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Post by geoff321 on Sept 19, 2019 16:05:26 GMT
I think Coates was right to allow Hughes to continue into his 5th season, after 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th. Having let him go to 23 games I think he should have kept him until the end of the season and decided on what action to take then. Asking Paul Lambert to keep us up with just 15 games left was a huge risk and one that was to cost us our PL place. You will say he should have sacked Hughes earlier, but Coates didn't do that and so yes I think Hughes should have stayed under those circumstances. That's how I see it too. I think MH would have kept us up and then we could have made a planned transition, similar to Pulis to Hughes. I understand why they sacked him when they did, but unfortunately I think they reduced our chances of staying up by replacing him with Paul Lambert. Yes the owners had been under great pressure to remove him and then came Coventry.
I think it was a key moment and a major error of judgement by the owners in replacing him with Paul Lambert.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 19, 2019 16:09:46 GMT
I think Coates was right to allow Hughes to continue into his 5th season, after 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th. Having let him go to 23 games I think he should have kept him until the end of the season and decided on what action to take then. Asking Paul Lambert to keep us up with just 15 games left was a huge risk and one that was to cost us our PL place. You will say he should have sacked Hughes earlier, but Coates didn't do that and so yes I think Hughes should have stayed under those circumstances. That's how I see it too. I think MH would have kept us up and then we could have made a planned transition, similar to Pulis to Hughes. I understand why they sacked him when they did, but unfortunately I think they reduced our chances of staying up by replacing him with Paul Lambert. The time for that transition, unfortunately, was the previous May, and they bottled it.
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Post by Gods on Sept 19, 2019 16:19:14 GMT
That's how I see it too. I think MH would have kept us up and then we could have made a planned transition, similar to Pulis to Hughes. I understand why they sacked him when they did, but unfortunately I think they reduced our chances of staying up by replacing him with Paul Lambert. Yes the owners had been under great pressure to remove him and then came Coventry.
I think it was a key moment and a major error of judgement by the owners in replacing him with Paul Lambert.
I agree, as it turned out MH only needed to find 3 more points or 4 points to allow for goal difference. We had a raft of home games against unfacied teams and Lambert didn't win a single match between his first and last games.
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Post by hogansgoals on Sept 19, 2019 16:36:01 GMT
Yes the owners had been under great pressure to remove him and then came Coventry.
I think it was a key moment and a major error of judgement by the owners in replacing him with Paul Lambert.
I agree, as it turned out MH only needed to find 3 more points or 4 points to allow for goal difference. We had a raft of home games against unfacied teams and Lambert didn't win a single match between his first and last games. Lambert needed to find four points you mean
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 19, 2019 17:04:44 GMT
I think Coates was right to allow Hughes to continue into his 5th season, after 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th. Having let him go to 23 games I think he should have kept him until the end of the season and decided on what action to take then. Asking Paul Lambert to keep us up with just 15 games left was a huge risk and one that was to cost us our PL place. You will say he should have sacked Hughes earlier, but Coates didn't do that and so yes I think Hughes should have stayed under those circumstances. That's how I see it too. I think MH would have kept us up and then we could have made a planned transition, similar to Pulis to Hughes. I understand why they sacked him when they did, but unfortunately I think they reduced our chances of staying up by replacing him with Paul Lambert. The mistake was made in not getting rid of Hughes in the summer, the writing was on the wall in 10ft high letters the board chose to ignore all the evidence of the previous season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 17:07:51 GMT
That's how I see it too. I think MH would have kept us up and then we could have made a planned transition, similar to Pulis to Hughes. I understand why they sacked him when they did, but unfortunately I think they reduced our chances of staying up by replacing him with Paul Lambert. Yes the owners had been under great pressure to remove him and then came Coventry.
I think it was a key moment and a major error of judgement by the owners in replacing him with Paul Lambert.
The error of judgement was not lining up a replacement before they sacked Hughes. Lambert was bang average but then he had no backing at all in the window, he could’ve done a decent job here had we stuck with him, I’d take him as manager over NJ or Rowett any day.
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 19, 2019 17:16:03 GMT
Yes the owners had been under great pressure to remove him and then came Coventry.
I think it was a key moment and a major error of judgement by the owners in replacing him with Paul Lambert.
The error of judgement was not lining up a replacement before they sacked Hughes. Lambert was bang average but then he had no backing at all in the window, he could’ve done a decent job here had we stuck with him, I’d take him as manager over NJ or Rowett any day. Firstly sacking a manager with only 15 games left was always risky in the postion we were in.
Secondly who should they have lined up, you think that decent managers would be lining up to replace Hughes with us in the relegation places?
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 19, 2019 17:26:32 GMT
Yes the owners had been under great pressure to remove him and then came Coventry.
I think it was a key moment and a major error of judgement by the owners in replacing him with Paul Lambert.
