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Post by Fred Ferret on Sept 27, 2019 14:50:36 GMT
Alan Ball Brian Little Sad to say Jones is right down there but for my money it was worse under both of them. Little had a torrid 2nd half to the season. But, he won 14 of his 1st 20 games and 21 overall. He then resigned. I thought his record was worse than that. Jones can only dream of winning half of that, and even then he would have to be miraculously lucky. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 27, 2019 14:50:41 GMT
Kammy was the worst in my opinion, Jones is having good go at it mind I actually think Jones is much better than Kamara or Bates due his record at Luton but here at Stoke it just ain’t happening Kamara did a pretty good job at Bradford in fairness. i admit I forgot all about that |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 27, 2019 14:54:28 GMT
Forgot all about Bill he managed to save us the season before though, did he have to finish on health grounds ? That's what wiki says, was just before my time though. He seems to completely evade any criticism for that episode?
"Financial constraints however had left him without an assistant, trainer or physiotherapist at the start of the season"
That'll probably be why mate, he was having to do everything bar iron the kits on his own all year. We were a fucking shambles back then as well behind the scenes
(I had to Wiki that as well, as i was only about 9 at the time, so was blissfully unaware of all the shit that goes on off the field...wonder if kids are like that nowadays as well, or are more clued up simply because of the interweb?)
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Post by cdlstoke on Sept 27, 2019 14:58:44 GMT
Got it off his Wikipedia thing. I was going by the Wiki page on Stoke's 97/98 season. I think your 33 games includes 6 cup matches, which probably means he was in charge for the Bradford league match (the one after Birmingham), so he was actually in charge for 27 league games with 32 points from 8 wins. Think I just looked at managerial at stoke. Never looked at league only. I was surprised he’d won so many. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 27, 2019 14:59:48 GMT
Are there any stats that confirm that anywhere, Chic was very shit a cheap option again though. 33 games 11 wins Chic Bates I'd take that now. I'd have taken that relegation season three games to go plus drawn points. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 27, 2019 15:00:52 GMT
Funny how quickly we've all forgotten cuddly old Paul Lambert. It's only due to how shockingly things have gone since then that he avoids challenging Kamara as our worst manager in living memory.
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Post by Absolution on Sept 27, 2019 15:01:13 GMT
That's what wiki says, was just before my time though. He seems to completely evade any criticism for that episode?
"Financial constraints however had left him without an assistant, trainer or physiotherapist at the start of the season"
That'll probably be why mate, we were a fucking shambles back then as well behind the scenes
Also, having worked a Hudson inspired miracle in preventing a doomed team from being relegated, we couldn't afford to keep Hampton or Maguire, so he was having to climb Everest again but without any equipment. From memory, I also think Huddy picked up a few injuries so missed a lot of games. That's why Asprey will always be more fondly remembered for the miracle than criticised for the relegation. He never stood a chance. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Sept 27, 2019 15:01:40 GMT
Kamara did a pretty good job at Bradford in fairness. i admit I forgot all about that His reply to the suggestion that he was sacked by Bradford because of his colour was hilarious. |
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Post by nott1 on Sept 27, 2019 15:01:45 GMT
The last three combined are just about the worst three ever!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 27, 2019 15:03:32 GMT
That's what wiki says, was just before my time though. He seems to completely evade any criticism for that episode? "Financial constraints however had left him without an assistant, trainer or physiotherapist at the start of the season" That'll probably be why mate, he was having to do everything bar iron the kits on his own all year. We were a fucking shambles back then as well behind the scenes (I had to Wiki that as well, as i was only about 9 at the time, so was blissfully unaware of all the shit that goes on off the field...wonder if kids are like that nowadays as well, or are more clued up simply because of the interweb?)
First Team Management Manager: Nathan Jones Assistant Manager: Paul Hart First Team Coaches: Rory Delap & Joaquin Gomez Goalkeeper Coach: Andy Quy Head of First-Team Recruitment: Phil Chapple Head of Sports Science: Jared Roberts-Smith Head Physiotherapist: Dave Watson Physiotherapist: Chris Banks Doctor: Dr Andrew Dent Kit Manager: Gary Worthington Performance Analyst: Scott Coomber |
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Post by march4 on Sept 27, 2019 15:14:48 GMT
Holocaust season I guess? Asprey was in charge for most of that and we only won 3 in 42 However, he had rescued us the previous season when he brought Huddy back. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 15:18:43 GMT
No contest
I remember last season, he had a win rate ,that made Gary Rowett look like Pep Gaurdiola
But this season , he has smashed all records, with a win rate of zero per cent
We cannot ever , have had a manager with a win rate, worse than zero per cent
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 27, 2019 15:20:27 GMT
"Financial constraints however had left him without an assistant, trainer or physiotherapist at the start of the season" That'll probably be why mate, he was having to do everything bar iron the kits on his own all year. We were a fucking shambles back then as well behind the scenes (I had to Wiki that as well, as i was only about 9 at the time, so was blissfully unaware of all the shit that goes on off the field...wonder if kids are like that nowadays as well, or are more clued up simply because of the interweb?)
