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Post by serpico on Dec 6, 2019 13:14:54 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 6, 2019 13:17:21 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 6, 2019 13:18:59 GMT
Over here as in Holland.No thanks.I will go to India when I emigrate.(truth actually) I dont normally vote as I dont really consider myself a true capitalist and I dont like capitalist values.But this time its different. I find it strange how you get a kick out of peoples genuine worries about the direction our country is going, and you just find it funny.No surprise really, another trait box ticked. Do you think it might just be possible that people with different political opinions to your own also have genuine worries about the direction Labour would take this country? Do you really believe that people who have different opinions to your own are just evil, that they are not real people with real concerns? With regards to emigrating to India, how much do you need and how soon can you go? I will organise a whip round. I can afford to go whenever I want to sweetie dont worry about me.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 6, 2019 13:20:27 GMT
Gosh, nearly a week still to go. I think some heads are going to fall off on here the way things are going. Its BRILLIANT isnt it !!!!!! View AttachmentWhatever the outcome, there are going to be some seriously pissed off people. Maybe we should book a mediation and counselling service in preparation.
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Post by serpico on Dec 6, 2019 13:21:51 GMT
Proving that Johnson was right not to go on channel4, its a haven of race baiters. He should have done the neil show though.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 6, 2019 13:24:32 GMT
Its over-dramatising from essex AGAIN...and to answer your question "am I proud of that"...? The NHS sell off issue gets wheeled out EVERY election yet its still there...funny that heh ! Selling off public services creates competition - crack on with your free broadband, nationalisation of utilities and see what happens.....so yeah I am Its just fun watching yourself, essex and momo reacting to peoples posts I will re-iterate AGAIN that ALL politicians are in it for themselves and by voting for your chosen party will be endorsing this corruption you speak of. You should come and live over here - its a great place to live ! Over here as in Holland.No thanks.I will go to India when I emigrate.(truth actually) I dont normally vote as I dont really consider myself a true capitalist and I dont like capitalist values.But this time its different. I find it strange how you get a kick out of peoples genuine worries about the direction our country is going, and you just find it funny.No surprise really, another trait box ticked. India.....? A beautiful country....a bit jealous if Im honest I'll be open with you in saying I am a capitalist bastard.... the thing that resonated with me years ago was Norman Tebbitt telling the country to 'get off their arse, get on a bike and go and look for work' or words to that effect. Ive lived here for over 20 years and worked fuckin hard for what I have now.....you get NO hand outs over here in NL believe me. Unless youre a muslim transgender refugee with 5 kids then you can fill your boots..... a bit like the UK I reckon I see people moaning on here, wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth over the slightest titbit or snippet and think to myself: "do something then and stop whining If I can do it then ANYONE can.....I went to Alsager Comp and left with absolutely FUCK ALL qualifications. Before I took the plunge I looked around at what I had and saw even back then that the UK was on its fuckin knees. I had the balls to go for it Thats why I laugh my sack off because people expect a Utopia state when in reality whichever party gets it wont change one iota believe me.
