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Post by stokie1 on Sept 24, 2019 22:05:03 GMT
Everyone you speak to or listen to who knows their football thinks Nathan Jones is a fantastic manager. Did incredible things at Luton and everyone respects him as one of the most genuine and promising managers in the football league.
His record at Stoke is bafflingly poor. Something doesn't add up. Now confidence is everything in football, as anyone who has played the game at any level will tell you, and we don't have any and haven't really had any since early on in the relegation season. But is this terrible form just down to low confidence?
I think (based on Brentford) Jones is now resorting to trying to grind out a couple of 1-0 wins to get us up and running and will build from there but I am not convinced we are defensively strong enough to do this? He keeps saying we are dominating possession and creating chances and we are undone by individual mistakes but I don't see it like that. We don't seem to have a real plan and I don't see us missing lots of chances. The number of times we just pass it around the back until we get backed into a corner and then just hoof it forward to one striker and give the ball away is scary.
So whats really going on here? Is it just confidence? Is Jones really just not up to the job? Is this a result of a weak dressing room because we still have the legacy players from the Premier league who don't want to be there? Is it just the result of poor recruitment and the players aren't good enough (seems to be me like we have good players)?
The board must be scratching their heads as all us supporters are. I think its win or bust on Friday night but I totally understand why the board are backing Jones in the hope that this turns around. It still could and I for one hope it does.
Come on Stoke
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Post by DansViews on Sept 24, 2019 22:07:00 GMT
He's got us in that much shit by swapping and changing that I don't think even he knows how to sort this out.
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Post by sheds1862 on Sept 24, 2019 22:07:46 GMT
What is turning it around though ?
To finish 12th ?
This season has gone already. We can't afford to give him next summer as well.
League 2 and a team of perennial losers are poles apart.
Luton didn't exactly crumble when he left.
Quite simply he's out of his depth.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 24, 2019 22:11:51 GMT
People may have once thought he was a good manager but in a world where you are only as good as your last result having nearly 10 months of absolute shite things have changed.
Jones has done a shiter than shite job at my football club; he is currently the worst manager in England and the worst manager in the history of SCFC.
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Post by stokie1 on Sept 24, 2019 22:12:00 GMT
What is turning it around though ? To finish 12th ? This season has gone already. We can't afford to give him next summer as well. League 2 and a team of perennial losers are poles apart. Luton didn't exactly crumble when he left. Quite simply he's out of his depth. He could be! Its a step up for sure from Luton and the Championship is a very tough league. He does seem to floundering and running out of ideas. |
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Post by stokie1 on Sept 24, 2019 22:14:01 GMT
People may have once thought he was a good manager but in a world where you are only as good as your last result having nearly 10 months of absolute shite things have changed. Jones has done a shiter than shite job at my football club; he is currently the worst manager in England and the worst manager in the history of SCFC. I feel your pain but how can he be so bad. Is it just the pressure of the situation thats affecting his decision making. Its unbelievable. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 24, 2019 22:15:43 GMT
We have far too many poor players.
I rate Butland but he doesnt want to be here .
Ndaye same as above
Allen not playing well same as above
Bruno is ok but same as above
Clucas has done ok this season
Etebo is decent if he plays regularly
We have a few average players
Edwards Baath, McClean Gregory
Collins might be very good in time
The rest are mostly rubbish or flaky
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 24, 2019 22:16:57 GMT
He’s a bullshitter who’s reputation was somewhat fortuitous,highly spun and overly exaggerated..........and we fell for it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 22:18:07 GMT
Everyone you speak to or listen to who knows their football thinks Nathan Jones is a fantastic manager. Did incredible things at Luton and everyone respects him as one of the most genuine and promising managers in the football league. His record at Stoke is bafflingly poor. Something doesn't add up. Now confidence is everything in football, as anyone who has played the game at any level will tell you, and we don't have any and haven't really had any since early on in the relegation season. But is this terrible form just down to low confidence? I think (based on Brentford) Jones is now resorting to trying to grind out a couple of 1-0 wins to get us up and running and will build from there but I am not convinced we are defensively strong enough to do this? He keeps saying we are dominating possession and creating chances and we are undone by individual mistakes but I don't see it like that. We don't seem to have a real plan and I don't see us missing lots of chances. The number of times we just pass it around the back until we get backed into a corner and then just hoof it forward to one striker and give the ball away is scary. So whats really going on here? Is it just confidence? Is Jones really just not up to the job? Is this a result of a weak dressing room because we still have the legacy players from the Premier league who don't want to be there? Is it just the result of poor recruitment and the players aren't good enough (seems to be me like we have good players)? The board must be scratching their heads as all us supporters are. I think its win or bust on Friday night but I totally understand why the board are backing Jones in the hope that this turns around. It still could and I for one hope it does. Come on Stoke Or was Steve Rutter the brains behind the Luton revolution? " Watching Luton since 50s, was at 59 Cup Final so seen it all at our club! Jones joined when we were mid table L2, but under achieving with a squad largely put together by Mick Hartford and John Still, and a fantastic group of youngsters including Justin, who reached I think, last 16 of youth cup with all the big boys. Jones was with us 3 yrs. We gave him his first opportunity- he had played for us for us for a short time in the mid 90s. During his first 18 mths he made a number of errors - poor selections, substituting etc. He had a great team of backroom staff, and we fans loved (were conned) by his consistent badge thumping, and he wouldn’t ever choose to leave except for Barcelona. Yes, he said that, god willing. With a number of good signings (Mick Hartford finding what he wanted) we were promoted from L2.
