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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 14:57:20 GMT
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Post by chad on Sept 18, 2019 15:03:51 GMT
Quote from Coates not Jones and a perfectly reasonable statement. The first bit quotes Peter Coates. The final bit quotes Nathan Jones:- There has been no quick fix. Jones has been frank and when it was put to him that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.” Is this also a perfectly reasonable statement? No. It’s absolute bullshit
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 18, 2019 15:11:10 GMT
Quote from Coates not Jones and a perfectly reasonable statement. The first bit quotes Peter Coates. The final bit quotes Nathan Jones:- There has been no quick fix. Jones has been frank and when it was put to him that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.” Is this also a perfectly reasonable statement? no - he's fucking deluded debt's up, players worse, crowds down, cash more constrained. But hey, if a bunch of low grade Champs triers feel happy and comfortable now, that's lovely Nathan
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 18, 2019 15:24:06 GMT
"The most expensively assembled squad in the Championship – at more than £143m – sit bottom of the pile with one point. Stoke, who have endured their worst start to a season for more than a century, have forgotten how winning feels; t he last time they got three points was on 6 April and it is 200 days since victory before their home crowd. They have not won successive matches since October, when Gary Rowett was in charge and Dean Smith was still to replace Steve Bruce at Aston Villa. And some people still think the fans are being unbastardreasonable! Only one club has less points from their first 7 games since 2003 - Peterborough. The reason I stopped at 2003 is because the data ran out! So we have had the joint 383rd worst start out of 384 clubs in that time. However, we are in danger of looking far too narrowly at this. "Its just results - everything else is much better." .... apart from debt rising to close to 200m, the chances of relegation being stronger than 1 in 3 for our league position at this point, our players being worse, our crowds down 8% this season, our brand for attracting good players being eroded and our only assets with any real value - Allen and Butland - being worth 20m, which is about half of what they were worth less than 2 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 15:38:31 GMT
The squad was shite when we were dropping out of the prem. It's absolutely no better now. Anyone could see this! Shambles! Frustrated. Robo. Pi--ed off, sick of it, see no every cloud has a silver lining! Where's the rope?
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Post by march4 on Sept 18, 2019 15:53:12 GMT
I take it we haven’t changed managers today.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 18, 2019 16:27:55 GMT
Well in essence in the absence of any points on the board we're being asked to believe the time has been spent 'setting the stage', the performance itself will shortly commence! Yep pretty much sums it up! All the world’s a stage, And all the men and women merely players; They have their exits and their entrances, And one man in his time plays many parts, His acts being seven ages. At first, the infant, Mewling and puking in the nurse’s arms. Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel And shining morning face, creeping like snail Unwillingly to school. And then the lover, Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad Made to his mistress’ eyebrow. Then a soldier, Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard, Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel, Seeking the bubble reputation Even in the cannon’s mouth. And then the justice, In fair round belly with good capon lined, With eyes severe and beard of formal cut, Full of wise saws and modern instances; And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts Into the lean and slippered pantaloon, With spectacles on nose and pouch on side; His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice, Turning again toward childish treble, pipes And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all, That ends this strange eventful history, Is second childishness and mere oblivion, Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything. W. Shakespeare Sign him up. 😁
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 18, 2019 17:19:09 GMT
When it was put to Jones that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.”Absolute deluded fucking nonsense. Total heads gone. Well as long as you guys are having a good old knees up on the training pitch and canteen I would say all is good. Unfortunately atmosphere of a team who are rock bottom should epitomize that of the fans, absolute fuckkn despair, desperation, sadness and depression. But hey as long as you lot are ok you keep doing what you seem to be doing.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 18, 2019 17:38:54 GMT
In answer to the headline.....some of us did! Indeed. It wasn't rocket science though was it really.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 18, 2019 17:45:50 GMT
Remember Brian Clough had a win rate of 12.5% after 8 games at Leeds and was sacked. He then went to Nottingham Forest and the rest is history. Not suggesting NJ is in the same class has Clough, just that all managers can have difficult times, it doesn't mean they are useless. There are parallels in that both had/have players with a sense of self-aggrandisement who didn't or aren't performing, for whatever reason! But agree, managers, like players, either fit a club or don't!