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Post by Davef on Dec 6, 2019 13:29:53 GMT
Who the hell says "People of talent"?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 13:30:00 GMT
Its over-dramatising from essex AGAIN...and to answer your question "am I proud of that"...? The NHS sell off issue gets wheeled out EVERY election yet its still there...funny that heh ! Selling off public services creates competition - crack on with your free broadband, nationalisation of utilities and see what happens.....so yeah I am Its just fun watching yourself, essex and momo reacting to peoples posts I will re-iterate AGAIN that ALL politicians are in it for themselves and by voting for your chosen party will be endorsing this corruption you speak of. You should come and live over here - its a great place to live ! Over here as in Holland.No thanks.I will go to India when I emigrate.(truth actually) I dont normally vote as I dont really consider myself a true capitalist and I dont like capitalist values.But this time its different. I find it strange how you get a kick out of peoples genuine worries about the direction our country is going, and you just find it funny.No surprise really, another trait box ticked. I did post the below earlier and genuinely interested how yourself and fellow Labourites see how the next year pans out, with the Corbyn led Sturgeon/Swinson coalition. Can it possibly co-exist and get Britain moving again when they all hate each other and have such widely contrasting ideas. "Yeah but in all honesty it's will only be a Labour government in name only. It will have to be propped up by Sturgeon, Swinson, the Greens, the welsh and the Irish. So all Labours ideas for change will never pass through parliament as the above all have there own agendas and will block everything Labour try to put through in an attempt to get there own shit agendas seen too. All this will obviously lead to even more paralysis in parliament than the last year or so, which will result yet again in fook all getting done as each of the coalition selfishly puts there own self interests first. For me it will be a complete stalemate with another year down the shitter with a government with not enough numbers to pass through any new bills and will more than likely lead to another election in a years time. Sturgeon and Swinson have said on many occasions they can't stand Corbyn, so out of curiousity how do you see this possible shit show playing out with the "dream team" of Corbyn, Sturgeon and Swinson?? "
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2019 13:31:59 GMT
Yes and that is the point of the article in the spectator by a woman with a child who has learning difficulties the candidate quoted. If she said pay minimum wage and the government gives some sort of tax credit / reduction that would be ok with you I assume, her aim is to increase the number of people with learning difficulties in employment because employers unless they have family with the same condition will just take the easy option of not employing someone with a LD at all. That's not what she said though. What she said perpetuates the argument that they're worth less to society than other people. 94% unemployment now either everyone hates people with LD or you know cost and the extra supervision / care that might be needed might just be playing a part in that figure. The idea that her suggestion is about anything other that helping people into work is a sign of how poorly we think of other human beings.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2019 13:35:25 GMT
Who the hell says "People of talent"? Not stoke fans obviously but Boris does quite regularly it seems
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Post by serpico on Dec 6, 2019 13:40:54 GMT
Who the hell says "People of talent"? Thats besides the point really. I don't see whats wrong with the term, he's talking about allowing in people who are talented and will contribute something, how else do you want him to say it ? he could have said "talented people" but it still means the same thing.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 6, 2019 13:47:47 GMT
Who the hell says "People of talent"? Racists, appropriating a phrase of racial identity...
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 6, 2019 13:50:26 GMT
Over here as in Holland.No thanks.I will go to India when I emigrate.(truth actually) I dont normally vote as I dont really consider myself a true capitalist and I dont like capitalist values.But this time its different. I find it strange how you get a kick out of peoples genuine worries about the direction our country is going, and you just find it funny.No surprise really, another trait box ticked. I did post the below earlier and genuinely interested how yourself and fellow Labourites see how the next year pans out, with the Corbyn led Sturgeon/Swinson coalition. Can it possibly co-exist and get Britain moving again when they all hate each other and have such widely contrasting ideas. "Yeah but in all honesty it's will only be a Labour government in name only. It will have to be propped up by Sturgeon, Swinson, the Greens, the welsh and the Irish. So all Labours ideas for change will never pass through parliament as the above all have there own agendas and will block everything Labour try to put through in an attempt to get there own shit agendas seen too. All this will obviously lead to even more paralysis in parliament than the last year or so, which will result yet again in fook all getting done as each of the coalition selfishly puts there own self interests first. For me it will be a complete stalemate with another year down the shitter with a government with not enough numbers to pass through any new bills and will more than likely lead to another election in a years time. Sturgeon and Swinson have said on many occasions they can't stand Corbyn, so out of curiousity how do you see this possible shit show playing out with the "dream team" of Corbyn, Sturgeon and Swinson?? " Thats that then let things just get worse and accept it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2019 13:56:07 GMT
What a clusterfuck this whole Neil thing has become for the Tories. People can barely remember Corbyn's shellacking, now this will be raised every single day until Thursday. As ever when under the slightest scrutiny, Johnson comes out of it like a spoiled privileged prick. The mask completely slipped and gone.
