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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 2, 2019 12:10:58 GMT
Predictable fuckwits though I literally don't know how they manage to be even more idiotic year on fucking year. Every fucking season that surpass the levels of competency we thought they could never surpass. We are an absolute joke of a Club. They've been getting off with their stupendous failings for three years now on the basis of who they are and, whilst I would never call for them out, jesus fucking christ what is wrong with them! Why the flying fuck are we getting manager tips off a man in the pub? How can they not see that this absolute joker hasn't got the first clue of how to turn things around, recruit, pick a team or formation. Is this all a fucking joke to them or something. They are going to fucking ruin us the absolute clowns. How is it even possible? Despite all the good things they've done for the club they are pretty much on their way to unravelling all that work and forever tarnishing that legacy. Not only that they are running the risk of having the fan base turn on them the credit they have in the bank won't last forever.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 2, 2019 12:12:02 GMT
I agree sticking with Jones is the right decision for now. I think the fact we've been so unlucky this season must factor into the decision e.g. the number of times we've hit the woodwork and the percentage of times mistakes have been critically punished. If it goes on much longer though, no manager will ever turn the team's confidence around. Pulis would likely keep us up, but then what? Hitting the woodwork = shooting off target (being shit) Making stupid mistakes = being shit You can’t call either unlucky. We have one of the worst shots on target stats in the division. Coupled with a fragile defence is a terrible combination. Not anything to do with luck though. Shooting off target or players making stupid mistakes isn't really the manager's fault. You can't disagree we've been unlucky this season, and that those stupid mistakes haven't been brutally punished - we've still conceded amongst the least shots in the division, yet have conceded the most goals. I agree sticking with Jones is the right decision for now. I think the fact we've been so unlucky this season must factor into the decision e.g. the number of times we've hit the woodwork and the percentage of times mistakes have been critically punished. If it goes on much longer though, no manager will ever turn the team's confidence around. Pulis would likely keep us up, but then what? Hitting the woodwork is not bad luck- there is 192 square feet of space to put the ball in- a crossbar is 8 yards long and 3 inches wide, a post is 8 feet high and 3 inches wide- to hit a post or bar and miss 192 square feet of space is shite finishing. The number of times we've hit it is bad luck. These are the fine margins that could've seen the team's confidence take a turn for the better.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 2, 2019 12:13:15 GMT
Absolutely fucking spineless. So we’d rather go down another division than give this clown the bullet. We’ve gone from battering Liverpool 6-1 to the brink of the third tier in four years, and still we’re operating in the same lackadaisical, braindead manner, and crucially, NONE of the higher-ups who have overseen this absolutely cataclysmic abortion have been given the chop. Quite frankly we deserve whatever happens to us, we’re a joke. Joke doesn't even begin to describe what we have become.
There are 90 year old pensioners who have more chance of their penis staying up than we have of staying up in the Championship right now. Cannot believe he looks he'll survive the Brum beating.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:13:23 GMT
You can just see Coates statement come may, something along the lines of....'in hindsight we should have made the change earlier blah blah blah'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:13:25 GMT
Crazy decision to persevere with him when this two week period is the ideal time to get rid and install a new manager before our situation gets even worse.
Typical head in the sand attitude yet again from the Board - "lessons have been learned", what absolute tosh. They are continuing to operate in exactly the same way as they did previously, and we all know the end result of that "policy".
Just what will it take for them to finally bite the bullet and get rid of Jones ? How many more defeats, how many goals conceded, how far adrift at the bottom of the league ?
I just cannot understand how they can allow this to continue - the writing is large on the wall and relegation is a real possibility unless they take some action.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:14:05 GMT
I literally don't know how they manage to be even more idiotic year on fucking year. Every fucking season that surpass the levels of competency we thought they could never surpass. We are an absolute joke of a Club. They've been getting off with their stupendous failings for three years now on the basis of who they are and, whilst I would never call for them out, jesus fucking christ what is wrong with them! Why the flying fuck are we getting manager tips off a man in the pub? How can they not see that this absolute joker hasn't got the first clue of how to turn things around, recruit, pick a team or formation. Is this all a fucking joke to them or something. They are going to fucking ruin us the absolute clowns. How is it even possible? Despite all the good things they've done for the club they are pretty much on their way to unravelling all that work and forever tarnishing that legacy. Not only that they are running the risk of having the fan base turn on them the credit they have in the bank won't last forever. Either they will be absolute fucking hell fire unleased by the crowd after another few loses or people will just stop bothering. I think people have just had enough now. What is the point? Has a club ever had this this level of failure with their owners actually investing and trying to push on? Most clubs their owners give up and don’t give a shit but we’ve managed to try and completely fuck it up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:17:09 GMT
Which has been the case during the appointments of Lambert, Rowett and Jones but that didn't stop the owners from picking the duds we've endured.