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Post by stokemark on Sept 18, 2019 18:00:32 GMT
Remember Brian Clough had a win rate of 12.5% after 8 games at Leeds and was sacked. He then went to Nottingham Forest and the rest is history. Not suggesting NJ is in the same class has Clough, just that all managers can have difficult times, it doesn't mean they are useless. You wanted Mark Hughes to stay ffs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 18:27:30 GMT
When it was put to Jones that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.”Absolute deluded fucking nonsense. Is the squad really in a better position? We've got rid of some bad apples, granted, but we've let some go without replacing them properly, and we've signed twelve new players - of which Jones played three last weekend. Fucking three.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 18, 2019 18:31:21 GMT
I’m sorry but for me that’s got a touch of the ‘Gary Rowetts’ about it in the sense of he’s taking us for mugs.
Best to keep the fans on YOUR side Nathan lad
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 18, 2019 18:44:47 GMT
Remember Brian Clough had a win rate of 12.5% after 8 games at Leeds and was sacked. He then went to Nottingham Forest and the rest is history. Not suggesting NJ is in the same class has Clough, just that all managers can have difficult times, it doesn't mean they are useless. You wanted Mark Hughes to stay ifs I think Coates was right to allow Hughes to continue into his 5th season, after 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th. Having let him go to 23 games I think he should have kept him until the end of the season and decided on what action to take then. Asking Paul Lambert to keep us up with just 15 games left was a huge risk and one that was to cost us our PL place. You will say he should have sacked Hughes earlier, but Coates didn't do that and so yes I think Hughes should have stayed under those circumstances.
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Post by cooper67 on Sept 18, 2019 19:03:04 GMT
When it was put to Jones that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.”Absolute deluded fucking nonsense. I've been going up Queen's for 200 days and am yet to score but I've lost weight, bought new clothes and have saved on STD medication. So I have the equipment to progress just need a bit of luck with a blind woman! Queens has been closed for years! God knows where you've been going?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 19:17:49 GMT
As soon as I saw his replacement for Hughes (((lambert))) I saw it.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 18, 2019 19:38:43 GMT
We're a ticking time bomb, our wage bill must be massive and no one is taking responsibility for this. I'd sight the Smith and Ward signings and maybe chuck Duffy's wages onto the pile. Our finances are set against an expectation of promotion, this will not be happening anytime soon and I have no idea what the EFL will say when they realise how much debt we've accrued. We're running out of runway while mindlessly pressing the accelerator.
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Post by adi on Sept 18, 2019 19:41:19 GMT
What’s wrong with you all, he’s said everything is better. Just the results 😂😂😂😂 How thick does he think we are. You can’t make this shite up! To be honest I’d trade almost all of that for results.
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Post by adi on Sept 18, 2019 19:43:33 GMT
I expected better points. I felt we would get off to a poor start. Shawcross injury. Waiting to see if Badou was staying. Ryan woods was suppose to be leaving. We did not get in the wanted striker , the quality attributes DM or LB , on the final day of our transfer window. We've waited to see if Bruno was going. It only this week that our best team been available. Allen gets himself sent off. Regardless of our best team, we should be able to play almost any and all of our squad and compete but we’ve barely competed in hardly any games.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 18, 2019 20:19:59 GMT
I've been going up Queen's for 200 days and am yet to score but I've lost weight, bought new clothes and have saved on STD medication. So I have the equipment to progress just need a bit of luck with a blind woman! Queens has been closed for years! God knows where you've been going? The Adulte? Teddy's, Trentham Gardens? I haven't had a night out in a while!
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 18, 2019 20:29:03 GMT
Queens has been closed for years! God knows where you've been going? The Adulte? Teddy's, Trentham Gardens? I haven't had a night out in a while! The Adulteress fucking hell that brings back some memories some good some very bad.
