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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 18, 2019 12:18:32 GMT
Titanic 2
is it on sale now ?
where can I get it ? ((((wink)))
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2019 12:19:23 GMT
Allen out suspended, Badou in, 3 wins on the trot and the world will be a different place. We've been here before.
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Post by chumley on Sept 18, 2019 12:19:54 GMT
Now I'm not saying any of it is 100% correct but because of whom it has come from I have decided to share it, make of it what you will. Nathan Jones is on the verge of quitting and Chris Hughton is lined up to replace him, apparently this is nailed on and will happen very soon (the next week or so). I can't be arsed to go into all the details that I was told but that's the crux of that. Adam Davies has had a massive fall out with Jones as he was promised the no 1 spot in goal but when no one came in for Butland in the summer it pissed on that fire, and Davies threw his toys out of his pram. Butland and Allen had assurances when they signed extended contracts that they if fit they would always be picked for the first team for league matches, this is causing some bitterness in the dressing room as you can imagine. Ryan Woods wants to leave because he doesn't feel like he's being treated fair. Gouranga.
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Post by chumley on Sept 18, 2019 12:20:55 GMT
Now I'm not saying any of it is 100% correct but because of whom it has come from I have decided to share it, make of it what you will. Nathan Jones is on the verge of quitting and Chris Hughton is lined up to replace him, apparently this is nailed on and will happen very soon (the next week or so). I can't be arsed to go into all the details that I was told but that's the crux of that. Adam Davies has had a massive fall out with Jones as he was promised the no 1 spot in goal but when no one came in for Butland in the summer it pissed on that fire, and Davies threw his toys out of his pram. Butland and Allen had assurances when they signed extended contracts that they if fit they would always be picked for the first team for league matches, this is causing some bitterness in the dressing room as you can imagine. Ryan Woods wants to leave because he doesn't feel like he's being treated fair. Gouranga. Firstly i would find it bit hard to belive Jones will walk thus losing any pay off unless its in hos contract. Adam davies throwing tedy out seems very believable. Butland was dropped for past few games so that kind of puts that to bed, Allen has been dropped and needs dropping for a while imo woods, yes can see it. I spoke with ex coach from stoke who said Jones will not be able to handle big name players and i believe that's where Hart comes into it, same bloke also said there was something not right within the club, within the core of it and maybe the Allen 'will play' agreement is what he was on about ???
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 18, 2019 12:21:36 GMT
Allen out suspended, Badou in, 3 wins on the trot and the world will be a different place. We've been here before. Not for 118 years we haven't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 12:29:41 GMT
I can actually see Jones resigning. I think he's bold enough, and has been very open in his pressers that he hasn't delivered what he promised yet.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 18, 2019 12:30:16 GMT
Wow, he looks down in the dumps. Poor fucker. What was he doing down at Leek anyway? Didn't know he wore glasses.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 18, 2019 12:34:14 GMT
Didn't know he wore glasses. Maybe he wanted to see what the fuss was about! He does look terrible!
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Post by medwaypotter on Sept 18, 2019 12:34:27 GMT
Wow, he looks down in the dumps. Poor fucker. What was he doing down at Leek anyway? Didn't know he wore glasses. maybe that's been the problem, he may now be able to see the problems ?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 18, 2019 12:37:07 GMT
I can actually see Jones resigning. I think he's bold enough, and has been very open in his pressers that he hasn't delivered what he promised yet. To be fair he couldn't hardly claim he has delivered, he should have kept his own council instead of raising false hopes, his signings have been the polar opposite to what he promised as has the football.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 18, 2019 12:39:41 GMT
Wow, he looks down in the dumps. Poor fucker. What was he doing down at Leek anyway? Didn't know he wore glasses. Checking out his next level as a manager, or scouting for a LB.
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Post by rawli on Sept 18, 2019 13:14:48 GMT
Titanic 2 is it on sale now ? where can I get it ? ((((wink))) It will be out at the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 13:29:53 GMT
I can actually see Jones resigning. I think he's bold enough, and has been very open in his pressers that he hasn't delivered what he promised yet. To be fair he couldn't hardly claim he has delivered, he should have kept his own council instead of raising false hopes, his signings have been the polar opposite to what he promised as has the football. Agreed... But usually its everyone elses fault. He's taken absolute responsibility and not trying to hide
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Post by robrigo on Sept 18, 2019 13:30:04 GMT
The bloke looks nackered. I’ve nothing against the bloke personally but by God, it looks like the job of managing SCFC is taking its toll.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 14:20:25 GMT
I can actually see Jones resigning. I think he's bold enough, and has been very open in his pressers that he hasn't delivered what he promised yet. I disagree but amicable mutual consent would probably be more literal, as the Coates tend to offer a lengthy amount of severence pay. If they do let him go it won't be out of anger but despair.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 18, 2019 14:26:32 GMT
If that is true - and it sounds plausable even if not actually true - then Butland and Allen need dropping and loaned out with a view to sell otherwise any manager is going to have exactly the same issues in terms of motivating the squad. You can't operate a two tier dressing room.
