored three times for 82 games, We've conceded two goals or more in each of our last nine home matches, we've dropped from top ten in the Premier League to the relegation places in the Championship in just over three years and we've filled our squad with some utter dirge. And your only thought is to slag off the supporters. You're the very worst kind of supporter. It’s true though. A couple of defeats and it’ll be “WHOEVER OUT”
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 29, 2019 7:33:48 GMT
Butland has fucked up so much of the good we have done this season, and it impacts the defence too as they seem to have lost trust in him. If Butland had been solid this season as he has previous seasons we would be half way up the league or higher. It's difficult to blame Jones for our keeper because i think most of us would play him. Butland is costing Jones is time as much of what we do is really good. If federici was anywhere near as good as Butland he would be playing 1st team football elsewhere. I don't get the Davies situation, he seems like a panic buy, but still we would all play Butland ahead of him.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 29, 2019 8:22:20 GMT
The Business side and FFP dictates that Butland Allen shawcross Bruno vokes McClean etebo and Badou must play in order to get a fair price for them in January or next summer. The heartfelt side of the business hopes the above players are good enough to get us back to the premier league. We played well in the summer. We won a couple of cup games. New players need time to settle. We had to wait for the European transfer window to close before we could add Badou Etebo and Bruno. We have played well. We've been the better team . other teams have had few chances to score. The opposition few changes have led to goals. The teamwork of our attacking players is coming together. The defense is missing shawcross. Butland confidence is knocked. Is it Jones's fault no. Is it Butland fault no. Whilst Butland gets his mentality right should Jones be sacked no. Should Davies play and be given a chance then yes. If it was not for FFP dictating our season. No new Manager is going to give Butland his confidence back. Only Jack can do that. New players need time to settle , he only plays three of them ! as for playing players Allen, Vokes, Butland and McClean there value has to be dropping every time they take to the pitch with the performances they are putting in. We have only beaten two sides one was on penalties the other was Wigan's reserves, no more lame excuses please, we have struggled ever since Jones got the job that is a fact.
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Post by Janet in ST5 on Sept 29, 2019 13:46:45 GMT
I’ve had to log in. I agree with many comments, I don’t think Butlands mindset is good. I believe he expected a move in the summer, not to be playing in the Championship again, but he appears to have been let down by his management team & probably his own form. Maybe he set his sights too high? I couldn’t get over him angling to go to Bournemouth, other than it’s a lovely place near the sea. Yes, they’re Premier League, but they’re not a ‘big’ team?
There’s lots of little errors, not all just Butlands, but his become the more obvious. Someone mentioned his height, is he too tall? When you see the photos of him with Gordon Banks, yes, I know he was many years older, but Butland is huge in comparison. Whilst last season wasn’t wonderful, he did make some decent saves, also missed a few, but I think his form hasn’t recovered after the ankle injury he sustained with England, compounded by the requirement for further surgery.
Which was the game he was sub? I noticed when he came out to warm up with the subs at half time that he had his bib on, tied in a knot to the side like a teenager trying to make dull clothes look sexy. Then he was passed a different colour bib for the kick about. He did the same, put it on, tied it in a sexy knot. That put it nicely in a nutshell for me. Far too big for our club. Didn’t he also start a rebranding campaign, referring to himself as But1and?
The FFP thing makes sense too. I fear we have a lot more players to lose yet, and Butland has to be one of them. Can’t see them, can’t sell them. Bit of a conundrum really.
One thing which is consistent with Stoke City is their desire to rehabilitate injured players. Butland does need time out of the team, but he also needs someone to help him identify the problem he has, and deal with it.
As you can see, I have no answers either. I’ve almost lost what the question is too. I’ll be there on Tuesday though. It has to be done.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 15:05:54 GMT
I like Jack but hes having a terrible time of it. As normal we watched the warm up and the confident clean handling of everything has long since disappeared. He had a mare in last nights warm up. I know it's only a warm up but it's a sign of things to come and where a player is at. Jack just looks like the shell of what he was. He was there but he wasnt really there if you get me. His demeanour has totally changed from last season and seasons before. He was still great with my little lad as he always is, but he looks down. He isnt his normal chirpy self. Whoever comes in as new manager has to take Jack out of the firing line for a month or so and see if we can get him back to his best. We know Federici is crap so they simply have to give Davies a chance to show how good or bad he is. We’d probably be in league one now if it wasn’t for Butlands performances last season Agree take him out of the firing line for a few games A major problem is the full backs imo, he has no confidence in them and this is contributing to his lack of belief Butland was just as shite last season, he has cost us on so many occasions, he seemingly doesn’t want to be here but on this form he’s not getting a move anywhere better.
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