They admitted that Jones was a 'left-field' appointment which as far as I'm concerned brings a sizeable element of risk. I would have thought that poor results from Jones would result in a quicker sacking than that for a more experienced and trusted manager.
The risk has failed.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Sept 2, 2019 12:17:59 GMT
If it works the board will be lauded for their bravery and conviction.
If it doesn't it's just another error to add to the ever-growing catalogue.
I know which I'd rather, but I know which it's more than likely to be, at this stage.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:19:51 GMT
I don't buy into this shite of "we dont want to be seen as a club who sacks managers at the drop of a hat".
Firstly we have had five managers in 13 years.
In the same time frame Chelsea have had what, 13 or so?
I don't even really count Lambert. To me it was obvious Lambert was a stop gap. We wanted Rowett, but Derby were on the cusp of promotion.
I reckon the deal was he doesn't get Derby up then he was all ours. I think the new contract was just a ruse so his wages were matched with what we were going to pay him. It also allowed for a quite neat, agreed compo amount.
Lambert was never in the picture really.
The appointment on paper was okay. In practice it was a disaster. He rightly went.
What we then needed was a steadying hand. A manager with experience or one who the players would respect, or maybe a combination of both.
What we got was a totally left field appointment. Neither experienced nor one to command respect. A bang average former player with a ridiculous managerial ego.
It has been a disaster. One that needs to end quickly.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 2, 2019 12:19:53 GMT
If it works the board will be lauded for their bravery and conviction. If it doesn't it's just another error to add to the ever-growing catalogue. Let’s be honest given their current track record it’s going to be the latter. If we fell into a sea full of boobies we’d come out sucking a cock.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 2, 2019 12:21:26 GMT
If it works the board will be lauded for their bravery and conviction. If it doesn't it's just another error to add to the ever-growing catalogue. They better pray that it works out.
If it doesn't, and the eventual result is we are doomed then I will never forgive them for letting everything slip away. I really thought when we signed Shaq back in 15/16 that we'd disrupt the Top 8 of the Prem. Look at us now, dithering bottom of the Championship looking like League 1 candidates. It hurts knowing how we let it all happen.
We've been in worse but regardless, this is absolutely wank in it's own right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:23:19 GMT
If it works the board will be lauded for their bravery and conviction. If it doesn't it's just another error to add to the ever-growing catalogue. Let’s be honest given their current track record it’s going to be the latter. If we fell into a sea full of boobies we’d come out sucking a cock. I don't think we'd be that lucky
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Post by serpico on Sept 2, 2019 12:25:51 GMT
I doubt any manager has ever turned around such a poor run of results ? Really they’re just delaying the inevitable.
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Post by Sfance on Sept 2, 2019 12:30:41 GMT
If they gave out a Nobel prize for schadenfreude, this board would win it hands down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:31:59 GMT
If they gave out a Nobel prize for schadenfreude, this board would win it hands down. Not really cus the misfortune is all ours
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 2, 2019 12:32:36 GMT
If it works the board will be lauded for their bravery and conviction. If it doesn't it's just another error to add to the ever-growing catalogue. They better pray that it works out. If it doesn't, and the eventual result is we are doomed then I will never forgive them for letting everything slip away. I really thought when we signed Shaq back in 15/16 that we'd disrupt the Top 8 of the Prem. Look at us now, dithering bottom of the Championship looking like League 1 candidates. It hurts knowing how we let it all happen. We've been in worse but regardless, this is absolutely wank in it's own right.
Yes we were looking like we might challenge Everton, Leicester as the best outside the top 6. At that time it needed some serious strategic thinking of how we can push on and improve and utilise BET 365 mega bucks. Instead complacency set in, the board continued to allow managers to have their way with dubious signings. Our recruitment team have never been fit for purpose and got bailed out by some astute signings by Pulis and Hughes. Once Hughes lost interest and made awaful signings we sank and one major decision after another at the club were poor. I can see now that John Coates isn't a strategic thinker or has any business acumen at all but I genuinely thought Coates senior in discussion with Denise would have been able to plan an upward curve from the strong position we were in.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Sept 2, 2019 12:33:52 GMT
Obviously the results have been utterly horrendous but could the reason he's not facing the chop right now be because of the relatively easy ride he's been given by fans at the game? I don't recall hearing many, if any, loud chants of Jones Out at the match.
How's the Waddo looking these days? In need of a facelift?
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 2, 2019 12:34:18 GMT
I doubt any manager has ever turned around such a poor run of results ? Really they’re just delaying the inevitable. They will reap what they sow if they keep delaying it.
