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Post by chad on Sept 25, 2019 8:00:19 GMT
I don’t think we can pull this round now Whoever the new manager is (and there as to be one) is stuck with this bunch of players till January They’re League One players at best and they’re not even at their best We’ve already been cut adrift and highly likely will be further adrift by Saturday When was the last time a team had 2 points from 8 games and stayed up We’re doomed I tell you. Doomed
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Post by Davef on Sept 25, 2019 8:23:29 GMT
I don’t think we can pull this round now Whoever the new manager is (and there as to be one) is stuck with this bunch of players till January They’re League One players at best and they’re not even at their best We’ve already been cut adrift and highly likely will be further adrift by Saturday When was the last time a team had 2 points from 8 games and stayed up We’re doomed I tell you. Doomed Fulham had 1 point from 8 games in 2014/15 and stayed up with 52 points. They sacked Felix Magath after seven games. This lot aren't going to get near that total though are they?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2019 8:24:52 GMT
I don’t think we can pull this round now Whoever the new manager is (and there as to be one) is stuck with this bunch of players till January They’re League One players at best and they’re not even at their best We’ve already been cut adrift and highly likely will be further adrift by Saturday When was the last time a team had 2 points from 8 games and stayed up We’re doomed I tell you. Doomed Fulham had 1 point from 8 games in 2014/15 and stayed up with 52 points. They sacked Felix Magath after seven games. This lot aren't going to get near that total though are they? So that's the 1 in 15 years then. I wondered who it was. History says we're pretty fucked mind. But it'd be daft to try and not to challenge that.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 25, 2019 8:27:30 GMT
Fulham had 1 point from 8 games in 2014/15 and stayed up with 52 points. They sacked Felix Magath after seven games. This lot aren't going to get near that total though are they? So that's the 1 in 15 years then. I wondered who it was. History says we're pretty fucked mind. But it'd be daft to try and not to challenge that. We may as well pack it up now if we have no intentions of getting rid of Jones.
Get a new manager in and bloody go for it. History says we're fucked but like you said Bayern, there is no reason why we shouldn't challenge it.
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 25, 2019 8:31:10 GMT
To be honest, how often do you see a squad that has spent the money it has, with the quality and potential the squad obviously has, being in this position?
1 win takes us within touching distance of 21st.
I don't think you can look at the record books too much. If we replace Jones this week, or even next, a couple of wins can see us out of it and I am pretty sure we are at rock bottom now and a new manager bounce would work.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 25, 2019 8:34:08 GMT
Jones needs to go but to suggest we're as good as relegated in September is ludicrous.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 25, 2019 8:34:11 GMT
I have been all for giving Nathan time but how he has approached the two games following the false dawn of the performance against Bristol City and the results that approach have produced confirms he is a spent force. He needs to go today.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Sept 25, 2019 8:35:55 GMT
I don’t think we can pull this round now Whoever the new manager is (and there as to be one) is stuck with this bunch of players till January They’re League One players at best and they’re not even at their best We’ve already been cut adrift and highly likely will be further adrift by Saturday When was the last time a team had 2 points from 8 games and stayed up We’re doomed I tell you. Doomed apparently not even a league 1 team on last nights showing, somewhere more down the bottom half of league 2......
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 25, 2019 8:37:15 GMT
I don’t think we can pull this round now Whoever the new manager is (and there as to be one) is stuck with this bunch of players till January They’re League One players at best and they’re not even at their best We’ve already been cut adrift and highly likely will be further adrift by Saturday When was the last time a team had 2 points from 8 games and stayed up We’re doomed I tell you. Doomed Fulham had 1 point from 8 games in 2014/15 and stayed up with 52 points. They sacked Felix Magath after seven games. This lot aren't going to get near that total though are they? Not with Jones at the helm,if he stays we could go down with one of the lowest ever pts.total for this division.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 25, 2019 8:41:20 GMT
Fulham had 1 point from 8 games in 2014/15 and stayed up with 52 points. They sacked Felix Magath after seven games. This lot aren't going to get near that total though are they? So that's the 1 in 15 years then. I wondered who it was. History says we're pretty fucked mind. But it'd be daft to try and not to challenge that. 1 in 15 years. Stop making shit up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2019 8:46:14 GMT
So that's the 1 in 15 years then. I wondered who it was. History says we're pretty fucked mind. But it'd be daft to try and not to challenge that. 1 in 15 years. Stop making shit up. What are you on about?
