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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 6, 2019 21:42:24 GMT
The big debate... It's boring and repetitive but it's absolutely true, unicorns or reality is the choice. Go unicorns. Nothing to lose.
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Post by serpico on Dec 6, 2019 21:44:17 GMT
The leaders debate was interesting. I thought Jezza might go for it and Boris play it safe, but it seemed like the opposite!! A safe no score draw nonetheless for both it seems. Which suits Boris.
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Post by M on Dec 6, 2019 21:44:19 GMT
The big debate... It's boring and repetitive but it's absolutely true, unicorns or reality is the choice. I agree with your summary but I suspect not for the same reasons
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Post by serpico on Dec 6, 2019 21:50:02 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2019 21:55:07 GMT
A much better format than the ITV one and pretty much a draw as has been said. I think where Corbyn makes ground is that against Johnson he looks like an adult in the room and Johnson is so absurd he can make look Corbyn look Prime Ministerial. We certainly live in strange times though, I honestly think Johnson shaded the NHS debate somehow and Corbyn cunted him on Law and Order.
What's going on?
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Post by algor on Dec 6, 2019 22:02:00 GMT
It's boring and repetitive but it's absolutely true, unicorns or reality is the choice. Go unicorns. Nothing to lose. Just the democratic result voted for by 17,410,742 people and the economy, but other than that yeah go unicorns WHOOOOOH! Oh Jeremy Corbyn, Oh Jeremy Corbyn!
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2019 22:02:08 GMT
The big debate... Harsh to suggest doing this to corbyn at his age
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2019 22:04:58 GMT
You could see why Johnson avoids scrutiny though, when robbed of his soundbite crutch, all that is left is a slippery cunt who is obviously untrustworthy.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 6, 2019 22:05:09 GMT
It's boring and repetitive but it's absolutely true, unicorns or reality is the choice. Go unicorns. Nothing to lose. Apart from your job, your house, your pension unicorns are as mythical as a prosperous Marxist country.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 6, 2019 22:09:46 GMT
A much better format than the ITV one and pretty much a draw as has been said. I think where Corbyn makes ground is that against Johnson he looks like an adult in the room and Johnson is so absurd he can make look Corbyn look Prime Ministerial. We certainly live in strange times though, I honestly think Johnson shaded the NHS debate somehow and Corbyn cunted him on Law and Order. What's going on? I haven’t seen it but if momo is saying a draw I assume boris battered him
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 6, 2019 22:10:49 GMT
One of Pie's best rants yet. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant eh? "As Mayor of London he cut Police numbers" I'm sure you know that the Mayor of London isn't responsible for police numbers, but yes, a very impressive rant if facts aren't particularly important
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Post by algor on Dec 6, 2019 22:11:48 GMT
I think this election campaign has really taken it out on 70 year old Corbyn, he is looking old and frail, can anyone really see him being able to be a Prime Minister for 5 years?
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 6, 2019 22:17:22 GMT
I think this election campaign has really taken it out on 70 year old Corbyn, he is looking old and frail, can anyone really see him being able to be a Prime Minister for 5 years? I agree He seems to have aged considerably in the last few weeks. That could be a result of supporting Arsenal though.😊 Seriously though. I do think politics these days is a younger person gig.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 6, 2019 22:22:56 GMT
I think this election campaign has really taken it out on 70 year old Corbyn, he is looking old and frail, can anyone really see him being able to be a Prime Minister for 5 years? I agree He seems to have aged considerably in the last few weeks. That could be a result of supporting Arsenal though.😊 Seriously though. I do think politics these days is a younger person gig. I agree it's probably the arsenal he's trying to figure out how to break the news to the other fans that he wants a second referendum on the wenger sacking
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2019 22:25:08 GMT
A much better format than the ITV one and pretty much a draw as has been said. I think where Corbyn makes ground is that against Johnson he looks like an adult in the room and Johnson is so absurd he can make look Corbyn look Prime Ministerial. We certainly live in strange times though, I honestly think Johnson shaded the NHS debate somehow and Corbyn cunted him on Law and Order. What's going on? I haven’t seen it but if momo is saying a draw I assume boris battered him Not at all it was restrained that's all. Corbyn looks Prime Ministerial against Johnson which might influence a few genuine undecideds, the debate was an even to and fro with a few surprise wins for either side. Labour needed a win which they didn't get for sure but I sense a genuine weariness with Johnson's one club approach. Corbyn has many issues but Johnson's biggest problem is that he is a slippery twat. Anyone with a basic reading of the human condition cam see that and I wonder if it might cost him a fair few votes in the end?
