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Post by Northy on Dec 9, 2019 7:08:04 GMT
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Post by Northy on Dec 9, 2019 7:10:25 GMT
Aside from backing a second referendum and betraying the votes of 17.4 million people, their policies would eventually bankrupt the country just like Corbyn’s idol, Hugo Chavez did to Venezuela. For example, by increasing taxation on the top 5%, they’ll only succeed in driving many of them abroad. The ordinary man in the street will end up suffering as the UK economy descends into the usual pseudo-Marxist syndrome of impoverishment and social mayhem. Other specific policies I object to include a hit in pensions, huge increases in inheritance tax, softer policing and jihadists returning to the UK (to name but a few!) You can assume I won’t be voting Labour on Thursday 😉 It seems like you're saying I'm OK Jack, fuck you. Have you got a spare room for the Jihadis to live in 😉
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 9, 2019 7:38:22 GMT
Another Blair is what the Labour Party needs to become electable again. They’ll never get back in while the lefty Momentum is running things Ed Miliband was leader in 2015 and got torn to shreds He's about as centre-blair-boring-meh as it's possible to get. Blair is the only labour leader in 40 years who has been roundly backed by the tabloid press. It doesn't matter who is in charge of labour, they'll be slated unless they conform to what the richest in society, namely Murdoch, want(s). Add to that, neoliberal economics has been a disaster, even Brown said so, Blair's politics does not work. When did Brown say that...
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 9, 2019 8:00:15 GMT
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Post by foster on Dec 9, 2019 8:17:07 GMT
I'm amazed by just how many people fall for the guff that the Tories spout. They have the funding and marketing team in overdrive and people just lap it up.
Let's vote to fuck up the country just because we don't like Corbyn and he's apparently an antisemite... like that actually really bothers anyone and is more important than anything else.
I guess you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Post by Northy on Dec 9, 2019 8:26:50 GMT
I'm amazed by just how many people fall for the guff that the Tories spout. They have the funding and marketing team in overdrive and people just lap it up. Let's vote to fuck up the country just because we don't like Corbyn and he's apparently an antisemite... like that actually really bothers anyone and is more important than anything else. I guess you don't bite the hand that feeds you. I'm sure the Jewish communities aren't bothered. It's not just that, it's all the IRA dealings, and don't say he was just about peace, it's calling terrorist groups and known Sharia law in the UK advocates his friends, and it's his socialist policies.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 9, 2019 8:26:54 GMT
Off Topic here so apologies… But, has anyone here seen the film Official Secrets? Me & the mrs went to see it the other night…… What a great film! It put quite a number of things in to perspective for me regarding Gulf War II, Britain’s involvement, Blair and other stuff on the lead up to it. Critics said “it was a bit slow”. But it had to be to let some of the stuff it deals with sink in. I highly recommend it if you’ve a couple of hours to kill and can find somewhere showing it. I haven't, but I assume it isn't pro-British? We've been war-mongering murderers as a nation for a hell of a long time, the controversy around GW2 isn't as surprising as it seems based on history. The film is neither pro or anti British. It is about the "intelligence" surrounding decisions that were made at the time. I don't want to give spoilers but I think you, and many of the other politically minded people on here (both left and right) would find it quite thought provoking. I certainly did.
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Dec 9, 2019 8:30:09 GMT
Roll on Thursday night/ Friday morning. I love a good election results night.
The best ever was the European referendum I think it was Sunderland who got the votes in first and the sheer shock that they'd actually voted to leave. I stayed up the rest of the night watching Leave win the referendum. I think quite a few on here joined me in the referendum thread. It was great. The rest however since then as we know is a complete shit show.
I look forward to Thursday watching the Conservatives win a majority and we can finally get the Brexit wheels in motion once again.
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Post by foster on Dec 9, 2019 8:39:38 GMT
Roll on Thursday night/ Friday morning. I love a good election results night. The best ever was the European referendum I think it was Sunderland who got the votes in first and the sheer shock that they'd actually voted to leave. I stayed up the rest of the night watching Leave win the referendum. I think quite a few on here joined me in the referendum thread. It was great. The rest however since then as we know is a complete shit show. I look forward to Thursday watching the Conservatives win a majority and we can finally get the Brexit wheels in motion once again. In any case, Brexit or no Brexit isn't going to help solve the increasing problems with public services. What do the Tories have to win by to have a majority and push Brexit through?
