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Post by essexstokey on Dec 6, 2019 11:26:34 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 6, 2019 11:36:31 GMT
I think a 6-point gap is enough for a Tory majority isn't it - given the gap was 2.4% in 2017 and the Tories was just a handful of seats away from a majority. A very simplistic calculation as there are many other factors involved, but I'd be amazed if the Tories ended up with 6% more of the vote share without a majority. Obviously a 6-pointed gap in the polls means it could end up being a 2-point gap come election day (or a 10-pointer) given the margain of error, but even with a slight closing of the gap over the last week I don't see too much there for Tories to be worried about. The gap between tory and labour is wider than the last election. But the tories will lose most of the DUP support as they will lose in NI.They will also get annihilated in Scotland.Plus the Lib dems will take some as well.Votes from abroad will also affect the tory vote too this time. The key point in this election is Labour don’t need to win in order to win. Because this election is a Brexit election, the Tories are on their own. Unless they win a majority they lose. If they don’t achieve this, Labour will form the government with some sort of arrangement with the SNP and possibly the LibDems. A 6 point lead may not be enough for the Tories because they need to win lots of Labour seats and in those seats the margins are very tight. The one bright spot in this for the Tories is Scotland for which they have the SNP to thank (and Labour to a lesser, but nevertheless important degree). Your analysis in this regard is wrong. In Scotland, the SNP have made this election about indyref2. Labour’s position on this is ambiguous. The Tories isn’t. And that is playing well for them. It seems they will now retain the vast majority of their seats in Scotland by playing the Union card hard. Labour is the party facing annihilation in Scotland - maybe 1 seat. The LibDems may take some seats in the south but it ain’t certain. Perversely, a narrowing of the polls may help them as Tory Remain waverers in those seats may return to the Tory fold if they decide a Corbyn Government is a worse prospect than Brexit. It is certainly wide open though (apart for Labour in Scotland of course - but that doesn’t matter to Labour overall because an SNP seat is as good as a Labour one as far as they are concerned in that it helps deny the Tories their majority)
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 6, 2019 11:38:43 GMT
well in other tory news in my constituency seems like shes ashamed to say shes conservative front page of leaflet no mention on the back page two small and I mean small logos Can you please go back to posting memes. As bad as they are, they’re better than your writing which is just gibberish.
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 6, 2019 11:39:30 GMT
You didnt even read the article did you, she herself has a down syndrome child, talks about how she can only work 8 to 15 hours a week says most employers are not interested in taking on someone like her daughter so she set up a charity herself to provide work opportunities for children with learning disabilities. Typical vile tory hey. Labourites use these issues to bait people in so when you reply they demagogue the issue and call you an evil bastard, context be damned. Yes - and don’t the faithful just lap it up.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 6, 2019 11:39:49 GMT
Absolutely disgraceful are you are defending it.Total utter exploitation we have laws in this country protecting workers from people like this who think its right to exploit and under pay wherever possible.Doing them a favour? Vile. You didnt even read the article did you, she herself has a down syndrome child, talks about how she can only work 8 to 15 hours a week says most employers are not interested in taking on someone like her daughter so she set up a charity herself to provide work opportunities for children with learning disabilities. Typical vile tory hey. Whatever work she does she should not be paid less than anyone else .Period.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 6, 2019 11:45:01 GMT
I am still bewildered that Stoke-on-Trent North may be electing a Tory MP.
Staggering.
