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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 7, 2019 21:39:03 GMT
The problem started when Ed Miliband introduced a ‘one member, one vote’ system that elected Corbyn...a terrible error in judgment!! A moderate, halfway-competent Labour Party could have crushed the Tories, but they’re been taken over by a mob of far-left loons, and made themselves unelectable, IMO. What seems clear is that Labour have lost support in its traditional heartlands of the Midlands, North and Wales (they’ve already lost Scotland). The big problem for Labour is that once their historic heartlands start to defect to the Tories there might be no going back. Decades of tribal loyalty will be shaken up, making the idea of voting for a party other than Labour at future elections far more acceptable. I have never voted Tory in my life, my family have all come from hardworking backgrounds all dyed in the wool Labour voters, I vote in every election and up until the last one have always voted labour when I voted for UKIP, my mother would turn in her grave if I vote Tory that said I would never vote for a Corbinsky lead Labour Party. The Tories will romp home in my constituency anyway so I am seriously considering not voting for the first time ever, this is what these left wing nutters have driven me to, I wonder how many others feel the same as I do. I used to be an active member of the Labour party ( in the 80's) and fairly left wing at that. Perhaps I've changed, I don't know, but I just don't feel any connection to the current party. It's not just Corbyn, I see no attraction in any of the MPs whether they are on the left or right of the party. Post BREXIT was a chance to see a complete reform in our system which i believe is what is needed. A new vision. The current Labour party stance is summed up for me as " we hate the Tories, throw more money at everything" If they don't do well in this election I can't see a way back for them. They may only be a minority party and have little chance of making an impact but the Brexit party's contract is more structurally reforming. ... Move from first past the post to proportional representation/ abolition of the House of Lords..... what's more if he had power Farage would deliver.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 7, 2019 21:42:32 GMT
The naughty Marxist
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 7, 2019 22:53:09 GMT
Hey that was my second answer my first was a variation on do you, you should know but I didn't put that as you can be a bit of a sensitive cu soul
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 7, 2019 22:56:54 GMT
Boris Johnson condemned in brutal direct attack by London Bridge victim's father: 'He’s the worst of us and he’s taking you for a ride' linkSo he uses his own son to make a political point about not using his son to make a political point ok then, why is his view any more valid than mine or yours (ok no need to answer why its more valid than yours )
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 7, 2019 23:56:16 GMT
Hey that was my second answer my first was a variation on do you, you should know but I didn't put that as you can be a bit of a sensitive cu soul 🍺🍻🥂🍸🥃🤪
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Post by M on Dec 8, 2019 1:50:16 GMT
😢🤞
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 8:28:29 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 8, 2019 8:35:29 GMT
Vote Labour
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Post by foster on Dec 8, 2019 8:40:53 GMT
There has to be a change. The country is going to the dogs under the Tories.
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 8, 2019 8:55:31 GMT
I have never voted Tory in my life, my family have all come from hardworking backgrounds all dyed in the wool Labour voters, I vote in every election and up until the last one have always voted labour when I voted for UKIP, my mother would turn in her grave if I vote Tory that said I would never vote for a Corbinsky lead Labour Party. The Tories will romp home in my constituency anyway so I am seriously considering not voting for the first time ever, this is what these left wing nutters have driven me to, I wonder how many others feel the same as I do. I used to be an active member of the Labour party ( in the 80's) and fairly left wing at that. Perhaps I've changed, I don't know, but I just don't feel any connection to the current party. It's not just Corbyn, I see no attraction in any of the MPs whether they are on the left or right of the party. Post BREXIT was a chance to see a complete reform in our system which i believe is what is needed. A new vision. The current Labour party stance is summed up for me as " we hate the Tories, throw more money at everything" If they don't do well in this election I can't see a way back for them. They may only be a minority party and have little chance of making an impact but the Brexit party's contract is more structurally reforming. ... Move from first past the post to proportional representation/ abolition of the House of Lords..... what's more if he had power Farage would deliver. Massive portions of the electorate are not represented in this election. I don't feel as though there is any party I can vote for. I'd vote SDP if they had a candidate in Congleton but, ultimately, what would be the point? I predict huge numbers of spoiled ballots this time around.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 8, 2019 9:03:39 GMT
I’m looking forward to this election being over - it’s all rather tedious.
4 weeks of “Get Brexit Done” and “NHS for sale” hasn’t moved the conversation forward.
I doubt anyone’s views have changed a jot since the election was called.
Roll on Friday 13th.