The error of judgement was not lining up a replacement before they sacked Hughes. Lambert was bang average but then he had no backing at all in the window, he could’ve done a decent job here had we stuck with him, I’d take him as manager over NJ or Rowett any day. He signed Badou for £14million!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 18:26:18 GMT
The error of judgement was not lining up a replacement before they sacked Hughes. Lambert was bang average but then he had no backing at all in the window, he could’ve done a decent job here had we stuck with him, I’d take him as manager over NJ or Rowett any day. He signed Badou for £14million!!!!!! Him and Bauer were already done. Lambert probably had no say in it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 18:44:57 GMT
I expected better points. I felt we would get off to a poor start. Shawcross injury. Waiting to see if Badou was staying. Ryan woods was suppose to be leaving. We did not get in the wanted striker , the quality attributes DM or LB , on the final day of our transfer window. We've waited to see if Bruno was going. It only this week that our best team been available. Allen gets himself sent off. Allen is not part of our best team
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 19, 2019 19:04:50 GMT
If Jones mentions fucking Luton again I will really want to punch his fucking lights out. If he wants a lift to Luton I'm available.
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Post by generationex on Sept 19, 2019 19:43:22 GMT
It makes for chilling reading.
However bad the Hughes Legacy we’ve had enough money thrown at the team to be nowhere near bottom.
And yeah that Luton thing has worn so thin it’s now just infuriating.
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Post by Linx on Sept 19, 2019 19:54:17 GMT
Yes the owners had been under great pressure to remove him and then came Coventry.
I think it was a key moment and a major error of judgement by the owners in replacing him with Paul Lambert.
The error of judgement was not lining up a replacement before they sacked Hughes. Lambert was bang average but then he had no backing at all in the window, he could’ve done a decent job here had we stuck with him, I’d take him as manager over NJ or Rowett any day. And whose Ipswich Town side has been unbeaten all season so far and is one point off top spot? Why do players and managers seem to flourish once they leave us, or are loaned out?
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 19, 2019 20:18:14 GMT
The error of judgement was not lining up a replacement before they sacked Hughes. Lambert was bang average but then he had no backing at all in the window, he could’ve done a decent job here had we stuck with him, I’d take him as manager over NJ or Rowett any day. And whose Ipswich Town side has been unbeaten all season so far and is one point off top spot? Why do players and managers seem to flourish once they leave us, or are loaned out? I think Lambert has shown in the past that he's a good manager, especially with Norwich.
I'm not sure yet that you could describe his time at Ipswich has a success, he was appointed in October 2O18 with them bottom of the Championship and couldn't save them from relegation.
Lambert had a difficult time with Villa in the PL and had been in and out of jobs for a while, yet the owners thought he would be able to get to grips with considerable problems at Stoke and with just 15 games to play keep us in the PL.
It was a huge gamble and it backfired!
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 19, 2019 20:24:38 GMT
When it was put to Jones that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.”Absolute deluded fucking nonsense. Good thing position in the league hardly matters eh Happy bunch of lads slapping each other on the back as they slide to League One and Shrewsbury away, that's what I certainly want to see. Why? Are you a Fail Fan?
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 19, 2019 21:07:23 GMT
Remember Brian Clough had a win rate of 12.5% after 8 games at Leeds and was sacked. He then went to Nottingham Forest and the rest is history. Not suggesting NJ is in the same class has Clough, just that all managers can have difficult times, it doesn't mean they are useless. You wanted Mark Hughes to stay ffs And how many times have you posted about something that was later proven to be wrong? For the record, I believe MH would have kept us up. You wanted him to go ffs!
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 19, 2019 21:10:50 GMT
That's how I see it too. I think MH would have kept us up and then we could have made a planned transition, similar to Pulis to Hughes. I understand why they sacked him when they did, but unfortunately I think they reduced our chances of staying up by replacing him with Paul Lambert. The time for that transition, unfortunately, was the previous May, and they bottled it. But having bottled it, they were pressured (by who) into making a mid-season change when it would have been better (in hindsight) to have stayed the course, even if we still went down.
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Post by adi on Sept 19, 2019 21:15:16 GMT
Yes the owners had been under great pressure to remove him and then came Coventry.
I think it was a key moment and a major error of judgement by the owners in replacing him with Paul Lambert.
The error of judgement was not lining up a replacement before they sacked Hughes. Lambert was bang average but then he had no backing at all in the window, he could’ve done a decent job here had we stuck with him, I’d take him as manager over NJ or Rowett any day. Exactly. The board had resigned themselves and us to relegation by the time they had awoken from their slumber, appointed lambert and spent no money. As a result the thick beggars lost out on tens of millions. Terrible business
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Post by Gods on Sept 19, 2019 22:37:20 GMT
I agree, as it turned out MH only needed to find 3 more points or 4 points to allow for goal difference. We had a raft of home games against unfacied teams and Lambert didn't win a single match between his first and last games. Lambert needed to find four points you mean I meant had he stayed on... Folks were suggesting, rightly, he should not have been sacked in January.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 0:28:46 GMT
I think they are right, I expected mid table mediocrity after relegation.