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Post by salopstick on Dec 9, 2019 8:42:54 GMT
Roll on Thursday night/ Friday morning. I love a good election results night. The best ever was the European referendum I think it was Sunderland who got the votes in first and the sheer shock that they'd actually voted to leave. I stayed up the rest of the night watching Leave win the referendum. I think quite a few on here joined me in the referendum thread. It was great. The rest however since then as we know is a complete shit show. I look forward to Thursday watching the Conservatives win a majority and we can finally get the Brexit wheels in motion once again. In any case, Brexit or no Brexit isn't going to help solve the increasing problems with public services. What do the Tories have to win by to have a majority and push Brexit through? Win 326 seats
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Post by foster on Dec 9, 2019 9:15:54 GMT
I'm amazed by just how many people fall for the guff that the Tories spout. They have the funding and marketing team in overdrive and people just lap it up. Let's vote to fuck up the country just because we don't like Corbyn and he's apparently an antisemite... like that actually really bothers anyone and is more important than anything else. I guess you don't bite the hand that feeds you. I'm sure the Jewish communities aren't bothered. It's not just that, it's all the IRA dealings, and don't say he was just about peace, it's calling terrorist groups and known Sharia law in the UK advocates his friends, and it's his socialist policies. Fair enough, but in any case, I'd have more respect for someone voting for any party other than the Tories. Voting for someone who's done nothing but bullshit his way through the past 3 years is a travesty. Yes, he might deliver Brexit, but at great expense of many things that actually impact peoples lives. When I see NHS professionals literally begging people not to vote Tory and the fire services backing Labour, etc, then how can people seriously want to vote against them? These are normal people who provide services to normal people, not stuck up posh twats (with private health insurance) taking you for a ride. The fact that the Tories have backing from all these billionaires should tell the average man/woman on the street all they need to know about the kind of policies they're going to (continue to) implement. All it takes is a little bit of common sense to see where they're taking the country. Anyway, I can't really get my head around people supporting them. There are just too many red flags. I'm just glad that it'll be over soon.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 9, 2019 9:26:37 GMT
I'm sure the Jewish communities aren't bothered. It's not just that, it's all the IRA dealings, and don't say he was just about peace, it's calling terrorist groups and known Sharia law in the UK advocates his friends, and it's his socialist policies. Fair enough, but in any case, I'd have more respect for someone voting for any party other than the Tories. Voting for someone who's done nothing but bullshit his way through the past 3 years is a travesty. Yes, he might deliver Brexit, but at great expense of many things that actually impact peoples lives. When I see NHS professionals literally begging people not to vote Tory and the fire services backing Labour, etc, then how can people seriously want to vote against them? These are normal people who provide services to normal people, not stuck up posh twats (with private health insurance) taking you for a ride. The fact that the Tories have backing from all these billionaires should tell the average man/woman on the street all they need to know about the kind of policies they're going to (continue to) implement. All it takes is a little bit of common sense to see where they're taking the country. Anyway, I can't really get my head around people supporting them. There are just too many red flags. I'm just glad that it'll be over soon. Maybe it’s because folk sincerely believe the alternative is so much worse. As simple as that.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 9, 2019 9:31:21 GMT
Fair enough, but in any case, I'd have more respect for someone voting for any party other than the Tories. Voting for someone who's done nothing but bullshit his way through the past 3 years is a travesty. Yes, he might deliver Brexit, but at great expense of many things that actually impact peoples lives. When I see NHS professionals literally begging people not to vote Tory and the fire services backing Labour, etc, then how can people seriously want to vote against them? These are normal people who provide services to normal people, not stuck up posh twats (with private health insurance) taking you for a ride. The fact that the Tories have backing from all these billionaires should tell the average man/woman on the street all they need to know about the kind of policies they're going to (continue to) implement. All it takes is a little bit of common sense to see where they're taking the country. Anyway, I can't really get my head around people supporting them. There are just too many red flags. I'm just glad that it'll be over soon. Maybe it’s because folk sincerely believe the alternative is so much worse. As simple as that. This
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 9, 2019 9:45:24 GMT
Roll on Thursday night/ Friday morning. I love a good election results night. The best ever was the European referendum I think it was Sunderland who got the votes in first and the sheer shock that they'd actually voted to leave. I stayed up the rest of the night watching Leave win the referendum. I think quite a few on here joined me in the referendum thread. It was great. The rest however since then as we know is a complete shit show. I look forward to Thursday watching the Conservatives win a majority and we can finally get the Brexit wheels in motion once again. It was Sunderland & Newcastle which were the first two 'important' results. The BBC was rammed full of Remainers, they we all laughing & smiling as they were oh so confidently telling us how Newcastle was this wonderful place filled with students & it would return a huge Remain majority, Sunderland was more filled with thicko racist working class types so they expected that to be much closer. As it turns out Sunderland was an absolute landslide for Leave & Newcastle scrapped home a Remain vote by the narrowest of margins. Needless to say the smiles & laughter stopped & the BBC newsroom turned into a funeral parlour as they realised that outside of their bubble they'd completely misjudged the mood of the country. It was fantastic viewing!