With promotion, after about 8 games and a very average start in L1 there was a key change. Paul Hart, his assistant, left to become director of football at Notts County (and what happened to them?). Jones always claims Hart is his mentor - most at Luton thought good riddance. Steve Rutter was appointed instead. Immediately we became unstoppable for the rest of last season, club record 28 unbeaten etc. Rutter v highly respected FA coach now working abroad from end of last season, with our new managerial appointment.
Our fans now refer to Jones very unkindly for dropping us in it at such a crucial stage in January. But with hindsight probably the best thing that has happened. He (allegedly) was less than up front to players, and the Board about your approach. New manager is a class above - in character, Rutteresque coaching ability (grounded with Martinez, Everton, Belgium World Cup etc). He is self effacing just the opposite to Jones, who tries to take all the credit for Luton - that is just not right!
He would not EVER even start James Justin until when there was a serious injury to Dan Potts midway through last season, even though the fans were so much wanting that
Graeme Jones leaves Nathan Jones standing tactically. He has already tweaked the diamond, and played other systems, depending upon the opposition this season. We all know the diamond is vulnerable to opposition attacking width, and it needs a little more above L1.
As he is known Judas Jones is seen at Luton as a bullsxxxxer who is probably too inexperienced to cope with Championship level tactics, abilities, and players’ personalities. Had we kept him, we would probably be where you are but, with less resources, nowhere to go but to relegation. Instead with our management team, board, and fans we have a fighting chance of safe mid table even with the smallest budget in the Championship. And a new ground to look forward to, right in the Town centre.
I suspect you have enough good players, fans support, and resources such that you will not do a Sunderland, even if you keep Jones. But promotion or playoffs with him, no way. If Stoke were my club, and with such wealthy owners who can afford to sack and pay off - I would certainly get rid. A replacement - can only think of Lee Bowyer, and his assistant at Charlton Jackson, or Ryan Lowe at Plymouth- they were the ones in our frame if we failed with the very much first choice. Graeme Jones. just cannot blame your board for being taken in by NJ and his fast talking - just the same happened to all of us at Luton."
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 24, 2019 22:24:40 GMT
We have far too many poor players. I rate Butland but he doesnt want to be here . Ndaye same as above Allen not playing well same as above Bruno is ok but same as above Clucas has done ok this season Etebo is decent if he plays regularly We have a few average players Edwards Baath, McClean Gregory Collins might be very good in time The rest are mostly rubbish or flaky I cant really name a player who looks like he wants to be here, probably only exceptions are McClean and Gregory neither whom are very good |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 24, 2019 22:37:17 GMT
I genuinely thought he’d have stuck more to his principles than he has done, he binned off everything we’d been working towards all summer after a good game v Derby which was followed by a terrible effort v Preston. Rather than change personnel who were letting us down with really bad individual errors he changed the whole system and since then he’s barely stuck to one system across two games. I thought he’d be much braver, but if he’s not going to stick to his principles then there really is no point in him being here.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 24, 2019 22:48:21 GMT
He has signed 12 players and only possibly Powell (because we don’t know) and one striker, because he has signed 3 of the 4 we have (unless we pick diouf) would make the starting 11 with everyone fit. It is impossible to conclude he is a good manager.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 24, 2019 22:59:35 GMT
Not as they are any less to blame and I have any time for the useless dicks but I would love to know what the players make of it all. I still refuse to believe they can collectively be this dreadful, even if Jones has pickled their minds with his nonsense and tactics.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 24, 2019 23:06:05 GMT
I genuinely thought he’d have stuck more to his principles than he has done, he binned off everything we’d been working towards all summer after a good game v Derby which was followed by a terrible effort v Preston. Rather than change personnel who were letting us down with really bad individual errors he changed the whole system and since then he’s barely stuck to one system across two games. I thought he’d be much braver, but if he’s not going to stick to his principles then there really is no point in him being here. +1 Turned me right off him, that and his media dribble |
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 24, 2019 23:11:38 GMT
I think someone has dabbled in Voodoo and cursed the club ....no team can be this unlucky ....? I mean you’d think we’d manage to cling on for a scrappy win, if we go a goal up the squad should ram themselves in the goal with Jack Butland for the rest of the game ....that should do it ...either that or Tony Scholes needs to get his cauldron out and have a dance round it on the pitch before the next game ...
