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Post by fentonstokie1 on Sept 17, 2019 7:56:35 GMT
Butland Carter-Vickers Collins Martins-Indi Woods Smith Etebo Badou Clucas Vokes Campbell Similar set up to Leeds where we looked solid and a threat on the break...... I like that side but I'd have to go with Edwards rather than Smith. Like it, no Ince no Allen, the two combined couldn't out muscle our Shi-Tzu that'll do for me.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Sept 17, 2019 8:34:10 GMT
So everyone keeps moaning about making changes every game yet the majority have said 4+ changes. So I'm guessing people want to see loads of changes? I'd keep the same team but Etebo to replace Allen which has to happen. One enforced change try get some momentum going? I'd possibly put Collins in at the back for maybe CCV but I'd happily stick with same 10, see what happens. BANG ON!!!! People rightly slating Jones for changing and over complication, then ask for 4 plus changes? WTF! Etebo for Allen is enough. Long tern CCV seems a bit short for CB for me, but for now, build on a decent performance and change nothing.
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Post by mcw on Sept 17, 2019 9:20:23 GMT
So everyone keeps moaning about making changes every game yet the majority have said 4+ changes. So I'm guessing people want to see loads of changes? I'd keep the same team but Etebo to replace Allen which has to happen. One enforced change try get some momentum going? I'd possibly put Collins in at the back for maybe CCV but I'd happily stick with same 10, see what happens. BANG ON!!!! People rightly slating Jones for changing and over complication, then ask for 4 plus changes? WTF! Etebo for Allen is enough. Long tern CCV seems a bit short for CB for me, but for now, build on a decent performance and change nothing. Beggar's belief doesn't it, we put in a decent performance and suddenly after everyone slates the manager for making too many changes then everyone is clamoring for multiple changes! Therein lies the problem though, too many players in the squad means too much temptation to fiddle, chop and change and destroys any kind of rhythm. I reckon most teams that get relegated have not fielded a stable team over a consistent period of time. If Jones wants to save himself (which may not be possible in any case) then step 1 is settling on a team and a system and sticking with it if the green shoots of recovery seem to be there.
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Post by windows1 on Sept 17, 2019 11:28:37 GMT
-----------Butland----------- ----Lindsey--CVV--BMI----- edwards----------------smith ------------Badou------------ ----Etebo ---------Clucus--- ----------Gregroy----------- -----------Hogan-------------
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Post by madeleystokie on Sept 17, 2019 12:17:05 GMT
Two changes for definite: Batth in for Carter-Vickers and Etebo for Allen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 12:21:02 GMT
So everyone keeps moaning about making changes every game yet the majority have said 4+ changes. So I'm guessing people want to see loads of changes? I'd keep the same team but Etebo to replace Allen which has to happen. One enforced change try get some momentum going? I'd possibly put Collins in at the back for maybe CCV but I'd happily stick with same 10, see what happens. BANG ON!!!! People rightly slating Jones for changing and over complication, then ask for 4 plus changes? WTF! Etebo for Allen is enough. Long tern CCV seems a bit short for CB for me, but for now, build on a decent performance and change nothing. I don't really know why CCV is better than Collins but even I don't want him to change it bar Etebo for Allen. If Ince doesn't make an effort he needs to be taken off for Duffy before 70 minutes. It would be nice to play 2 up to but he's needs to just stick with it now and see if it works.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 17, 2019 12:27:33 GMT
I spoken to a lot of Derby fans since their 3-0 defeat at Brentford a couple of weeks back and everyone of them said they got absolutely murdered by them and it should have been 7 or 8.They push their quick wingbacks well forward and cause teams loads of trouble at their place.I really hate to be defeatist but I see nothing other than another loss sadly I saw the highlights of this and Brentford were sensational. The one touch passing and pace at which they broke was something to behold. Should well have been more than 3. If that Brentford turn up then I think we'll be defending from the edge of the box to stop them getting in behind and lumping long for Gregory to chase.
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Post by djralphy1984 on Sept 17, 2019 12:29:53 GMT
4312 formation
Butland
Edwards Batth Carter Vickers Martins Indi
Clucas Etebo Badou
Ince
Hogan Gregory
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 17, 2019 14:15:21 GMT
It's a bigger game than it should be because of our dreadful start obviously.
Nothing to fear though. Certainly Etebo in and really looking forward to seeing how him and Badou play together for a few games. I also think he'll stick with 3 CBs.
Still feel like he's close to making it a bit better. But no doubt time's running out for him. A win going into the two big home games against Huddersfield and Forest would be fantastic.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 17, 2019 14:17:54 GMT
No logic, but my spidy senses say 0 v 2 to Stoke. God knows why.
Perhaps an og or a peno or a bad ref decision, think we’ll get lucky
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 17, 2019 14:23:59 GMT
It's a bigger game than it should be because of our dreadful start obviously. Nothing to fear though. Certainly Etebo in and really looking forward to seeing how him and Badou play together for a few games. I also think he'll stick with 3 CBs. Still feel like he's close to making it a bit better. But no doubt time's running out for him. A win going into the two big home games against Huddersfield and Forest would be fantastic. I wish there was nothing to fear.