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Post by yeokel on Dec 9, 2019 9:52:20 GMT
I'm sure the Jewish communities aren't bothered. It's not just that, it's all the IRA dealings, and don't say he was just about peace, it's calling terrorist groups and known Sharia law in the UK advocates his friends, and it's his socialist policies. Fair enough, but in any case, I'd have more respect for someone voting for any party other than the Tories. Voting for someone who's done nothing but bullshit his way through the past 3 years is a travesty. Yes, he might deliver Brexit, but at great expense of many things that actually impact peoples lives. When I see NHS professionals literally begging people not to vote Tory and the fire services backing Labour, etc, then how can people seriously want to vote against them? These are normal people who provide services to normal people, not stuck up posh twats (with private health insurance) taking you for a ride. The fact that the Tories have backing from all these billionaires should tell the average man/woman on the street all they need to know about the kind of policies they're going to (continue to) implement. All it takes is a little bit of common sense to see where they're taking the country. Anyway, I can't really get my head around people supporting them. There are just too many red flags. I'm just glad that it'll be over soon. I wouldn’t use the fire service union as an example of “normal people”. It’s one of the most left wing, militant unions there is. On to your other point, about billionaires backing the Tories… A list of recent Tory makes for quite disturbing reading. There’s far too many dodgy sounding foreigners for comfort, in my opinion. Lubov Chernukhin Ann Rosemary Said Lakshmi and Usha Mittal Alexander Temerko And no doubt many more. I’m not against foreigners per se, but the influence they potentially have over our politics, and likely future government is a bit of a concern to me. I’ve never been a believer in some form of national or government funding for political parties, but a look at that list helps make a very strong argument for it. Party Funding
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Post by serpico on Dec 9, 2019 9:57:37 GMT
Fair enough, but in any case, I'd have more respect for someone voting for any party other than the Tories. Voting for someone who's done nothing but bullshit his way through the past 3 years is a travesty. Yes, he might deliver Brexit, but at great expense of many things that actually impact peoples lives. When I see NHS professionals literally begging people not to vote Tory and the fire services backing Labour, etc, then how can people seriously want to vote against them? These are normal people who provide services to normal people, not stuck up posh twats (with private health insurance) taking you for a ride. The fact that the Tories have backing from all these billionaires should tell the average man/woman on the street all they need to know about the kind of policies they're going to (continue to) implement. All it takes is a little bit of common sense to see where they're taking the country. Anyway, I can't really get my head around people supporting them. There are just too many red flags. I'm just glad that it'll be over soon. Maybe it’s because folk sincerely believe the alternative is so much worse. As simple as that. There are still enough people around who remember the last time we had a left leaning government hellbent on policies like nationalisation in the 70s, the state socialists will have to wait another generation before tricking people into thinking state socialism is a good idea, i actually think its a good thing that you see working class people on TV asking "where's the money coming from ?" when asked about why they won't support Corbyns labour, they understand that nothing is free and, in the long run, under state socialism they will be much worse off and many of them would be rendered totally dependent on the state. Thats the thing lefties don't understand about the working class, they don't hate the rich, it's the lefty intellectuals who hate the rich.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 9, 2019 9:57:47 GMT
