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Post by followyoudown on Dec 8, 2019 13:20:32 GMT
She'd probably still laugh. Fucking weirdo. She has been tipped as a future party leader, though she has said she is more interested in grass-roots politics. Grass roots it is then She should be in the shadow treasury team in a matter of weeks she went from not being able to afford a house on a £76k mps salary to paying cash for a £250k house. Still the plan is apparently racist grandpa stands down after defeat, ,Mcdonnell takes over as caretaker until Wrong Daily is elected at the party conference, personally I was hoping for Burgon but Wrong Daily will do the job for 2024
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Post by Gods on Dec 8, 2019 13:42:27 GMT
Five different polls this weekend showing the Tories with a 10 point lead, would mean a 45 to 50 seat majority, and this morning's neatly timed announcement to kick a few foreigners in to touch designed to seal the deal. I fancy the game is well and truly up. If only Labour had not fallen into the hands of Momentum.
Hope a liberal centre ground, pro business, pro education, pro equal rights, pro Europe, pro the environment reformer can emerge from the ashes.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 8, 2019 14:01:29 GMT
Five different polls this weekend showing the Tories with a 10 point lead, would mean a 45 to 50 seat majority, and this morning's neatly timed announcement to kick a few foreigners in to touch designed to seal the deal. I fancy the game is well and truly up. If only Labour had not fallen into the hands of Momentum. Hope a liberal centre ground, pro business, pro education, pro equal rights, pro Europe, pro the environment reformer can emerge from the ashes. And one that appeals to its core support
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 8, 2019 14:40:13 GMT
Five different polls this weekend showing the Tories with a 10 point lead, would mean a 45 to 50 seat majority, and this morning's neatly timed announcement to kick a few foreigners in to touch designed to seal the deal. I fancy the game is well and truly up. If only Labour had not fallen into the hands of Momentum. Hope a liberal centre ground, pro business, pro education, pro equal rights, pro Europe, pro the environment reformer can emerge from the ashes. The people get the Government they deserve...
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Post by serpico on Dec 8, 2019 15:00:45 GMT
I think labour and the left in general need to drop the identitarian stuff if they hope to win power again, they need to broaden their appeal beyond the middle class luvvies who go to glastonbury and make their own nettle wine, the fact many in working class areas will go and vote tory over labour just shows you there's a huge disconnect now.
labour would have done much better if they'd have run with a policy of lowering immigration, not doing so has hurt them imo, like it or not large swathes of this country want to see immigration reformed, the could easily have made a left wing case for lowing immigration numbers.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 8, 2019 15:21:53 GMT
Not at all it was restrained that's all. Corbyn looks Prime Ministerial against Johnson which might influence a few genuine undecideds, the debate was an even to and fro with a few surprise wins for either side. Labour needed a win which they didn't get for sure but I sense a genuine weariness with Johnson's one club approach. Corbyn has many issues but Johnson's biggest problem is that he is a slippery twat. Anyone with a basic reading of the human condition cam see that and I wonder if it might cost him a fair few votes in the end? hopefully 6000 to labour in his constituency The PMs majority is actually 5034 so I suppose you meant to say " hopefully just over 5000 to labour in his constituency". However, even Dianne Abacus would be able to tell you that, all other things being equal, the figure you really need is for 2518 to move from Tory to Labour which, in a constituency of 72,000 voters, doesn't sound completely put of reach. Particularly as his opponent is one Ali Milani, so postal votes could well be a crucial deciding factor
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 8, 2019 18:54:27 GMT
Vote Labour
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Post by Northy on Dec 8, 2019 19:04:37 GMT
I haven't seen any of them, I'm not that bothered as they all talk shit and avoid the questions the best they can 😂 They said they would have had a selfie with Corbyn if he'd asked
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Post by Gods on Dec 8, 2019 19:05:19 GMT
The Labour campaign has been a bit crackers in fairness. Example:
Take BT in to public ownership to give the whole country free broadband. Most people think is just unnecessary and a bit daft.