Also none of that will have been Jones - or Rowetts - fault. Promises about contracts will not have been made by the manager and if either manager has had to operate under those conditions whoever setup those "deals" needs removing from the club as well.
Finally if Jones does walk citing mental health issues he could file for constructive dismissal based on intolerable working conditions and/or make a personal injury claim (in practice he'd get a payoff before it went to tribunal). Win or lose the club will look a shambles and no reputable manager would touch us with a barge pole.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 18, 2019 15:46:57 GMT
If that is true - and it sounds plausable even if not actually true - then Butland and Allen need dropping and loaned out with a view to sell otherwise any manager is going to have exactly the same issues in terms of motivating the squad. You can't operate a two tier dressing room. Also none of that will have been Jones - or Rowetts - fault. Promises about contracts will not have been made by the manager and if either manager has had to operate under those conditions whoever setup those "deals" needs removing from the club as well. Finally if Jones does walk citing mental health issues he could file for constructive dismissal based on intolerable working conditions and/or make a personal injury claim (in practice he'd get a payoff before it went to tribunal). Win or lose the club will look a shambles and no reputable manager would touch us with a barge pole. Jack butland didn't sign a new contract so obviously it isnt true. The thread should have ended right there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 15:49:23 GMT
If that is true - and it sounds plausable even if not actually true - then Butland and Allen need dropping and loaned out with a view to sell otherwise any manager is going to have exactly the same issues in terms of motivating the squad. You can't operate a two tier dressing room. Also none of that will have been Jones - or Rowetts - fault. Promises about contracts will not have been made by the manager and if either manager has had to operate under those conditions whoever setup those "deals" needs removing from the club as well. Finally if Jones does walk citing mental health issues he could file for constructive dismissal based on intolerable working conditions and/or make a personal injury claim (in practice he'd get a payoff before it went to tribunal). Win or lose the club will look a shambles and no reputable manager would touch us with a barge pole. Intolerable working conditions!! He's getting paid millions to manage a football team not diamond mining in Africa ffs
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 18, 2019 16:40:51 GMT
Just one on Twitter yesterday,I’ll try and find it This one? He really really doesn’t look well. I think that’s what separates and adheres Jones to the fans from the last couple of managers, and what’s bought him so much time and bare with me on this. He seems to be giving absolutely EVERYTHING to this club, including his health and mental health by the look of things, which we haven’t had since Pulis (?) and I dread to think what effect this is having on his new marriage. I really, really hope we turn a corner for his sake because this can’t carry on, for Jones himself, the club and the fans. I just have this nagging feeling we’ll sack him, he’ll go to Lincoln or something equally daft and be a roaring success, get into the champ and be successful. I said on another thread, I feel like he’s the right man at the wrong time. Almost If we’d held onto Rowett until the end of the season then got Jones summer just gone.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 18, 2019 16:46:10 GMT
He really really doesn’t look well. I think that’s what separates and adheres Jones to the fans from the last couple of managers, and what’s bought him so much time and bare with me on this. He seems to be giving absolutely EVERYTHING to this club, including his health and mental health by the look of things, which we haven’t had since Pulis (?) and I dread to think what effect this is having on his new marriage. I really, really hope we turn a corner for his sake because this can’t carry on, for Jones himself, the club and the fans. I just have this nagging feeling we’ll sack him, he’ll go to Lincoln or something equally daft and be a roaring success, get into the champ and be successful. I said on another thread, I feel like he’s the right man at the wrong time. Almost If we’d held onto Rowett until the end of the season then got Jones summer just gone. Somebody should tell him to go......for his healths sake of course.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 18, 2019 17:03:30 GMT
He's trying so hard, but just isn't experienced enough. And not clever enough to work without experience - very few are.
He hasn't got the reserves of knowledge to call on which would otherwise tell him things like... - how do you build a new squad - in one go? or more slowly? - which players will perform well in the Championship? - System first or players first? When and why? - How do you scrape an ugly win? etc etc
As a guy though, that's totally different. My sincere wish for Nathan - without an ounce of malice - is that he leaves ASAP, has a rest, gets a new opportunity in L1, takes these lessons, gets one or more mentors, and builds himself a good career over the next 10 years and more.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 18, 2019 17:05:53 GMT
If that is true - and it sounds plausable even if not actually true - then Butland and Allen need dropping and loaned out with a view to sell otherwise any manager is going to have exactly the same issues in terms of motivating the squad. You can't operate a two tier dressing room. Also none of that will have been Jones - or Rowetts - fault. Promises about contracts will not have been made by the manager and if either manager has had to operate under those conditions whoever setup those "deals" needs removing from the club as well. Finally if Jones does walk citing mental health issues he could file for constructive dismissal based on intolerable working conditions and/or make a personal injury claim (in practice he'd get a payoff before it went to tribunal). Win or lose the club will look a shambles and no reputable manager would touch us with a barge pole. Intolerable working conditions!! He's getting paid millions to manage a football team not diamond mining in Africa ffs At the moment Health and Standards in the workplace in the UK are far better than in South Africa - and the provision of a working environment that does not result in an employee having a nervous breakdown and possible medium/long term mental health issues is a perfectly reasonable expectation. But don't worry - if the Tories get there way we will be operating to WTO rules and third world H&S standards so little things like damaging someone's mental health will once again be the macho expectation of every line manager/overseer/gang master across the UK. Happy days.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 18, 2019 17:07:56 GMT
I like the bloke, I think he genuinely has given it his best shit, but like others before he seems to have been stumped by the conundrum that is Stoke city circa 2016 - now!!.If I was his wife I would be telling him for the same of his health he needs to step away. He is young and yes this will be a setback but there is no reason why he couldn't be successful somewhere else in the future.