Hopefully more people start to develop a conscience in the voting booth.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2019 11:46:52 GMT
Absolutely disgraceful are you are defending it.Total utter exploitation we have laws in this country protecting workers from people like this who think its right to exploit and under pay wherever possible.Doing them a favour? Vile. You didnt even read the article did you, she herself has a down syndrome child, talks about how she can only work 8 to 15 hours a week says most employers are not interested in taking on someone like her daughter so she set up a charity herself to provide work opportunities for children with learning disabilities. Typical vile tory hey.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 11:53:00 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2019 11:55:48 GMT
You didnt even read the article did you, she herself has a down syndrome child, talks about how she can only work 8 to 15 hours a week says most employers are not interested in taking on someone like her daughter so she set up a charity herself to provide work opportunities for children with learning disabilities. Typical vile tory hey. Yes and that is the point of the article in the spectator by a woman with a child who has learning difficulties the candidate quoted. If she said pay minimum wage and the government gives some sort of tax credit / reduction that would be ok with you I assume, her aim is to increase the number of people with learning difficulties in employment because employers unless they have family with the same condition will just take the easy option of not employing someone with a LD at all.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2019 11:59:06 GMT
Yeah Ch4 are going to give Boris a break jesus wept, I watched the clip he says talent as he has many times before whats interesting is all these left wingers like zarb balls said nothing on a 12000 page report going in on racism in Labour but within 25 minutes can fire off a string of tweets about fake boris racism.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2019 12:01:10 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2019 12:15:47 GMT
James Robb another well known tory.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 12:16:53 GMT
Yeah Ch4 are going to give Boris a break jesus wept, I watched the clip he says talent as he has many times before whats interesting is all these left wingers like zarb balls said nothing on a 12000 page report going in on racism in Labour but within 25 minutes can fire off a string of tweets about fake boris racism. We need to have a 72 hour debate on it and draft in lip reading experts, that's the right thing to do.....
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 6, 2019 12:23:09 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2019 12:24:39 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 6, 2019 12:26:58 GMT
Absolutely disgraceful are you are defending it.Total utter exploitation we have laws in this country protecting workers from people like this who think its right to exploit and under pay wherever possible.Doing them a favour? Vile. I wouldn't knock it. Even you might get a job
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 6, 2019 12:27:29 GMT
oh dear oh dear Johnson caught lying again on Brexit leaked government documents show n Ireland will have to fill out extra paperwork to trade within uk also Scotland and wales! get this lying party out of no 10! vote whichever way to do this ! don't give the tories 5 more years of lying, selling off our nhs and public services so the rich can get tax cuts and avoid tax! Attachment Deleted
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 6, 2019 12:28:24 GMT
Again in the article she is quoting the mother of a child who said she got a £5 tip and asked if it was enough to goto New York and yes working and interacting with people will be better for their wellbeing that having nothing to do all day.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 6, 2019 12:28:46 GMT
oh dear oh dear Johnson caught lying again on Brexit leaked government documents show n Ireland will have to fill out extra paperwork to trade within uk also Scotland and wales! get this lying party out of no 10! vote whichever way to do this ! don't give the tories 5 more years of lying, selling off our nhs and public services so the rich can get tax cuts and avoid tax! View Attachment youre proud of that?
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 6, 2019 12:36:15 GMT
Again in the article she is quoting the mother of a child who said she got a £5 tip and asked if it was enough to goto New York and yes working and interacting with people will be better for their wellbeing that having nothing to do all day. And youre trying to defend this. Just in case youre having difficulties James Taylor, Head of Policy, Campaigns and Public Affairs at disability equality charity, Scope, said: ‘These opinions are outdated, inexcusable, and should be consigned to history. ‘Disabled people should be paid equally for the work that they do. ‘There are a million disabled people who want to work, but are denied the opportunity. We need urgent action from the next Government to make sure disabled people can get into work, stay in work and thrive in work.’ Ms Hart and the Conservative Party are yet to comment. Think he understands the situation a little better than you duck.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2019 12:36:32 GMT
James Robb another well known tory..... I can't stand O'brien, but fair play for going against the grain, there. The 100% line was interesting....