Roll on Thursday night/ Friday morning. I love a good election results night. The best ever was the European referendum I think it was Sunderland who got the votes in first and the sheer shock that they'd actually voted to leave. I stayed up the rest of the night watching Leave win the referendum. I think quite a few on here joined me in the referendum thread. It was great. The rest however since then as we know is a complete shit show. I look forward to Thursday watching the Conservatives win a majority and we can finally get the Brexit wheels in motion once again. It was Sunderland & Newcastle which were the first two 'important' results. The BBC was rammed full of Remainers, they we all laughing & smiling as they were oh so confidently telling us how Newcastle was this wonderful place filled with students & it would return a huge Remain majority, Sunderland was more filled with thicko racist working class types so they expected that to be much closer. As it turns out Sunderland was an absolute landslide for Leave & Newcastle scrapped home a Remain vote by the narrowest of margins. Needless to say the smiles & laughter stopped & the BBC newsroom turned into a funeral parlour as they realised that outside of their bubble they'd completely misjudged the mood of the country. It was fantastic viewing! Just wait til the labour commentators on Thursday night are the same
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 9, 2019 10:19:20 GMT
see the chicken tories and the Brexit party were to chicken to turn up to the channel 4 debate last night "anything but Brexit"
time to get these lying chlorinated chickens out of number 10! vote tactically vote them out on Thursday!!
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 9, 2019 10:24:05 GMT
Maybe it’s because folk sincerely believe the alternative is so much worse. As simple as that. There are still enough people around who remember the last time we had a left leaning government hellbent on policies like nationalisation in the 70s, the state socialists will have to wait another generation before tricking people into thinking state socialism is a good idea, i actually think its a good thing that you see working class people on TV asking "where's the money coming from ?" when asked about why they won't support Corbyns labour, they understand that nothing is free and, in the long run, under state socialism they will be much worse off and many of them would be rendered totally dependent on the state. Thats the thing lefties don't understand about the working class, they don't hate the rich, it's the lefty intellectuals who hate the rich. I dont know anyone who hates the rich. I do see wealthy donors to right wing parties who wish to perpetuate/ advance a system of competing nation states so they can operate between the cracks in their tax policies as a big part of the problem. But my problem is with the way they think, not the money in their bank account. On your other observation, the market clearly reacts very slowly to changes. It is naturally conservative in seeking out safe profits at long term expense. It is completely inappropriate for rapid change or long term planning. A change that is needed right now. Is it perfect, no? Is it, to some extent, worth another try in the data age? Yes.
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Post by serpico on Dec 9, 2019 10:25:45 GMT
see the chicken tories and the Brexit party were to chicken to turn up to the channel 4 debate last night "anything but Brexit" time to get these lying chlorinated chickens out of number 10! vote tactically vote them out on Thursday!! i don't think they were running scared as much as understanding that Channel4 is blatantly biased, Farage went on the Neill show so i hardly think he's running scared of cathy newman. also excluding brexit as a topic is silly because brexit is linked to so many other issues.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 9, 2019 10:37:31 GMT
see the chicken tories and the Brexit party were to chicken to turn up to the channel 4 debate last night "anything but Brexit" time to get these lying chlorinated chickens out of number 10! vote tactically vote them out on Thursday!! i don't think they were running scared as much as understanding that Channel4 is blatantly biased, Farage went on the Neill show so i hardly think he's running scared of cathy newman. also excluding brexit as a topic is silly because brexit is linked to so many other issues. If Labour didnt do interviews on biased media you'd never see them.