Why not instead go on free dentistry if you want to appeal to the working less well off. People get that, indeed expect it with an NHS, would play out far better with the electorate.
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Post by Northy on Dec 8, 2019 19:09:49 GMT
Beds are probably full of some of the 6.5 million immigrants we've had in over the last few years thanks to Labour's Blair & Co not signing up to limited numbers, how much does the NHS pay out in PFI's to Labours Cronies thanks to Blair, that could be doing a lot of good, along with the £8 billion it's paying out (and beds full of) unhealthy fatties who shouldn't be there.
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Post by serpico on Dec 8, 2019 19:13:01 GMT
the losers debate on channel4, arguing with each other about who can best fuck the economy up with massive government green boondoggles, hope to god non of these people will get near power, the tories are bad enough, this lot are just loopy.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 8, 2019 19:27:09 GMT
The Labour campaign has been a bit crackers in fairness. Example: Take BT in to public ownership to give the whole country free broadband. Most people think is just unnecessary and a bit daft. Why not instead go on free dentistry if you want to appeal to the working less well off. People get that, indeed expect it with an NHS, would play out far better with the electorate. It's not so much about free broadband as broadband parity. The street outside my flat in central London was dug up last week with big signs announcing full fibre broadband. I already have awesome, reliable broadband. That work should be somewhere that has shitty connection. Obviously. It might just open up other areas of the country to start ups. Whether you think it's right or wrong it's more comparable to roads than dentistry. If seen through the lens of "free stuff" then granted, dentistry is a better sell.
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Post by Northy on Dec 8, 2019 20:08:13 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 8, 2019 20:22:57 GMT
Beds are probably full of some of the 6.5 million immigrants we've had in over the last few years thanks to Labour's Blair & Co not signing up to limited numbers, how much does the NHS pay out in PFI's to Labours Cronies thanks to Blair, that could be doing a lot of good, along with the £8 billion it's paying out (and beds full of) unhealthy fatties who shouldn't be there. Imagine, all them bloody immigrants being nursed by all them bloody immigrants, Bloody ridiculous!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 20:28:40 GMT
Beds are probably full of some of the 6.5 million immigrants we've had in over the last few years thanks to Labour's Blair & Co not signing up to limited numbers, how much does the NHS pay out in PFI's to Labours Cronies thanks to Blair, that could be doing a lot of good, along with the £8 billion it's paying out (and beds full of) unhealthy fatties who shouldn't be there. Spoiler: They're not. Immigration figures have had a negligible effect on usage of the NHS. Especially compared with the effect of defunding it to oblivion. The problem with the NHS is not to do with immigrants. www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-immigration-health-issues-birth-waiting-times-infection-children-pregnant-unhealthy-a8669441.htmlAgree re: PFI mind, Blair was a twat.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 8, 2019 20:57:49 GMT
Beds are probably full of some of the 6.5 million immigrants we've had in over the last few years thanks to Labour's Blair & Co not signing up to limited numbers, how much does the NHS pay out in PFI's to Labours Cronies thanks to Blair, that could be doing a lot of good, along with the £8 billion it's paying out (and beds full of) unhealthy fatties who shouldn't be there. Spoiler: They're not. Immigration figures have had a negligible effect on usage of the NHS. Especially compared with the effect of defunding it to oblivion. The problem with the NHS is not to do with immigrants. www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-immigration-health-issues-birth-waiting-times-infection-children-pregnant-unhealthy-a8669441.htmlAgree re: PFI mind, Blair was a twat. Off Topic here so apologies…
But, has anyone here seen the film Official Secrets? Me & the mrs went to see it the other night…… What a great film! It put quite a number of things in to perspective for me regarding Gulf War II, Britain’s involvement, Blair and other stuff on the lead up to it. Critics said “it was a bit slow”. But it had to be to let some of the stuff it deals with sink in. I highly recommend it if you’ve a couple of hours to kill and can find somewhere showing it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 21:16:46 GMT