We got completely outplayed in January, and I expect the same again unfortunately.
But I agree I'm looking forward to seeing Etebo and NDiaye playing together without Allen, see what happens. A win would be massive. I'm still in negative nancy mode right now though so I can't see it!
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Post by mcw on Sept 17, 2019 14:24:49 GMT
Brentford break forwards and smash the ball against the crossbar with incredible force, it ricochets back towards the half-way line and bounces off the top of the referee's head to put gregory through one on one. A bad first touch makes it seem as though the keeper is odds on favourite to get to the ball, however he hasn't seen that one of his boot laces has come undone. He proceeds to trip over his own feet and despite gregory air swiping with his shot the ball trickles towards the goal line. Two Brentford defenders are haring back and collide with one another as the ball trickles over the line. In the ensuring Brentford fury at the referee's unintentional intervention two of their players are sent off and the referee is so incensed that he gives everything and anything Stoke's way for the rest of the game. Stoke gallantly hold out in a backs to the wall defensive display to end up winning 0-1.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 17, 2019 14:27:49 GMT
It's a bigger game than it should be because of our dreadful start obviously. Nothing to fear though. Certainly Etebo in and really looking forward to seeing how him and Badou play together for a few games. I also think he'll stick with 3 CBs. Still feel like he's close to making it a bit better. But no doubt time's running out for him. A win going into the two big home games against Huddersfield and Forest would be fantastic. I wish there was nothing to fear. We got completely outplayed in January, and I expect the same again unfortunately. But I agree I'm looking forward to seeing Etebo and NDiaye playing together without Allen, see what happens. A win would be massive. I'm still in negative nancy mode right now though so I can't see it!
With our squad I don't think we should fear anyone in this league. I agree we were pasted in Nathan's first game, but the Derby game aside, they've been a bit hit and miss this season. They do seem to have the knack of selling their best players and replacing them with equally good ones though. Be nice for Scott Hogan to play and score there. Isn't that where he earned his big money move to Villa?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 17, 2019 14:34:51 GMT
Gregory on his own up front will not work! Even the Millwall fans told us that. Either play a motivated Hogan or go for Vokes to rattle them a bit. I hate three at the back though as we don't have the wingbacks in my opinion.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 17, 2019 14:35:06 GMT
I wish there was nothing to fear. We got completely outplayed in January, and I expect the same again unfortunately. But I agree I'm looking forward to seeing Etebo and NDiaye playing together without Allen, see what happens. A win would be massive. I'm still in negative nancy mode right now though so I can't see it!
With our squad I don't think we should fear anyone in this league. I agree we were pasted in Nathan's first game, but the Derby game aside, they've been a bit hit and miss this season. They do seem to have the knack of selling their best players and replacing them with equally good ones though. Be nice for Scott Hogan to play and score there. Isn't that where he earned his big money move to Villa? In my head for whatever reason I can't see Jones playing 2 up top (we absolutely must though). I can see him playing Gregory up top on his own again.
I certainly don't think we'll take Brentford on in an attacking sense. In fact, I can see him playing 4-5-1, shoving Bruno into LB, then McClean for LM, Ince RM, NDiaye - Etebo - Clucas the CM's, then Gregory up top on his own. My ideal is 4-2-3-1 or get cracking on making this diamond work.
Yeah that was when Hogan got his big money move to Villa, didn't work out too well for him really though in the end.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2019 14:43:09 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 17, 2019 14:45:23 GMT
They play with pace though. Canos is tricky and direct, as is Mbuemo and Watkins, not to mention Rico Henry. But...they lost away to Preston (as did we of course) so we mustn't think they're unplayable. Nathan needs to get his tactics spot on though!
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2019 14:47:35 GMT
As nailed on a home win as you can get isn't it? Would normally be pleased with a draw but we are desperate for wins.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 17, 2019 15:03:36 GMT
I spoken to a lot of Derby fans since their 3-0 defeat at Brentford a couple of weeks back and everyone of them said they got absolutely murdered by them and it should have been 7 or 8.They push their quick wingbacks well forward and cause teams loads of trouble at their place.I really hate to be defeatist but I see nothing other than another loss sadly I saw the highlights of this and Brentford were sensational. The one touch passing and pace at which they broke was something to behold. Should well have been more than 3. If that Brentford turn up then I think we'll be defending from the edge of the box to stop them getting in behind and lumping long for Gregory to chase. The key to their game is their wing backs and on that day against Derby they were unplayable apparently.We need to nullify them to have any chance at all
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 17, 2019 15:03:41 GMT
With our squad I don't think we should fear anyone in this league. I agree we were pasted in Nathan's first game, but the Derby game aside, they've been a bit hit and miss this season. They do seem to have the knack of selling their best players and replacing them with equally good ones though. Be nice for Scott Hogan to play and score there. Isn't that where he earned his big money move to Villa? In my head for whatever reason I can't see Jones playing 2 up top (we absolutely must though). I can see him playing Gregory up top on his own again. I certainly don't think we'll take Brentford on in an attacking sense. In fact, I can see him playing 4-5-1, shoving Bruno into LB, then McClean for LM, Ince RM, NDiaye - Etebo - Clucas the CM's, then Gregory up top on his own. My ideal is 4-2-3-1 or get cracking on making this diamond work.