I didn't expect a balls up of this size.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 20, 2019 8:00:04 GMT
Remember Brian Clough had a win rate of 12.5% after 8 games at Leeds and was sacked. He then went to Nottingham Forest and the rest is history. Not suggesting NJ is in the same class has Clough, just that all managers can have difficult times, it doesn't mean they are useless. Clough was given 44 days-NJ has had 6 times that period. Honestly, people who think that Jones will suddenly find the magic key are the type who thought that The Titanic was unsinkable despite the evidence to the contrary that was staring them in the face. There is only one place we are going under Nathan and that is towards a league where he does have a decent record.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 8:06:48 GMT
Remember Brian Clough had a win rate of 12.5% after 8 games at Leeds and was sacked. He then went to Nottingham Forest and the rest is history. Not suggesting NJ is in the same class has Clough, just that all managers can have difficult times, it doesn't mean they are useless. Clough was given 44 days-NJ has had 6 times that period. Honestly, people who think that Jones will suddenly find the magic key are the type who thought that The Titanic was unsinkable despite the evidence to the contrary that was staring them in the face. There is only one place we are going under Nathan and that is towards a league where he does have a decent record. Brian Clough was hopeless without Taylor
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Sept 20, 2019 8:13:47 GMT
"The most expensively assembled squad in the Championship – at more than £143m – sit bottom of the pile with one point. Stoke, who have endured their worst start to a season for more than a century, have forgotten how winning feels; t he last time they got three points was on 6 April and it is 200 days since victory before their home crowd. They have not won successive matches since October, when Gary Rowett was in charge and Dean Smith was still to replace Steve Bruce at Aston Villa. And some people still think the fans are being unbastardreasonable! It's the forgotten about winning comment that resonates most with me because it is so true and most of the time it looks as tho it will be an age before we sort it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2019 8:14:52 GMT
Clough was given 44 days-NJ has had 6 times that period. Honestly, people who think that Jones will suddenly find the magic key are the type who thought that The Titanic was unsinkable despite the evidence to the contrary that was staring them in the face. There is only one place we are going under Nathan and that is towards a league where he does have a decent record. Brian Clough was hopeless without Taylor Bit harsh. He did very well to keep Forest decent with a reduced budget in the 80s.
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2019 11:36:56 GMT
Lambert needed to find four points you mean I meant had he stayed on... Folks were suggesting, rightly, he should not have been sacked in January. Yes, with a healthy dose of hindsight. I do think we may have survived had Hughes stayed, but we'd suffered two five goal away defeats, two 3-0 home defeats and had slipped into the bottom three. When we lost at Coventry his position was pretty much untenable.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2019 12:26:11 GMT
I meant had he stayed on... Folks were suggesting, rightly, he should not have been sacked in January. Yes, with a healthy dose of hindsight. I do think we may have survived had Hughes stayed, but we'd suffered two five goal away defeats, two 3-0 home defeats and had slipped into the bottom three. When we lost at Coventry his position was pretty much untenable. Dave how do you come to that conclusion regarding Hughes🤔
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Post by Gods on Sept 20, 2019 12:30:31 GMT
I meant had he stayed on... Folks were suggesting, rightly, he should not have been sacked in January. Yes, with a healthy dose of hindsight. I do think we may have survived had Hughes stayed, but we'd suffered two five goal away defeats, two 3-0 home defeats and had slipped into the bottom three. When we lost at Coventry his position was pretty much untenable. True, we'll never know for sure will we, just felt there was a win in him somewhere although it didn't look much like it in his latter days !
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Post by thevoid on Sept 20, 2019 12:42:09 GMT
Lambert needed to find four points you mean I meant had he stayed on... Folks were suggesting, rightly, he should not have been sacked in January. No, she should have gone after we got creamed 4-1 at Palace
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2019 12:45:39 GMT
Yes, with a healthy dose of hindsight. I do think we may have survived had Hughes stayed, but we'd suffered two five goal away defeats, two 3-0 home defeats and had slipped into the bottom three. When we lost at Coventry his position was pretty much untenable. Dave how do you come to that conclusion regarding Hughes🤔 Bearing in mind we had 20 points when he left, I just think we'd have possibly scraped the fourteen points we needed to stay up from the remaining 16 games he'd have had. We'll never know though will we?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:49:08 GMT
Is "The Place" not still operating? Not sure! Was more of a Sammi Belles/Maxims person! We're getting old! Late night opening pubs killed the nightclub, I guess! Ah, Sammi Belles, Arctic light, No6 and a shag or a fight depending if you went the Rigger first. Happy Days GD
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