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Post by serpico on Dec 6, 2019 14:13:41 GMT
What a clusterfuck this whole Neil thing has become for the Tories. People can barely remember Corbyn's shellacking, now this will be raised every single day until Thursday. As ever when under the slightest scrutiny, Johnson comes out of it like a spoiled privileged prick. The mask completely slipped and gone. Cant see it doing him any serious harm though, in fact it might benefit him to have people focus on this, its not that important to most people, only to the people who wish to see Johnsons squirm, such as yourself, is it a big deal
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Post by Northy on Dec 6, 2019 14:17:51 GMT
Bedroom tax - isn't really a tax is it, it's a reduction in benefits to help free up homes that are too big for some people and young families that need them, to try to start to solve the social housing crisis which Labour messed up after only building 7200 of them in 13 years. It was also the same policy that Labour had on privately rented homes which they called the Local Housing allowance This a very grey area. Labour built fewer council houses but far more housing association homes. Regarding the bedroom tax it is a tax in all but name. And you agree with the rest I take it. It's not a tax at all, it's a reduction in benefits. Some of the other points are relevant, but what can you do when you take over with a record debt and a deep recession, ... give out free stuff and save the repayments for the next generation
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Post by Northy on Dec 6, 2019 14:34:22 GMT
Who the hell says "People of talent"? Somebody who's talking about controlled immigration
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 6, 2019 15:01:00 GMT
This a very grey area. Labour built fewer council houses but far more housing association homes. Regarding the bedroom tax it is a tax in all but name. And you agree with the rest I take it. It's not a tax at all, it's a reduction in benefits. Some of the other points are relevant, but what can you do when you take over with a record debt and a deep recession, ... give out free stuff and save the repayments for the next generation You dont hit the poor like they have.You hit those who can afford it in a normal society anyway.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2019 15:06:59 GMT
Virtue signalling bollocks for an hour on Question Time again. When are people going to debate the issues rather than just saying what might get them a round of applause?
A woman in the audience said that a radical Muslim could use the Quran to justify lying to authorities about being deradicalised. Straight away Ed Davey and Fiona Bruce jumped on her and said millions of Muslims are peaceful. We know that, you pillocks, she is on about people who aren't!
Anyway, much applause greeted Davey.
I fucking despair. It's Facebook politics; like me, like me, I'm nice.
I will vote for the least virtue signalling party or not at all. Labour and the Liberal Democrats are fucking snided with virtue signallers, and I cringe at most of the shite that they spout.
The Tories piss me off over public services, so I am crying out for somebody fucking normal and honest, who doesn't promise the world and doesn't want to claim the moral high ground all the time, but recognises that all is far from well at the moment.
I am really struggling to find such a party.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 6, 2019 15:40:06 GMT
Over here as in Holland.No thanks.I will go to India when I emigrate.(truth actually) I dont normally vote as I dont really consider myself a true capitalist and I dont like capitalist values.But this time its different. I find it strange how you get a kick out of peoples genuine worries about the direction our country is going, and you just find it funny.No surprise really, another trait box ticked. India.....? A beautiful country....a bit jealous if Im honest I'll be open with you in saying I am a capitalist bastard.... the thing that resonated with me years ago was Norman Tebbitt telling the country to 'get off their arse, get on a bike and go and look for work' or words to that effect. Ive lived here for over 20 years and worked fuckin hard for what I have now.....you get NO hand outs over here in NL believe me. Unless youre a muslim transgender refugee with 5 kids then you can fill your boots..... a bit like the UK I reckon I see people moaning on here, wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth over the slightest titbit or snippet and think to myself: "do something then and stop whining If I can do it then ANYONE can.....I went to Alsager Comp and left with absolutely FUCK ALL qualifications. Before I took the plunge I looked around at what I had and saw even back then that the UK was on its fuckin knees. I had the balls to go for it Thats why I laugh my sack off because people expect a Utopia state when in reality whichever party gets it wont change one iota believe me. My partner owned a pub in Alsager .I know quite a lot of people from there too.One of my sons plays pool for a team there.We have been to India a few times and I love the place.Its anarchic and gentle plus its like living with the Flinstones. Unless youre a muslim transgender refugee with 5 kids then you can fill your boots..... a bit like the UK I reckon = Naughty.In the UK its the same for everyone.I go to a festival in Holland called Lowlands,been four times anyway..