A day closer to the 14th - a special day.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 8, 2019 9:12:02 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 8, 2019 9:30:28 GMT
. Roll on Friday 13th. A day closer to the 14th - a special day. Are we going to beat Reading?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 8, 2019 9:32:01 GMT
Does that mean she's lying mate? Maybe she became an activist after seeing the Tory destruction first hand?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 8, 2019 9:33:29 GMT
. Roll on Friday 13th. A day closer to the 14th - a special day. Are we going to beat Reading? I hope so... But that isn’t what I’m thinking about.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Dec 8, 2019 9:45:28 GMT
When the Tory /Ukip vote comes in at around 45% I'm looking forward to all those who said 84% voted for Brexit in 2017 now saying that, as a majority of 55% have voted against Brexit happening by 31st January, we should delay leaving and reconsider how we leave....
Jon
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 8, 2019 9:53:01 GMT
Are we going to beat Reading? I hope so... But that isn’t what I’m thinking about. Ooh, this is exciting. Is it your birthday 🍰
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 8, 2019 10:13:13 GMT
I hope so... But that isn’t what I’m thinking about. Ooh, this is exciting. Is it your birthday 🍰 Yes isn’t it. But no, that delight is some way away.
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 8, 2019 10:27:52 GMT
I used to be an active member of the Labour party ( in the 80's) and fairly left wing at that. Perhaps I've changed, I don't know, but I just don't feel any connection to the current party. It's not just Corbyn, I see no attraction in any of the MPs whether they are on the left or right of the party. Post BREXIT was a chance to see a complete reform in our system which i believe is what is needed. A new vision. The current Labour party stance is summed up for me as " we hate the Tories, throw more money at everything" If they don't do well in this election I can't see a way back for them. They may only be a minority party and have little chance of making an impact but the Brexit party's contract is more structurally reforming. ... Move from first past the post to proportional representation/ abolition of the House of Lords..... what's more if he had power Farage would deliver. Massive portions of the electorate are not represented in this election. I don't feel as though there is any party I can vote for. I'd vote SDP if they had a candidate in Congleton but, ultimately, what would be the point? I predict huge numbers of spoiled ballots this time around. I think its time to hold your nose and vote tactically for the party that keeps the tories out of government! Whoever that may be! under the tories we have seen a rise in violent crime a rise in homelessness a rise in waiting lists and a and e times a cut to police numbers a cut to border forces meaning illegal immigrants can get in easily we have also seen a cut to prison services making the unsafe and prisoners not being rehabilitated and let out early sometimes to commit further crimes, we have seen the slow sell off of national assets and the privatisation of the nhs ! this election is about more than Brexit its about the continuation of the rich running the country for 5 more years! they have done so much damage in 9 years think how bad it will be in another 5 ! you have an option even brexiteers if you are so concerned about this vote it out in the referendum !! the country the nhs and our country do not deserve 5 more years of cuts sell offs and the rich getting rich and the poor getting poorer! hold your nose and vote for whichever party keeps the tories out in your area! GET THE TORIES OUT!!
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 8, 2019 10:35:54 GMT
Yes, nearly into the last few days and it's all over.
Interesting to see the increasing desperation to try and influence others with party strap lines and text on posts on here.... almost like acting under orders or some form of control.
Whatever your view, I think most people's minds are set and have been for some time.