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Post by fulagoals on Sept 18, 2019 17:10:10 GMT
Now I'm not saying any of it is 100% correct but because of whom it has come from I have decided to share it, make of it what you will. Nathan Jones is on the verge of quitting and Chris Hughton is lined up to replace him, apparently this is nailed on and will happen very soon (the next week or so). I can't be arsed to go into all the details that I was told but that's the crux of that. Adam Davies has had a massive fall out with Jones as he was promised the no 1 spot in goal but when no one came in for Butland in the summer it pissed on that fire, and Davies threw his toys out of his pram. Butland and Allen had assurances when they signed extended contracts that they if fit they would always be picked for the first team for league matches, this is causing some bitterness in the dressing room as you can imagine. Ryan Woods wants to leave because he doesn't feel like he's being treated fair. Gouranga. How’s the hangover today Albie??
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 18, 2019 18:04:13 GMT
FFS...even Stevie Wonder can see he isn't up for it! Action NOW!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 18:36:02 GMT
Newcastle fan? Not. Long standing Stoke fan, who believed this club could live with the best of em, and sincerely hoped could match them all eventually. This is soul destroying at this moment in time, and despite my constant carping on here, nothing would please me more, than us getting back to where I believe we belong. I'm still hoping that my personal dream will come true, to see us win the F.A.Cup. Beating the likes of Manu, City, Liverpool, Arsenal and all the rest of them, is what I used to live for. The sooner we get back to being able to beat that lot and all the others, the better. This shower is making me cry inside!
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 18, 2019 18:42:42 GMT
Butland didn't sign one, did he? I don't believe the Allen thing either. The Davies thing is plausible, but if it's true it just makes Davies look like a child. Completely disagree. If true he’s left Barnsley on assurances made which don’t sound like they have been “if Butland is going” but “when” Butland goes as they expected Butland to go. Obviously Butland hasn’t gone and there’s not much anyone can do but it’s daft of the club to make assurances to someone they can’t guarantee and yet we’ve see them do similarly daft things before (like giving Bauer a 5 year contract without knowing if the manager wanted him). It doesn’t make him a “child”. Doesn't make him a good keeper either...and what I saw pre-season wasn't too impressive...probably why Federici is ahead of him
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 18, 2019 18:45:48 GMT
Wow, he looks down in the dumps. Poor fucker.[/quote ]He’s in Leek. Cheeky fecker
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 18, 2019 19:29:11 GMT
Completely disagree. If true he’s left Barnsley on assurances made which don’t sound like they have been “if Butland is going” but “when” Butland goes as they expected Butland to go. Obviously Butland hasn’t gone and there’s not much anyone can do but it’s daft of the club to make assurances to someone they can’t guarantee and yet we’ve see them do similarly daft things before (like giving Bauer a 5 year contract without knowing if the manager wanted him). It doesn’t make him a “child”. Doesn't make him a good keeper either...and what I saw pre-season wasn't too impressive...probably why Federici is ahead of him Have you seen the video of him ?, I have never seen a keeper parry so many shots back into the danger area who ever signed him needs a right bollocking.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Sept 18, 2019 19:35:43 GMT
Don't think Villa or Burnley would change. Southampton generally look abroad and have a good manager. Palace may well change but are they really going to turn to a bloke with Brighton connections as their first choice? Sheffield Utd maybe, depends how they do and on the ownership situation. Don't see him managing abroad unless he can't find work here. I could certainly see him going to another reasonably sized Championship club but I'd put us very much in that mix. Yeah - I think you're down to Bournemouth, Palace, Villa, Norwich, Newcastle, Burnley and Sheff Utd that would even give that profile the time of day. Of them, can see Villa, Norwich, Sheff Utd sticking even if they go down - the managers are just far too popular and we're miles from that point anyway. So that leaves Bournemouth (Howe's still got tons of credit) - then Palace, Newcastle and Burnley as possibles - if they were in dire straits. And can't imagine Burnley would sack Dyche even if they go down. So he's basically down to a return to Newcastle or Palace should things get disastrous - and can't see either having him on their shortlist. Then he's down to the Championship - and anything that comes up will involve a team who's in the shit (although ideally not as much shit as we're in, but as he admitted, managers like him have to lump it) from July.. And can’t see him going back to Newcastle after how he was sacked by Mike Ashley last time.
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