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 6, 2019 22:25:51 GMT
I agree He seems to have aged considerably in the last few weeks. That could be a result of supporting Arsenal though.😊 Seriously though. I do think politics these days is a younger person gig. I agree it's probably the arsenal he's trying to figure out how to break the news to the other fans that he wants a second referendum on the wenger sacking Yep. You don't know what you've got till it's gone.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2019 22:27:47 GMT
One of Pie's best rants yet. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant eh? "As Mayor of London he cut Police numbers" I'm sure you know that the Mayor of London isn't responsible for police numbers, but yes, a very impressive rant if facts aren't particularly important So you agree that Johnson is a lying cunt for blaming the rise in stabbings in London on Khan then? And Trump is a racist cunt?
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Post by algor on Dec 6, 2019 22:33:51 GMT
I haven’t seen it but if momo is saying a draw I assume boris battered him Not at all it was restrained that's all. Corbyn looks Prime Ministerial against Johnson which might influence a few genuine undecideds, the debate was an even to and fro with a few surprise wins for either side. Labour needed a win which they didn't get for sure but I sense a genuine weariness with Johnson's one club approach. Corbyn has many issues but Johnson's biggest problem is that he is a slippery twat. Anyone with a basic reading of the human condition cam see that and I wonder if it might cost him a fair few votes in the end? I guess we all see what we want to see but I saw a fat arrogant get Brexit done slippery twat and an old, frail can't tell you what my opinion is but if I throw enough shit it might stick slippery twat. I read it that neither of them are really good enough to run the country and you have to vote for who you think will be the least worst!
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Post by salopstick on Dec 6, 2019 22:35:27 GMT
I haven’t seen it but if momo is saying a draw I assume boris battered him Not at all it was restrained that's all. Corbyn looks Prime Ministerial against Johnson which might influence a few genuine undecideds, the debate was an even to and fro with a few surprise wins for either side. Labour needed a win which they didn't get for sure but I sense a genuine weariness with Johnson's one club approach. Corbyn has many issues but Johnson's biggest problem is that he is a slippery twat. Anyone with a basic reading of the human condition cam see that and I wonder if it might cost him a fair few votes in the end? Tbh mate that’s very fair from you. I agree Boris is a slimey sod but it’s all about the team behind him. I’m sorry jezza’s team. McDonnell Abbott and Thornberry not much good to say about any of em
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 6, 2019 22:36:18 GMT
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant eh? "As Mayor of London he cut Police numbers" I'm sure you know that the Mayor of London isn't responsible for police numbers, but yes, a very impressive rant if facts aren't particularly important So you agree that Johnson is a lying cunt for blaming the rise in stabbings in London on Khan then? And Trump is a racist cunt? I said that the Mayor of London isn't responsible for Police numbers, how the Mayor of London prioritises those numbers is down to the Mayor. What's Trump got to do with London policing?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 6, 2019 22:54:39 GMT
Go unicorns. Nothing to lose. Apart from your job, your house, your pension unicorns are as mythical as a prosperous Marxist country. There were a lot of reservations about Clement Attlee at the time but he presided over one of the most successful governments ever. Incredible period of social reform, NHS, Bank of England, roads, cables, canals, electricity and gas all nationalised. Flat rate pensions, sickness and unemployment benefits. Sick leave. Requirement of lunch breaks. Free secondary school education becomes a legal right. Unemployment never below 2%. Productivity rose while the working week shortened. All of those things were presumably laughed off as fantasy at the time too. All of that happened under austerity measures that were forced by WW2. Our lives would have undoubtedly been much harder today if that socialist government hadn't have existed.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2019 22:59:33 GMT
So you agree that Johnson is a lying cunt for blaming the rise in stabbings in London on Khan then? And Trump is a racist cunt? I said that the Mayor of London isn't responsible for Police numbers, how the Mayor of London prioritises those numbers is down to the Mayor. What's Trump got to do with London policing? Both Johnson and Trump have outright blamed Khan for crime in London, the latter in particular with racist overtones. Not fair then in your view?