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Post by nutterpotter on Sept 25, 2019 8:48:22 GMT
Fulham had 1 point from 8 games in 2014/15 and stayed up with 52 points. They sacked Felix Magath after seven games. This lot aren't going to get near that total though are they? So that's the 1 in 15 years then. I wondered who it was. History says we're pretty fucked mind. But it'd be daft to try and not to challenge that. Out of interest, in those 15 years, how many times has a team actually had 1 point after 7 games (or 2 points after 8)?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2019 8:51:21 GMT
So that's the 1 in 15 years then. I wondered who it was. History says we're pretty fucked mind. But it'd be daft to try and not to challenge that. Out of interest, in those 15 years, how many times has a team actually had 1 point after 7 games (or 2 points after 8)? Looks like 5. So an 80% chance.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 25, 2019 8:51:53 GMT
1 in 15 years. Stop making shit up. What are you on about? You just making numbers up.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 25, 2019 8:53:24 GMT
Bolton had 2 points after 8 games two seasons ago and stayed up. Fulham had 1 point after 8 games in 14/15 and stayed up. Bolton had 3 points after 8 games in 13/14 and stayed up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2019 8:56:30 GMT
You just making numbers up. Sure (please see above).
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Post by datguy on Sept 25, 2019 8:57:23 GMT
We've got more than a good enough team to stay up from this position. Jones just needs to go though.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 25, 2019 8:58:21 GMT
You just making numbers up. Sure (please see above). I've just given you 3 examples of teams having shit starts and not getting relegated.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2019 8:59:50 GMT
Sure (please see above). I've just given you 3 examples of teams having shit starts and not getting relegated. I'm on about the 1 from 7 specifically but carry on.....
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 25, 2019 9:00:03 GMT
Grimsby AND Rotherham both had 3 points after 8 games in 01/02 and BOTH survived.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 25, 2019 9:02:42 GMT
Gary rowett is the best option if Jones leaves.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 25, 2019 9:03:10 GMT
I've just given you 3 examples of teams having shit starts and not getting relegated. I'm on about the 1 from 7 specifically but carry on..... Why 1 from 7 when we've got 2 from 8 4 instances of teams with 2 points or less from 8 matches in Championship since 2000. 2 survived 2 got relegated.
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Post by BuckRogers on Sept 25, 2019 9:05:36 GMT
So I'm guessing my accumulator knackered now.I had them finish top three😄. Jones's fault. I believed everything he said beginning of the season 🤦♂️
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Post by sheds1862 on Sept 25, 2019 9:08:14 GMT
I don’t think we can pull this round now Whoever the new manager is (and there as to be one) is stuck with this bunch of players till January They’re League One players at best and they’re not even at their best We’ve already been cut adrift and highly likely will be further adrift by Saturday When was the last time a team had 2 points from 8 games and stayed up We’re doomed I tell you. Doomed In the main your post is spot on. I'd just take issue with the League one players bit. These lot are more than good enough, wildly acknowledged on here. I know it's history but it's only 3 years since Allen and Vokes were in the semi finals at the Euros. Remember Vokes bullet header against Belgium. A lot of our squad have a good pedigree it just all falls to shit when they turn up here. Yes we have lots of duds but there is easily enough here to get some sort of tune out of. I said it weeks ago and many others have too. Play a settled side and system, give strikers and centre halves an opportunity to forge an understanding . It's gone far too far now and a matter of time before he's sacked or resigns. Nobody can put a finger on it, are the last 4 managers all absolutely shite , are the players bottle jobs or not good enough. My opinion is some of them are more than good enough. So I'm fucking baffled. I'm just waffling aren't I, bastarding flabbergasted.
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 25, 2019 9:08:52 GMT
Gary rowett is the best option if Jones leaves. Put that rod away...too early for fishing👍🏻
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 25, 2019 9:10:02 GMT
Gary rowett is the best option if Jones leaves. Put that rod away...too early for fishing👍🏻 Not fishing. GR is the best man for the job if they sack Jones.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 25, 2019 9:14:28 GMT
Fulham had 1 point from 8 games in 2014/15 and stayed up with 52 points. They sacked Felix Magath after seven games. This lot aren't going to get near that total though are they? So that's the 1 in 15 years then. I wondered who it was. History says we're pretty fucked mind. But it'd be daft to try and not to challenge that. There are a few ways of looking at it but each is quite chilling considering what we have seen so far. For example for us to ensure survival we now have to achieve top 10 form for the rest of the season. Do you think that is possible with these players ( I won’t even mention the manager!)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2019 9:16:14 GMT
So that's the 1 in 15 years then. I wondered who it was. History says we're pretty fucked mind. But it'd be daft to try and not to challenge that. There are a few ways of looking at it but each is quite chilling considering what we have seen so far. For example for us to ensure survival we now have to achieve top 10 form for the rest of the season. Do you think that is possible with these players ( I won’t even mention the manager!) I still think we've got the base for a half decent side tbh. They just need to be used correctly.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Sept 25, 2019 9:24:58 GMT
Put that rod away...too early for fishing👍🏻 Not fishing. GR is the best man for the job if they sack Jones.
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Post by apb1 on Sept 25, 2019 9:25:09 GMT
We need to get a new manager (Hughton) in now. Watch the game (Delap or whoever to pick team) on Friday night with nothing to lose then start the long process of building self-belief in this bunch. Simple tactics and formations, stability, discipline and leaders in all areas of the pitch.
Bollocks to keeping the whole squad happy, half of them should be got rid of in January anyway. Why did we even get Hogan, Duffy, Vokes, Cousins?
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