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Post by Northy on Dec 6, 2019 16:44:05 GMT
Virtue signalling bollocks for an hour on Question Time again. When are people going to debate the issues rather than just saying what might get them a round of applause? A woman in the audience said that a radical Muslim could use the Quran to justify lying to authorities about being deradicalised. Straight away Ed Davey and Fiona Bruce jumped on her and said millions of Muslims are peaceful. We know that, you pillocks, she is on about people who aren't! Anyway, much applause greeted Davey. I fucking despair. It's Facebook politics; like me, like me, I'm nice. I will vote for the least virtue signalling party or not at all. Labour and the Liberal Democrats are fucking snided with virtue signallers, and I cringe at most of the shite that they spout. The Tories piss me off over public services, so I am crying out for somebody fucking normal and honest, who doesn't promise the world and doesn't want to claim the moral high ground all the time, but recognises that all is far from well at the moment. I am really struggling to find such a party. Same here, I can't vote for anybody at the moment, I only have 4 candidates to vote for, cons, lab, unlibs and the notsogreens,
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Post by Northy on Dec 6, 2019 16:46:10 GMT
What a clusterfuck this whole Neil thing has become for the Tories. People can barely remember Corbyn's shellacking, now this will be raised every single day until Thursday. As ever when under the slightest scrutiny, Johnson comes out of it like a spoiled privileged prick. The mask completely slipped and gone. I haven't seen any of them, I'm not that bothered as they all talk shit and avoid the questions the best they can
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 6, 2019 16:56:31 GMT
Virtue signalling bollocks for an hour on Question Time again. When are people going to debate the issues rather than just saying what might get them a round of applause? A woman in the audience said that a radical Muslim could use the Quran to justify lying to authorities about being deradicalised. Straight away Ed Davey and Fiona Bruce jumped on her and said millions of Muslims are peaceful. We know that, you pillocks, she is on about people who aren't! Anyway, much applause greeted Davey. I fucking despair. It's Facebook politics; like me, like me, I'm nice. I will vote for the least virtue signalling party or not at all. Labour and the Liberal Democrats are fucking snided with virtue signallers, and I cringe at most of the shite that they spout. The Tories piss me off over public services, so I am crying out for somebody fucking normal and honest, who doesn't promise the world and doesn't want to claim the moral high ground all the time, but recognises that all is far from well at the moment. I am really struggling to find such a party. Same here Tricky Vote Tory and we'll have more cuts in public services and income inequality will grow. Vote Labour and we'll end up paying higher taxes and have higher interest rates Vote LibDem and you've wasted your vote. It's an absolute shit-show. To be honest, I probably won't even bother voting
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 6, 2019 17:19:41 GMT
Yeah Ch4 are going to give Boris a break jesus wept, I watched the clip he says talent as he has many times before whats interesting is all these left wingers like zarb balls said nothing on a 12000 page report going in on racism in Labour but within 25 minutes can fire off a string of tweets about fake boris racism. With respect this us because the media have covered racism in the Labour Party as though there is no other racism in any party or in society. Social media is where the left compensate for the bias in the narrative of the press and media in this country. It still never got the coverage "stupid people" got. If leveson 2 had happened and there was a law that only tax residents of this country could own media then youd find people on the left could find better things to do with their time.
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Post by M on Dec 6, 2019 17:35:30 GMT
What a clusterfuck this whole Neil thing has become for the Tories. People can barely remember Corbyn's shellacking, now this will be raised every single day until Thursday. As ever when under the slightest scrutiny, Johnson comes out of it like a spoiled privileged prick. The mask completely slipped and gone. I haven't seen any of them, I'm not that bothered as they all talk shit and avoid the questions the best they can 😂
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Post by M on Dec 6, 2019 21:32:17 GMT
The big debate...
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 6, 2019 21:36:33 GMT
The leaders debate was interesting. I thought Jezza might go for it and Boris play it safe, but it seemed like the opposite!! A safe no score draw nonetheless for both it seems.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 6, 2019 21:39:20 GMT
The leaders debate was interesting. I thought Jezza might go for it and Boris play it safe, but it seemed like the opposite!! A safe no score draw nonetheless for both it seems. Yeah most have decided now I would imagine. They're so different that it will take something mammoth to change people's minds at this stage. It's a good thing that we have two such different brands of politics to choose from. Hasn't always been like that in the past. A conservative majority would be a huge rejection of socialism.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 6, 2019 21:40:29 GMT
The big debate... It's boring and repetitive but it's absolutely true, unicorns or reality is the choice.
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Post by Davef on Dec 6, 2019 21:40:56 GMT
One of Pie's best rants yet.
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