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Post by algor on Dec 6, 2019 23:06:53 GMT
Apart from your job, your house, your pension unicorns are as mythical as a prosperous Marxist country. There were a lot of reservations about Clement Attlee at the time but he presided over one of the most successful governments ever. Incredible period of social reform, NHS, Bank of England, roads, cables, canals, electricity and gas all nationalised. Flat rate pensions, sickness and unemployment benefits. Sick leave. Requirement of lunch breaks. Free secondary school education becomes a legal right. Unemployment never below 2%. Productivity rose while the working week shortened. All of those things were presumably laughed off as fantasy at the time too. All of that happened under austerity measures that were forced by WW2. Our lives would have undoubtedly been much harder today if that socialist government hadn't have existed. All very good points but comparing Attlee to Corbyn is... well at the very least debatable, It is also a very different world, an international world. You do keep on ignoring the massive Elephant in the room, BREXIT! You can't sweep that under the rug mate and that is what Labour are doing. Betrayal is a very personal thing that is hard to forgive!
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 6, 2019 23:08:45 GMT
I said that the Mayor of London isn't responsible for Police numbers, how the Mayor of London prioritises those numbers is down to the Mayor. What's Trump got to do with London policing? Both Johnson and Trump have outright blamed Khan for crime in London, the latter in particular with racist overtones. Not fair then in your view? Crime was fewer when Boris was Mayor and that was when May was cutting police numbers. www.statista.com/statistics/380963/london-crime-rate/
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 6, 2019 23:09:36 GMT
Labour's policy isn't to stop Brexit?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2019 23:12:16 GMT
Both Johnson and Trump have outright blamed Khan for crime in London, the latter in particular with racist overtones. Not fair then in your view? Crime was fewer when Boris was Mayor and that was when May was cutting police numbers. www.statista.com/statistics/380963/london-crime-rate/Yeah but nothing to do with the Mayor is what you're saying, right?
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Post by serpico on Dec 6, 2019 23:16:52 GMT
Labour's policy isn't to stop Brexit? it is to basically null and void the first referendum by having a "peoples vote" with a choice between remain and quasi leave .
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 6, 2019 23:20:41 GMT
Yeah but nothing to do with the Mayor is what you're saying, right? You like statistics, crime in London was far less under Johnson than it is under Khan, don't you agree?
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Post by algor on Dec 6, 2019 23:21:47 GMT
Labour's policy isn't to stop Brexit? It is. Its a choice of continuing to pay into the EU budget, keeping freedom of movement, being subject to EU law and not being able to make independent trade deals OR remain. That isn't a choice!
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 6, 2019 23:30:58 GMT
Over here as in Holland.No thanks.I will go to India when I emigrate.(truth actually) I dont normally vote as I dont really consider myself a true capitalist and I dont like capitalist values.But this time its different. I find it strange how you get a kick out of peoples genuine worries about the direction our country is going, and you just find it funny.No surprise really, another trait box ticked. India.....? A beautiful country....a bit jealous if Im honest I'll be open with you in saying I am a capitalist bastard.... the thing that resonated with me years ago was Norman Tebbitt telling the country to 'get off their arse, get on a bike and go and look for work' or words to that effect. Ive lived here for over 20 years and worked fuckin hard for what I have now.....you get NO hand outs over here in NL believe me. Unless youre a muslim transgender refugee with 5 kids then you can fill your boots..... a bit like the UK I reckon I see people moaning on here, wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth over the slightest titbit or snippet and think to myself: "do something then and stop whining If I can do it then ANYONE can.....I went to Alsager Comp and left with absolutely FUCK ALL qualifications. Before I took the plunge I looked around at what I had and saw even back then that the UK was on its fuckin knees. I had the balls to go for it Thats why I laugh my sack off because people expect a Utopia state when in reality whichever party gets it wont change one iota believe me. I agree with your sentiment particularly about the moaners, but don't get the bit about the UK on it's knees. I left North Staffs in 1966 and have worked in Wales 4 times and North East most of the time, where ever work took me, and now retired in the heart of deep blue North Yorkshire. The UK has a record number in work, the 5th biggest economy in the world, loads of people moving here (some prepared to risk their lives in a dinghy), and the lowest level of unemployment for 40 years. We still have the best society in the world, despite the backward areas, and my guess is more people prefer to live in the UK with what it offers than say The Netherlands. London has the 6th largest French population of any city in the world, a quarter of a million of them know which side their bread is buttered. I rarely go into York because it's full of Japanese and visitors from New York! This is a great country and will remain so as long as the likes of Corbyn doesn't get into power and ruin the economy as every past Labour government has done.
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