First Team Management Manager: Nathan Jones Assistant Manager: Paul Hart First Team Coaches: Rory Delap & Joaquin Gomez Goalkeeper Coach: Andy Quy Head of First-Team Recruitment: Phil Chapple Head of Sports Science: Jared Roberts-Smith Head Physiotherapist: Dave Watson Physiotherapist: Chris Banks Doctor: Dr Andrew Dent Kit Manager: Gary Worthington Performance Analyst: Scott Coomber We have a performance analyst  why ? |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 27, 2019 15:22:30 GMT
That's what wiki says, was just before my time though. He seems to completely evade any criticism for that episode?
"Financial constraints however had left him without an assistant, trainer or physiotherapist at the start of the season"
That'll probably be why mate, he was having to do everything bar iron the kits on his own all year. We were a fucking shambles back then as well behind the scenes
(I had to Wiki that as well, as i was only about 9 at the time, so was blissfully unaware of all the shit that goes on off the field...wonder if kids are like that nowadays as well, or are more clued up simply because of the interweb?)
How many of these poor managers has Peter Coates been involved in recruiting. |
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 27, 2019 15:24:34 GMT
No contest I remember last season, he had a win rate ,that made Gary Rowett look like Pep Gaurdiola But this season , he has smashed all records, with a win rate of zero per cent We cannot ever , have had a manager with a win rate, worse than zero per cent Over the first 8 games of a season? Of course we have, loads of times. |
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 27, 2019 15:27:30 GMT
Just feel sick at the thought of could transpire tonight, so many mixed emotions
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 15:35:43 GMT
Funny how quickly we've all forgotten cuddly old Paul Lambert. It's only due to how shockingly things have gone since then that he avoids challenging Kamara as our worst manager in living memory. Paul Lambert was a footballing genius compared to NJ
He didn't play a few games for brighton , he won everything there is to win in the game ,with Celtic and Borussia Dortmund . As a manager he got back to back promotions at Norwich and took them from league 1 to the prem in successive seasons , and kept them there . Now he is riding high with Ipswich . Ipswich were borderline bankrupt and bottom of the league when PL went there , but the board took his criticisms on the chin and let him play youth players ahead of " unprofessional " experienced pros last year .
Scholes and Carto and Jonathon Coates , took his criticism of " unproffesional " behaviour at the club personally , as if he was in part blaming them for this state of affairs , because he was ! And they couldn't wait to make him the scapegoat for their shoddiness . We were relegated because berahino and Jesse were behaving like total tossers and Diouf forgot to play football , while our rivals were relying on Glenn Murray , danny Ings ,fernardo Llorente , rondon , rodriguez , arnautovic and hernanadez to get their goals . Our rivals had decentish strikers and I doubt anyone was going to get... I really cant be arsed Berahino and jesse , and oops I have forgot to play football Diouf , to outscore that lot .
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 27, 2019 15:54:14 GMT
Very harsh to include Bill Aspeey in my opinion
He had saved us the previous season, then wasn't given any money to spend and was then reliant on a bunch of kids (Maskery, Parkin, p Heath etc) who although went on to be good servents for us, were not top division standard.
Prune one from Ball, Kamara, Little or Jones for me. Given the level we were at I would be tempted to go for Little, but again he never had a penny to spend and could only bring in journeymen frees
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 27, 2019 16:05:20 GMT
Funny how quickly we've all forgotten cuddly old Paul Lambert. It's only due to how shockingly things have gone since then that he avoids challenging Kamara as our worst manager in living memory. Paul Lambert was a footballing genius compared to NJ
He didn't play a few games for brighton , he won everything there is to win in the game ,with Celtic and Borussia Dortmund . As a manager he got back to back promotions at Norwich and took them from league 1 to the prem in successive seasons , and kept them there . Now he is riding high with Ipswich . Ipswich were borderline bankrupt and bottom of the league when PL went there , but the board took his criticisms on the chin and let him play youth players ahead of " unprofessional " experienced pros last year .