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 6, 2019 12:37:44 GMT
Gosh, nearly a week still to go. I think some heads are going to fall off on here the way things are going.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 6, 2019 12:42:55 GMT
Yes and that is the point of the article in the spectator by a woman with a child who has learning difficulties the candidate quoted. If she said pay minimum wage and the government gives some sort of tax credit / reduction that would be ok with you I assume, her aim is to increase the number of people with learning difficulties in employment because employers unless they have family with the same condition will just take the easy option of not employing someone with a LD at all. That's not what she said though. What she said perpetuates the argument that they're worth less to society than other people.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 6, 2019 12:44:23 GMT
Its over-dramatising from essex AGAIN...and to answer your question "am I proud of that"...? The NHS sell off issue gets wheeled out EVERY election yet its still there...funny that heh ! Selling off public services creates competition - crack on with your free broadband, nationalisation of utilities and see what happens.....so yeah I am Its just fun watching yourself, essex and momo reacting to peoples posts I will re-iterate AGAIN that ALL politicians are in it for themselves and by voting for your chosen party will be endorsing this corruption you speak of. You should come and live over here - its a great place to live !
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2019 12:44:56 GMT
Yes and that is the point of the article in the spectator by a woman with a child who has learning difficulties the candidate quoted. If she said pay minimum wage and the government gives some sort of tax credit / reduction that would be ok with you I assume, her aim is to increase the number of people with learning difficulties in employment because employers unless they have family with the same condition will just take the easy option of not employing someone with a LD at all. That's not what she said though. What she said perpetuates the argument that they're worth less to society than other people. The bit about not understanding money?
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 6, 2019 12:46:42 GMT
Gosh, nearly a week still to go. I think some heads are going to fall off on here the way things are going. Its BRILLIANT isnt it !!!!!!
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Post by serpico on Dec 6, 2019 12:58:59 GMT
James Robb another well known tory..... "the twitter mob have got it wrong FOR ONCE" ? lol yeh, ok, just this once I mentioned this yesterday about people looking for racism everywhere and making themselves look foolish in doing so, since then we have had the kevin campbell debacle an now this.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 6, 2019 13:03:41 GMT
Its over-dramatising from essex AGAIN...and to answer your question "am I proud of that"...? The NHS sell off issue gets wheeled out EVERY election yet its still there...funny that heh ! Selling off public services creates competition - crack on with your free broadband, nationalisation of utilities and see what happens.....so yeah I am Its just fun watching yourself, essex and momo reacting to peoples posts I will re-iterate AGAIN that ALL politicians are in it for themselves and by voting for your chosen party will be endorsing this corruption you speak of. You should come and live over here - its a great place to live ! Over here as in Holland.No thanks.I will go to India when I emigrate.(truth actually) I dont normally vote as I dont really consider myself a true capitalist and I dont like capitalist values.But this time its different. I find it strange how you get a kick out of peoples genuine worries about the direction our country is going, and you just find it funny.No surprise really, another trait box ticked.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 6, 2019 13:05:50 GMT
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Post by algor on Dec 6, 2019 13:10:34 GMT
Its over-dramatising from essex AGAIN...and to answer your question "am I proud of that"...? The NHS sell off issue gets wheeled out EVERY election yet its still there...funny that heh ! Selling off public services creates competition - crack on with your free broadband, nationalisation of utilities and see what happens.....so yeah I am Its just fun watching yourself, essex and momo reacting to peoples posts I will re-iterate AGAIN that ALL politicians are in it for themselves and by voting for your chosen party will be endorsing this corruption you speak of. You should come and live over here - its a great place to live ! Over here as in Holland.No thanks.I will go to India when I emigrate.(truth actually) I dont normally vote as I dont really consider myself a true capitalist and I dont like capitalist values.But this time its different. I find it strange how you get a kick out of peoples genuine worries about the direction our country is going, and you just find it funny.No surprise really, another trait box ticked. Do you think it might just be possible that people with different political opinions to your own also have genuine worries about the direction Labour would take this country? Do you really believe that people who have different opinions to your own are just evil, that they are not real people with real concerns? With regards to emigrating to India, how much do you need and how soon can you go? I will organise a whip round.
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