Off Topic here so apologies… But, has anyone here seen the film Official Secrets? Me & the mrs went to see it the other night…… What a great film! It put quite a number of things in to perspective for me regarding Gulf War II, Britain’s involvement, Blair and other stuff on the lead up to it. Critics said “it was a bit slow”. But it had to be to let some of the stuff it deals with sink in. I highly recommend it if you’ve a couple of hours to kill and can find somewhere showing it. I haven't, but I assume it isn't pro-British? We've been war-mongering murderers as a nation for a hell of a long time, the controversy around GW2 isn't as surprising as it seems based on history.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 8, 2019 21:27:23 GMT
Beds are probably full of some of the 6.5 million immigrants we've had in over the last few years thanks to Labour's Blair & Co not signing up to limited numbers, how much does the NHS pay out in PFI's to Labours Cronies thanks to Blair, that could be doing a lot of good, along with the £8 billion it's paying out (and beds full of) unhealthy fatties who shouldn't be there. Spoiler: They're not. Immigration figures have had a negligible effect on usage of the NHS. Especially compared with the effect of defunding it to oblivion. The problem with the NHS is not to do with immigrants. www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-immigration-health-issues-birth-waiting-times-infection-children-pregnant-unhealthy-a8669441.htmlAgree re: PFI mind, Blair was a twat. Blair May have had his faults, but no recent PM would have held up to the pressure he had. He was a proper PM. We’ve had 3yrs of non-government. Anyone who would choose Cameron, May or Joris over Blair is a liar. He had proper problems to deal with. These cnuts have created their own, like teenagers. Do you want to be ruled by teenagers...
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Post by chad on Dec 8, 2019 22:13:00 GMT
Seriously. Do these people expect sympathy If you can’t afford kids stop breeding you thick twats
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Post by chad on Dec 8, 2019 22:15:08 GMT
Blair May have had his faults, but no recent PM would have held up to the pressure he had. He was a proper PM. We’ve had 3yrs of non-government. Anyone who would choose Cameron, May or Joris over Blair is a liar. He had proper problems to deal with. These cnuts have created their own, like teenagers. Do you want to be ruled by teenagers... Another Blair is what the Labour Party needs to become electable again. They’ll never get back in while the lefty Momentum is running things
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 8, 2019 22:20:40 GMT
Beds are probably full of some of the 6.5 million immigrants we've had in over the last few years thanks to Labour's Blair & Co not signing up to limited numbers, how much does the NHS pay out in PFI's to Labours Cronies thanks to Blair, that could be doing a lot of good, along with the £8 billion it's paying out (and beds full of) unhealthy fatties who shouldn't be there. Imagine, all them bloody immigrants being nursed by all them bloody immigrants, Bloody ridiculous! What we need are immigrants hospitals, administered by insurance claims companies and staffed by immigrants!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 22:42:42 GMT
Blair May have had his faults, but no recent PM would have held up to the pressure he had. He was a proper PM. We’ve had 3yrs of non-government. Anyone who would choose Cameron, May or Joris over Blair is a liar. He had proper problems to deal with. These cnuts have created their own, like teenagers. Do you want to be ruled by teenagers... Oh I agree, I'd have him over Cameron, May and Boris, but that is like saying I'd eat a turd sandwich over flaying my own bollocks with a cat o' 9 tails.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 22:45:06 GMT
Blair May have had his faults, but no recent PM would have held up to the pressure he had. He was a proper PM. We’ve had 3yrs of non-government. Anyone who would choose Cameron, May or Joris over Blair is a liar. He had proper problems to deal with. These cnuts have created their own, like teenagers. Do you want to be ruled by teenagers... Another Blair is what the Labour Party needs to become electable again. They’ll never get back in while the lefty Momentum is running things Ed Miliband was leader in 2015 and got torn to shreds He's about as centre-blair-boring-meh as it's possible to get. Blair is the only labour leader in 40 years who has been roundly backed by the tabloid press. It doesn't matter who is in charge of labour, they'll be slated unless they conform to what the richest in society, namely Murdoch, want(s). Add to that, neoliberal economics has been a disaster, even Brown said so, Blair's politics does not work.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 8, 2019 22:49:34 GMT