Scholes and Carto and Jonathon Coates , took his criticism of " unproffesional " behaviour at the club personally , as if he was in part blaming them for this state of affairs , because he was ! And they couldn't wait to make him the scapegoat for their shoddiness . We were relegated because berahino and Jesse were behaving like total tossers and Diouf forgot to play football , while our rivals were relying on Glenn Murray , danny Ings ,fernardo Llorente , rondon , rodriguez , arnautovic and hernanadez to get their goals . Our rivals had decentish strikers and I doubt anyone was going to get... I really cant be arsed Berahino and jesse , and oops I have forgot to play football Diouf , to outscore that lot .
Sure. But his managerial record for Stoke, which is what the thread is about, was abysmal. Likewise Asprey's was, objectively, the worst of the lot. Obviously there were mitigating factors. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 17:07:43 GMT
The Holocaust season wasn't Asprey"s fault,he had no players.
Jones is definitely the worst for me
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Post by lordb on Sept 27, 2019 17:26:54 GMT
33 games 11 wins Chic Bates That has surprised me tbh it felt worse than that. We were as high as fifth after winning away at Man City October time Then it fell off the cliff. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 27, 2019 17:27:51 GMT
Alan Ball Brian Little Sad to say Jones is right down there but for my money it was worse under both of them. Little had a torrid 2nd half to the season. But, he won 14 of his 1st 20 games and 21 overall. He then resigned. I thought his record was worse than that. Jones can only dream of winning half of that, and even then he would have to be miraculously lucky. Division below mind Didn't we win the first seven? Lots of four goal home defeats under Little. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 27, 2019 17:37:47 GMT
First Team Management Manager: Nathan Jones Assistant Manager: Paul Hart First Team Coaches: Rory Delap & Joaquin Gomez Goalkeeper Coach: Andy Quy Head of First-Team Recruitment: Phil Chapple Head of Sports Science: Jared Roberts-Smith Head Physiotherapist: Dave Watson Physiotherapist: Chris Banks Doctor: Dr Andrew Dent Kit Manager: Gary Worthington Performance Analyst: Scott Coomber We have a performance analyst why ? Fucking hell I could do that job. report: fucking shit mr jones |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 28, 2019 9:06:32 GMT
We have a performance analyst why ? Fucking hell I could do that job. report: fucking shit mr jones I wonder what Scott had to say about Jones performance last night ? absolute madness again midfielder off CB on change the whole dynamic of the team again, why not like for like FFS. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 9:07:36 GMT
Holocaust season I guess? Asprey was in charge for most of that and we only won 3 in 42 That was my first season as a supporter 👀 |
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Sept 28, 2019 9:13:57 GMT
Funny how quickly we've all forgotten cuddly old Paul Lambert. It's only due to how shockingly things have gone since then that he avoids challenging Kamara as our worst manager in living memory. Kamara was the worst on stats alone, But Nj is right there with him but over a lot more games than Kamara which kind of puts him bang there in the no1 spot for me. No other manager has come close to their stats..... |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 28, 2019 9:19:36 GMT
Funny how quickly we've all forgotten cuddly old Paul Lambert. It's only due to how shockingly things have gone since then that he avoids challenging Kamara as our worst manager in living memory. Kamara was the worst on stats alone, But Nj is right there with him but over a lot more games than Kamara which kind of puts him bang there in the no1 spot for me. No other manager has come close to their stats..... Nath is the worst and when you ally it to resources he's the worst manager we've ever had. Get it done and fuck him fucking off. |
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Post by Goonie on Sept 28, 2019 9:23:49 GMT
Are there any stats that confirm that anywhere, Chic was very shit a cheap option again though. 33 games 11 wins Chic Bates Oh how we dream of a third win ratio under Jonah Jones |
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Post by Goonie on Sept 28, 2019 9:27:09 GMT
First Team Management Manager: Nathan Jones Assistant Manager: Paul Hart First Team Coaches: Rory Delap & Joaquin Gomez Goalkeeper Coach: Andy Quy Head of First-Team Recruitment: Phil Chapple Head of Sports Science: Jared Roberts-Smith Head Physiotherapist: Dave Watson Physiotherapist: Chris Banks Doctor: Dr Andrew Dent Kit Manager: Gary Worthington Performance Analyst: Scott Coomber We have a performance analyst why ? He's a 'poor performance analyst' and the busiest man at SCFC! |
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Post by Goonie on Sept 28, 2019 9:28:25 GMT
Kamara was the worst on stats alone, But Nj is right there with him but over a lot more games than Kamara which kind of puts him bang there in the no1 spot for me. No other manager has come close to their stats..... Nath is the worst and when you ally it to resources he's the worst manager we've ever had. Get it done and fuck him fucking off. How anyone can ever defend those stats I'll never know No question: jones Out! |
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