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Post by cooper67 on Sept 18, 2019 20:34:48 GMT
Queens has been closed for years! God knows where you've been going? The Adulte? Teddy's, Trentham Gardens? I haven't had a night out in a while! Even I feel young now! Well before my time.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 18, 2019 20:36:20 GMT
Remember Brian Clough had a win rate of 12.5% after 8 games at Leeds and was sacked. He then went to Nottingham Forest and the rest is history. Not suggesting NJ is in the same class has Clough, just that all managers can have difficult times, it doesn't mean they are useless. Let's face it the Clough-Leeds situation was absolutely unique. Clough went into that job with an absolute hatred of all things Leeds United and the feeling was mutual from the players, yet he still had a better win rate than NJ.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 18, 2019 20:37:16 GMT
The Adulte? Teddy's, Trentham Gardens? I haven't had a night out in a while! Even I feel young now! Well before my time. Yes, the Adulte was more my Dad's time! As a mature (?) student used to take the young students to Queen's, they didn't stand a chance!
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Post by nott1 on Sept 19, 2019 10:47:18 GMT
Even I feel young now! Well before my time. Yes, the Adulte was more my Dad's time! As a mature (?) student used to take the young students to Queen's, they didn't stand a chance! Is "The Place" not still operating?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 19, 2019 11:12:08 GMT
Yes, the Adulte was more my Dad's time! As a mature (?) student used to take the young students to Queen's, they didn't stand a chance! Is "The Place" not still operating? Not sure! Was more of a Sammi Belles/Maxims person! We're getting old! Late night opening pubs killed the nightclub, I guess!
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 19, 2019 11:26:08 GMT
Remember Brian Clough had a win rate of 12.5% after 8 games at Leeds and was sacked. He then went to Nottingham Forest and the rest is history. Not suggesting NJ is in the same class has Clough, just that all managers can have difficult times, it doesn't mean they are useless. Let's face it the Clough-Leeds situation was absolutely unique. Clough went into that job with an absolute hatred of all things Leeds United and the feeling was mutual from the players, yet he st ill had a better win rate than NJ. You're correct that it was a unique situation in one sense, but in the joint interview both Revie and Clough agreed that the suggestion Leeds players were not trying in those 8 games was totally unjustified.
Clough almost certainly changed the tactics, perhaps changed the training, was likely to have been abrasive but he clearly mishandled the situation which shows even the most successful managers can get it wrong.
One of Nathan's earlier comments was judge me when I've got my own squad, hardly likely have gone down well with some of the players signed by Rowett.
In any case what we often see is that managers who are successful at other clubs can still experience failure, that does not make them useless managers.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 19, 2019 12:28:01 GMT
Quote from Coates not Jones and a perfectly reasonable statement. The first bit quotes Peter Coates. The final bit quotes Nathan Jones:- There has been no quick fix. Jones has been frank and when it was put to him that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.” Is this also a perfectly reasonable statement? No it’s ridiculous. The man is totally deluded or trying to put a brave face on what is an absolute shit show.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 19, 2019 13:37:07 GMT
What’s wrong with you all, he’s said everything is better. Just the results 😂😂😂😂 How thick does he think we are. You can’t make this shite up! To be honest I’d trade almost all of that for results. Me too. Not only do we only have one point, there’s no sign of any improvement. Just a couple of good 45 min performances. The only team we have beaten this season is Wigan reserves.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 19, 2019 15:21:14 GMT
You wanted Mark Hughes to stay ifs I think Coates was right to allow Hughes to continue into his 5th season, after 9th, 9th, 9th, 13th. Having let him go to 23 games I think he should have kept him until the end of the season and decided on what action to take then. Asking Paul Lambert to keep us up with just 15 games left was a huge risk and one that was to cost us our PL place. You will say he should have sacked Hughes earlier, but Coates didn't do that and so yes I think Hughes should have stayed under those circumstances. That's how I see it too. I think MH would have kept us up and then we could have made a planned transition, similar to Pulis to Hughes. I understand why they sacked him when they did, but unfortunately I think they reduced our chances of staying up by replacing him with Paul Lambert.
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