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Post by Gods on Sept 24, 2019 23:12:45 GMT
Everyone you speak to or listen to who knows their football thinks Nathan Jones is a fantastic manager. Did incredible things at Luton and everyone respects him as one of the most genuine and promising managers in the football league. His record at Stoke is bafflingly poor. Something doesn't add up. Now confidence is everything in football, as anyone who has played the game at any level will tell you, and we don't have any and haven't really had any since early on in the relegation season. But is this terrible form just down to low confidence? I think (based on Brentford) Jones is now resorting to trying to grind out a couple of 1-0 wins to get us up and running and will build from there but I am not convinced we are defensively strong enough to do this? He keeps saying we are dominating possession and creating chances and we are undone by individual mistakes but I don't see it like that. We don't seem to have a real plan and I don't see us missing lots of chances. The number of times we just pass it around the back until we get backed into a corner and then just hoof it forward to one striker and give the ball away is scary. So whats really going on here? Is it just confidence? Is Jones really just not up to the job? Is this a result of a weak dressing room because we still have the legacy players from the Premier league who don't want to be there? Is it just the result of poor recruitment and the players aren't good enough (seems to be me like we have good players)? The board must be scratching their heads as all us supporters are. I think its win or bust on Friday night but I totally understand why the board are backing Jones in the hope that this turns around. It still could and I for one hope it does. Come on Stoke Seriously? I've never met anyone who has ever heard of him. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2019 23:13:57 GMT
I still think it’s a case of a manager coming in and not actually using the players we have correctly.
In a 4231, I don’t think there’s a better 3 in the league than Ince Bojan Verlinden and we had that. Even with Powell in, that’s a creative, tricky midfield. You need to sign a pacy winger to compete with Ince and Verlinden and you’re set.
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Post by future100 on Sept 24, 2019 23:25:29 GMT
I think that the board will now realise that Jones turning it round is not really a financial option, how many supporters are going to renew next season? He really has ripped the optimism out of the club.
Salvaging the season in the championship is not the story he sold when he joined, anyone who tries to justify Jones by saying he inherited a toxic club is just being melodramatic, he has been massively backed by the board, more so than any other manager in the championship, and he cannot get any of his signing to perform whilst getting rid of proven premier league players, why, was it because he couldn't command their respect? who knows, but the results speak for themselves.
There is only one decision that the board can make to put this right and that is to show him the door.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 24, 2019 23:28:01 GMT
Maybe NJ should try a bit of reverse psychology on the team....tell them to go out and lose 12-0 ...who knows they could be so defiant they might go out and win ...
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 24, 2019 23:28:51 GMT
I still think it’s a case of a manager coming in and not actually using the players we have correctly. In a 4231, I don’t think there’s a better 3 in the league than Ince Bojan Verlinden and we had that. Even with Powell in, that’s a creative, tricky midfield. You need to sign a pacy winger to compete with Ince and Verlinden and you’re set. We've needed a pacey winger for years why we haven't signed one is baffling. |
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Post by skip on Sept 24, 2019 23:41:29 GMT
I'm quickly reaching the depressing opinion that he's a chancer.