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Post by serpico on Dec 8, 2019 10:37:00 GMT
McDonnell has just essentially proposed price controls if Labours corporation tax causes price rises.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 8, 2019 10:38:23 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 11:17:15 GMT
When are Labour rolling out their big gun celebs. Eddie Lizzard in his pink beret should sway any floating voters
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 8, 2019 11:24:55 GMT
Massive portions of the electorate are not represented in this election. I don't feel as though there is any party I can vote for. I'd vote SDP if they had a candidate in Congleton but, ultimately, what would be the point? I predict huge numbers of spoiled ballots this time around. I think its time to hold your nose and vote tactically for the party that keeps the tories out of government! Whoever that may be! under the tories we have seen a rise in violent crime a rise in homelessness a rise in waiting lists and a and e times a cut to police numbers a cut to border forces meaning illegal immigrants can get in easily we have also seen a cut to prison services making the unsafe and prisoners not being rehabilitated and let out early sometimes to commit further crimes, we have seen the slow sell off of national assets and the privatisation of the nhs ! this election is about more than Brexit its about the continuation of the rich running the country for 5 more years! they have done so much damage in 9 years think how bad it will be in another 5 ! you have an option even brexiteers if you are so concerned about this vote it out in the referendum !! the country the nhs and our country do not deserve 5 more years of cuts sell offs and the rich getting rich and the poor getting poorer! hold your nose and vote for whichever party keeps the tories out in your area! GET THE TORIES OUT!! If I were to vote for anyone it'd be the Conservatives this time. And it would involve no more nose holding than would voting Labour or lib dem.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 8, 2019 11:47:46 GMT
Massive portions of the electorate are not represented in this election. I don't feel as though there is any party I can vote for. I'd vote SDP if they had a candidate in Congleton but, ultimately, what would be the point? I predict huge numbers of spoiled ballots this time around. I think its time to hold your nose and vote tactically for the party that keeps the tories out of government! Whoever that may be! under the tories we have seen a rise in violent crime a rise in homelessness a rise in waiting lists and a and e times a cut to police numbers a cut to border forces meaning illegal immigrants can get in easily we have also seen a cut to prison services making the unsafe and prisoners not being rehabilitated and let out early sometimes to commit further crimes, we have seen the slow sell off of national assets and the privatisation of the nhs ! this election is about more than Brexit its about the continuation of the rich running the country for 5 more years! they have done so much damage in 9 years think how bad it will be in another 5 ! you have an option even brexiteers if you are so concerned about this vote it out in the referendum !! the country the nhs and our country do not deserve 5 more years of cuts sell offs and the rich getting rich and the poor getting poorer! hold your nose and vote for whichever party keeps the tories out in your area! GET THE TORIES OUT!! Many people on the EE board and otherwise don't particularly support Johnson but if the choice is between him and Corbyn/ Labour, they reluctantly favour Johnson. No matter how many times you say it or what evidence you post I don't think it has much effect. One major issue that they are wrong on is BREXIT and that does matter to people, even uninformed northern working class people, some of whom are old. Other than throwing money at everything ( and any party presumably could do that) and trying to re - invent the seasonal " the NHS is under threat' they don't seem to me to be offering any structural difference....A clean BREXIT for instance would take the country in a different direction....as would electoral reform ( I've not checked is H of L reform still in the manifesto.?...if it is they certainly have not promoted it....I don't think that they would actually do it).....mind, turkeys don't vote for Xmas is apt
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 8, 2019 12:21:11 GMT
Rumours Laura Pidcock is in big danger of losing her seat PLIBT lol
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 8, 2019 12:27:32 GMT
And that is labours problem. You lose the trust of the voters over Brexit, you take the support for granted. how are they to supposed to believe the rest of the manifesto. They don’t realise it now and somehow I don’t think they will realise it on Dec 13th The champagne socialists don’t elect a labour government they need the labour heartlands. S Wales May indeed go the same route in Scotland. They don’t have a great record in the welsh parliment. Labour could be in the doldrums for a very long time. I think the problem started with so many out of touch privileged labour candidates , with backgrounds in labour politics only that have never really resonated with the labour support The problem started when Ed Miliband introduced a ‘one member, one vote’ system that elected Corbyn...a terrible error in judgment!! A moderate, halfway-competent Labour Party could have crushed the Tories, but they’re been taken over by a mob of far-left loons, and made themselves unelectable, IMO. What seems clear is that Labour have lost support in its traditional heartlands of the Midlands, North and Wales (they’ve already lost Scotland). The big problem for Labour is that once their historic heartlands start to defect to the Tories there might be no going back. Decades of tribal loyalty will be shaken up, making the idea of voting for a party other than Labour at future elections far more acceptable. Aside from allowing people a chance to confirm their desire to leave the EU, whilst at the same time allowing the mass of 18-21 year olds a chance to have their first say on the matter, what are the policies of these far left loons that you object to?
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 8, 2019 12:33:46 GMT
Does that mean she's lying mate? Maybe she became an activist after seeing the Tory destruction first hand? Most probably yes just like Jezza's small business owner who has always voted conservative but just happens to be the dad of racist soon to be sacked activist teacher who is a big fan of Chris Williamson.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 8, 2019 12:44:01 GMT
Rumours Laura Pidcock is in big danger of losing her seat PLIBT lol She'd probably still laugh. Fucking weirdo.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 8, 2019 12:55:13 GMT
Rumours Laura Pidcock is in big danger of losing her seat PLIBT lol She'd probably still laugh. Fucking weirdo. She has been tipped as a future party leader, though she has said she is more interested in grass-roots politics. Grass roots it is then
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