Yeah that was when Hogan got his big money move to Villa, didn't work out too well for him really though in the end. I'm not sure he'll play 2 up away from home either. I think he might tweak it slightly from Saturday. We looked good in patches again but yet again were undone by poor defending. I think there will be some pressure to play 2 up at home though. It seems nearly too simple, but an old fashioned 4-4-2 with the full backs staying at home, the African powerhouse centre mid, Ince and Clucas wide with Gregory + 1 other up front might work He might persist with trying to work it into his diamond though, which I don't mind if he creates as many opportunities as it did against Derby.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 17, 2019 15:19:10 GMT
In my head for whatever reason I can't see Jones playing 2 up top (we absolutely must though). I can see him playing Gregory up top on his own again. I certainly don't think we'll take Brentford on in an attacking sense. In fact, I can see him playing 4-5-1, shoving Bruno into LB, then McClean for LM, Ince RM, NDiaye - Etebo - Clucas the CM's, then Gregory up top on his own. My ideal is 4-2-3-1 or get cracking on making this diamond work.
Yeah that was when Hogan got his big money move to Villa, didn't work out too well for him really though in the end. I'm not sure he'll play 2 up away from home either. I think he might tweak it slightly from Saturday. We looked good in patches again but yet again were undone by poor defending. I think there will be some pressure to play 2 up at home though. It seems nearly too simple, but an old fashioned 4-4-2 with the full backs staying at home, the African powerhouse centre mid, Ince and Clucas wide with Gregory + 1 other up front might work He might persist with trying to work it into his diamond though, which I don't mind if he creates as many opportunities as it did against Derby. He might have to go back to a basic asf 4-4-2 to accomdate what we need.
In that case that will be what you said, two banks of 4, Clucas and Ince them LM/RM respectively, McClean back in LB. Gregory + 1 other up top to maximise goal scoring chances.
I'd have Hogan with him. Campbell from the bench, though he played decent against Villa U23's.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 17, 2019 16:08:17 GMT
With us playing 3 games in less than 7 days he'll definitely make changes its an excuse for him to do so!
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Post by Goonie on Sept 17, 2019 17:07:00 GMT
-----------Butland----------- ----Lindsey--CVV--BMI----- edwards----------------smith ------------Badou------------ ----Etebo ---------Clucus--- ----------Gregroy----------- -----------Hogan------------- Tempted swap Batth for Lindsay and Campbell last 15-20 to terrorize the defence who are hopefully tired!
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 17, 2019 17:37:43 GMT
Tough one as we didn’t play too bad on Saturday but I’d go with
Butland Collins. CCV. Lindsay Edwards. Clucas. Ward NDiaye. Etebo Duffy Hogan
I don’t think it’s a great idea to keep chopping and changing and here I am saying we need 5 changes
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Post by neddy on Sept 17, 2019 17:39:33 GMT
Butland
Smith
Collins Baath Lindsay
BMI
Etebo Badou Clucas
Gregory Campbell
We just can’t lose or he is a gonner!
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 17, 2019 18:20:36 GMT
Quite a few posters bigging up Brentford. Apart from the Derby performance the rest of their results haven't been impressive at all. Bizarrely they have scored less goals than us...5 and 3 came against Derby and they have drawn a blank 4 games out of 7. Struggling to score without Maupay so if we can get our shit together defensively than could be 0-0 and Jones gets credit in the bank.
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Post by march4 on Sept 17, 2019 18:23:41 GMT
One thing is for sure, the opposition will score at least two goals.
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2019 18:36:48 GMT
One thing is for sure, the opposition will score at least two goals. Agreed And I think this likely to continue regardless of a change of manager for months at least. Given that the only option is go all out attack, try and win 4.3 every week. Obviously we will get some spankings but we would also get some wins which is more than we are getting now.
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Post by march4 on Sept 17, 2019 19:00:51 GMT
One thing is for sure, the opposition will score at least two goals. Agreed And I think this likely to continue regardless of a change of manager for months at least. Given that the only option is go all out attack, try and win 4.3 every week. Obviously we will get some spankings but we would also get some wins which is more than we are getting now. However we haven’t scored three goals in a game since Noah thought about building a boat.
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2019 19:25:43 GMT
Agreed And I think this likely to continue regardless of a change of manager for months at least. Given that the only option is go all out attack, try and win 4.3 every week. Obviously we will get some spankings but we would also get some wins which is more than we are getting now. However we haven’t scored three goals in a game since Noah thought about building a boat. No we haven't. But let's just go for it.
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