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Post by hanibal7 on Sept 25, 2019 0:24:19 GMT
He's got us in that much shit by swapping and changing that I don't think even he knows how to sort this out. He is swapping and changing due to so many players out of form or not good enough.Saying that, he has to go before a heart attack. |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 25, 2019 7:26:17 GMT
Maybe NJ should try a bit of reverse psychology on the team....tell them to go out and lose 12-0 ...who knows they could be so defiant they might go out and win ... Ha ha, that’s probably the one instruction the useless feckers could follow. I would even suggest they would try their best to do worse than 12-0.😂😂😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 7:33:33 GMT
Luton weren't stupid.They knew it wasn't just Jones behind their success,there was a managerial/coaching team.We just got the figurehead
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Post by stokie1 on Sept 25, 2019 12:26:46 GMT
Luton weren't stupid.They knew it wasn't just Jones behind their success,there was a managerial/coaching team.We just got the figurehead He could do the same thing at Stoke? How much time do you give a young manager to get things in place for success. The board would be expecting a promotion run this season. With the investment they have made that seems fair. I don’t believe Jones wasn’t instrumental in Lutons success. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 25, 2019 12:38:55 GMT
John Coates doesn't know how to run a football club is what's really going on and Scholes is a prick. Its very simple really.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 25, 2019 12:49:10 GMT
Everyone you speak to or listen to who knows their football thinks Nathan Jones is a fantastic manager. Did incredible things at Luton and everyone respects him as one of the most genuine and promising managers in the football league. His record at Stoke is bafflingly poor. Something doesn't add up. Now confidence is everything in football, as anyone who has played the game at any level will tell you, and we don't have any and haven't really had any since early on in the relegation season. But is this terrible form just down to low confidence? I think (based on Brentford) Jones is now resorting to trying to grind out a couple of 1-0 wins to get us up and running and will build from there but I am not convinced we are defensively strong enough to do this? He keeps saying we are dominating possession and creating chances and we are undone by individual mistakes but I don't see it like that. We don't seem to have a real plan and I don't see us missing lots of chances. The number of times we just pass it around the back until we get backed into a corner and then just hoof it forward to one striker and give the ball away is scary. So whats really going on here? Is it just confidence? Is Jones really just not up to the job? Is this a result of a weak dressing room because we still have the legacy players from the Premier league who don't want to be there? Is it just the result of poor recruitment and the players aren't good enough (seems to be me like we have good players)? The board must be scratching their heads as all us supporters are. I think its win or bust on Friday night but I totally understand why the board are backing Jones in the hope that this turns around. It still could and I for one hope it does. Come on Stoke What happened to the strong characters he was signing in the Summer ?, he has made a rod for his own back with all the outlandish promises he made, he has failed miserably on every one of them and on every aspect of managing this club, how much time and leeway does he deserve ? he has no credit in the bank here there is no earthly reason for expecting him to turn this sinking ship back to safer waters, he should have stayed at feckin Luton this club is a step to far for him as a rookie. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 25, 2019 12:59:07 GMT
You don’t become a bad manager overnight , his time at Luton tells you that , he’s come Into stoke with a massive job on his hands , I’m not ready yet to pull the trigger and think by the end of Xmas we will know where we are going in this league
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 13:07:17 GMT
Everyone you speak to or listen to who knows their football thinks Nathan Jones is a fantastic manager. Did incredible things at Luton and everyone respects him as one of the most genuine and promising managers in the football league. His record at Stoke is bafflingly poor. Something doesn't add up. Now confidence is everything in football, as anyone who has played the game at any level will tell you, and we don't have any and haven't really had any since early on in the relegation season. But is this terrible form just down to low confidence? I think (based on Brentford) Jones is now resorting to trying to grind out a couple of 1-0 wins to get us up and running and will build from there but I am not convinced we are defensively strong enough to do this? He keeps saying we are dominating possession and creating chances and we are undone by individual mistakes but I don't see it like that. We don't seem to have a real plan and I don't see us missing lots of chances. The number of times we just pass it around the back until we get backed into a corner and then just hoof it forward to one striker and give the ball away is scary. So whats really going on here? Is it just confidence? Is Jones really just not up to the job? Is this a result of a weak dressing room because we still have the legacy players from the Premier league who don't want to be there? Is it just the result of poor recruitment and the players aren't good enough (seems to be me like we have good players)? The board must be scratching their heads as all us supporters are. I think its win or bust on Friday night but I totally understand why the board are backing Jones in the hope that this turns around. It still could and I for one hope it does. Come on Stoke That's not true - every pundit and journalist has said he's doing an awful job here. It's irrelevant what he did at Luton. Look at the Sky Sports yesterday - signed rubbish players, keeps chopping and changing, massively underachieving. We don't have a legacy of old premier league players - he signed 11. The rest are Rowett signings other than Butland, Shawcross and Allen (and now Bruno and Badou who he said himself he wanted to keep). It's a daft narrative that was true of a handful of players in our relegation season that's just spiraled and will never end. Even after the offenders are long gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 13:11:52 GMT
Luton weren't stupid.They knew it wasn't just Jones behind their success,there was a managerial/coaching team.We just got the figurehead He could do the same thing at Stoke? How much time do you give a young manager to get things in place for success. The board would be expecting a promotion run this season. With the investment they have made that seems fair. I don’t believe Jones wasn’t instrumental in Lutons success. The difference being Luton were happy to let Jones go on the proviso we didn't take his staff. Now we can see why |
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