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Post by Northy on Dec 9, 2019 10:38:22 GMT
I'm sure the Jewish communities aren't bothered. It's not just that, it's all the IRA dealings, and don't say he was just about peace, it's calling terrorist groups and known Sharia law in the UK advocates his friends, and it's his socialist policies. Fair enough, but in any case, I'd have more respect for someone voting for any party other than the Tories. Voting for someone who's done nothing but bullshit his way through the past 3 years is a travesty. Yes, he might deliver Brexit, but at great expense of many things that actually impact peoples lives. When I see NHS professionals literally begging people not to vote Tory and the fire services backing Labour, etc, then how can people seriously want to vote against them? These are normal people who provide services to normal people, not stuck up posh twats (with private health insurance) taking you for a ride. The fact that the Tories have backing from all these billionaires should tell the average man/woman on the street all they need to know about the kind of policies they're going to (continue to) implement. All it takes is a little bit of common sense to see where they're taking the country. Anyway, I can't really get my head around people supporting them. There are just too many red flags. I'm just glad that it'll be over soon. 3 years or 3 months ? Labour has backing from multi millionaires, it's just not a Tory trait. I can't wait for it to end, Ive only 4 candidates and nothing to inspire me to vote for them, it's a case of voting for the least worse option or writing 'cockwombles' on the ballot paper
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Post by yeokel on Dec 9, 2019 10:40:13 GMT
see the chicken tories and the Brexit party were to chicken to turn up to the channel 4 debate last night "anything but Brexit" time to get these lying chlorinated chickens out of number 10! vote tactically vote them out on Thursday!! i don't think they were running scared as much as understanding that Channel4 is blatantly biased, Farage went on the Neill show so i hardly think he's running scared of cathy newman. also excluding brexit as a topic is silly because brexit is linked to so many other issues. It's almost as if they were trying to provoke them in to not turning up with the title of the programme. Anybody who is anybody has 'suffered' from a Boris no-show. Ch4 didn't want to miss out.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 9, 2019 11:07:14 GMT
see the chicken tories and the Brexit party were to chicken to turn up to the channel 4 debate last night "anything but Brexit" time to get these lying chlorinated chickens out of number 10! vote tactically vote them out on Thursday!! Blimey you ARE getting desperate now arent you !?
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 9, 2019 11:09:38 GMT
Fair enough, but in any case, I'd have more respect for someone voting for any party other than the Tories. Voting for someone who's done nothing but bullshit his way through the past 3 years is a travesty. Yes, he might deliver Brexit, but at great expense of many things that actually impact peoples lives. When I see NHS professionals literally begging people not to vote Tory and the fire services backing Labour, etc, then how can people seriously want to vote against them? These are normal people who provide services to normal people, not stuck up posh twats (with private health insurance) taking you for a ride. The fact that the Tories have backing from all these billionaires should tell the average man/woman on the street all they need to know about the kind of policies they're going to (continue to) implement. All it takes is a little bit of common sense to see where they're taking the country. Anyway, I can't really get my head around people supporting them. There are just too many red flags. I'm just glad that it'll be over soon. 3 years or 3 months ? Labour has backing from multi millionaires, it's just not a Tory trait. I can't wait for it to end, Ive only 4 candidates and nothing to inspire me to vote for them, it's a case of voting for the least worse option or writing 'cockwombles' on the ballot paper Go on...…. I dare ya !
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 9, 2019 11:16:12 GMT
”I would, but your hand might get jealous” Deliberately misrepresenting someone's comments is pretty much the same as lying.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 9, 2019 11:30:42 GMT
When Labour lose the election it will be down to Corbyn.
If Labour had a leader that was just pushing a socialist agenda I still think they’d struggle to win the election, but when you add in the IRA and anti-semite baggage that follows Corbyn around then it’s clear that he’s just not electable.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 9, 2019 11:35:36 GMT
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Post by Northy on Dec 9, 2019 11:51:52 GMT
3 years or 3 months ? Labour has backing from multi millionaires, it's just not a Tory trait. I can't wait for it to end, Ive only 4 candidates and nothing to inspire me to vote for them, it's a case of voting for the least worse option or writing 'cockwombles' on the ballot paper Go on...…. I dare ya ! I spoiled one previously, did not put not a swear word, just put 'useless gits' on it Although I'd like to do something else with 'cock' to Esther Mcvey
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 9, 2019 11:59:44 GMT
Regardless of the polls it does look like we will be enduring another five years of tory "government" What are people hoping for in the next five years and what in the manifesto has swung your vote? No-one?
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