Blair benefitted from an upturn in the economy and people were sick of nearly 20 years of Tory. Even Jezza might have won that one
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Post by claytonscrubs on Dec 8, 2019 23:06:20 GMT
The problem started when Ed Miliband introduced a ‘one member, one vote’ system that elected Corbyn...a terrible error in judgment!! A moderate, halfway-competent Labour Party could have crushed the Tories, but they’re been taken over by a mob of far-left loons, and made themselves unelectable, IMO. What seems clear is that Labour have lost support in its traditional heartlands of the Midlands, North and Wales (they’ve already lost Scotland). The big problem for Labour is that once their historic heartlands start to defect to the Tories there might be no going back. Decades of tribal loyalty will be shaken up, making the idea of voting for a party other than Labour at future elections far more acceptable. Aside from allowing people a chance to confirm their desire to leave the EU, whilst at the same time allowing the mass of 18-21 year olds a chance to have their first say on the matter, what are the policies of these far left loons that you object to? Aside from backing a second referendum and betraying the votes of 17.4 million people, their policies would eventually bankrupt the country just like Corbyn’s idol, Hugo Chavez did to Venezuela. For example, by increasing taxation on the top 5%, they’ll only succeed in driving many of them abroad. The ordinary man in the street will end up suffering as the UK economy descends into the usual pseudo-Marxist syndrome of impoverishment and social mayhem. Other specific policies I object to include a hit in pensions, huge increases in inheritance tax, softer policing and jihadists returning to the UK (to name but a few!) You can assume I won’t be voting Labour on Thursday 😉
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Post by claytonscrubs on Dec 8, 2019 23:12:47 GMT
Our future Home Secretary 😂
Speechless!!! 🙄
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 9, 2019 0:28:52 GMT
Aside from allowing people a chance to confirm their desire to leave the EU, whilst at the same time allowing the mass of 18-21 year olds a chance to have their first say on the matter, what are the policies of these far left loons that you object to? Aside from backing a second referendum and betraying the votes of 17.4 million people, their policies would eventually bankrupt the country just like Corbyn’s idol, Hugo Chavez did to Venezuela. For example, by increasing taxation on the top 5%, they’ll only succeed in driving many of them abroad. The ordinary man in the street will end up suffering as the UK economy descends into the usual pseudo-Marxist syndrome of impoverishment and social mayhem. Other specific policies I object to include a hit in pensions, huge increases in inheritance tax, softer policing and jihadists returning to the UK (to name but a few!) You can assume I won’t be voting Labour on Thursday 😉 It seems like you're saying I'm OK Jack, fuck you.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Dec 9, 2019 5:28:07 GMT
Aside from backing a second referendum and betraying the votes of 17.4 million people, their policies would eventually bankrupt the country just like Corbyn’s idol, Hugo Chavez did to Venezuela. For example, by increasing taxation on the top 5%, they’ll only succeed in driving many of them abroad. The ordinary man in the street will end up suffering as the UK economy descends into the usual pseudo-Marxist syndrome of impoverishment and social mayhem. Other specific policies I object to include a hit in pensions, huge increases in inheritance tax, softer policing and jihadists returning to the UK (to name but a few!) You can assume I won’t be voting Labour on Thursday 😉 fuck you. ”I would, but your hand might get jealous”
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Post by claytonscrubs on Dec 9, 2019 5:34:03 GMT
Latest polls...
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 9, 2019 7:00:15 GMT
Regardless of the polls it does look like we will be enduring another five years of tory "government" What are people hoping for in the next five years and what in the manifesto has swung your vote?
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