If we lose against Bristol City then I'll go fucking spare if he isn't sacked. It's tantamount to footballing suicide. His record is bad enough, it cannot be allowed to get any worse. We are now 2 wins away from getting out of the drop zone which might not sound a lot, but in this league it is, and Jones is good enough to get those 2 wins currently.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 2, 2019 12:34:43 GMT
An excellent, brave decision. How nice to see the owners have courage in their convictions, instead of taking the cowardly way out. Do you see things getting better, MD?
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Post by mcw on Sept 2, 2019 12:35:58 GMT
It will be something akin to Lazarus rising from the dead! There could be a residue here from the Hughes sacking. Despite the token comments after he was sacked about how we waited too long in hindsight, it was obvious that the sentiment was that they wanted to stick with him to the bitter end to see if he could turn it around and only fan displeasure pushed them into the decision. Move forwards 2 years and possibly (if you wanted to think of it this way) you could say that sacking Hughes led to relegation and the manager merry go round with Rowett and now Jones. Now you could argue that relegation under Hughes was inevitable, but that we will never know. So are they thinking we were pushed into ditching a manager who we had faith in last time round (exclude Lambert who was a fall guy and Rowett who talked himself out of the job) and look what that led too and therefore are doggedly sticking behind their project come what may...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:38:22 GMT
Haughton could be at Watford within a couple of months. Two seemingly successful managers have come to Stoke and fallen on the their faces / swords. The club will not take another risk with managerial appointments, it will be experienced, tried and tested. Any such manager takes one look at our recent history, one look at our squad and one look at the players we have on mind-blowing wagers on loan and won't touch us with a barge pole.
Jones is still here because there's no alternative. Well there's one, but it's one of the few points of difference between Coates Snr and Jnr
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:40:22 GMT
Obviously the results have been utterly horrendous but could the reason he's not facing the chop right now be because of the relatively easy ride he's been given by fans at the game? I don't recall hearing many, if any, loud chants of Jones Out at the match. How's the Waddo looking these days? In need of a facelift? The latest indefensible, unjustified, act of absolute fucking lunacy in sending Verlinden to Bolton, fucking Bolton of all places, will no doubt have tipped a lot of people over the edge.
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Post by serpico on Sept 2, 2019 12:41:45 GMT
If I had known they’d bring lambert in a would have fully supported keeping Hughes on for the remainder of the season, in The end we only needed 4 points, he might have seen us over the line,
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 2, 2019 12:43:49 GMT
Obviously the results have been utterly horrendous but could the reason he's not facing the chop right now be because of the relatively easy ride he's been given by fans at the game? I don't recall hearing many, if any, loud chants of Jones Out at the match. How's the Waddo looking these days? In need of a facelift? The latest indefensible, unjustified, act of absolute fucking lunacy in sending Verlinden to Bolton, fucking Bolton of all places, will no doubt have tipped a lot of people over the edge. I’ve only just seen that. The atmosphere is going to be horrific at the next game, because let’s face it this dopey dick will still be in charge. It’s like we’re deliberately trying to completely disintegrate from within. I want them all gone, the manager, the players, the higher-ups, the owners, fuck the lot of them off and start again, it’s clear as day they’ve completely lost the plot.
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Post by mcw on Sept 2, 2019 12:44:15 GMT
Obviously the results have been utterly horrendous but could the reason he's not facing the chop right now be because of the relatively easy ride he's been given by fans at the game? I don't recall hearing many, if any, loud chants of Jones Out at the match. How's the Waddo looking these days? In need of a facelift? The latest indefensible, unjustified, act of absolute fucking lunacy in sending Verlinden to Bolton, fucking Bolton of all places, will no doubt have tipped a lot of people over the edge. Yep, just the kind of place you want to send a youngster to in order to get some confidence. If he was a defender or a defensive midfielder then yes as he would be getting invaluable experience, but sending a winger out there when they are being ripped to shreds every week is a bit baffling. Didn't he also say it would have to be a mind blowing option for him to go out!?
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 2, 2019 12:45:52 GMT
Knowing our board I didn't expect them to make an "announcement" after Brum. Maybe if we had lost 6-0, but our patient ones will give him more time considering the defeat was just slender. Our egg basket has "Nathan Jones 2019-2020" written on it and currently the board seem to have few other ideas on how to take the club forward.
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Post by shipshape on Sept 2, 2019 12:48:31 GMT
I doubt any manager has ever turned around such a poor run of results ? Really they’re just delaying the inevitable. Can't believe he's still here. Well maybe I can. Lee Johnson at Bristol City survived an eleven game losing streak a couple of years back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 12:49:41 GMT
The latest indefensible, unjustified, act of absolute fucking lunacy in sending Verlinden to Bolton, fucking Bolton of all places, will no doubt have tipped a lot of people over the edge. Yep, just the kind of place you want to send a youngster to in order to get some confidence. If he was a defender or a defensive midfielder then yes as he would be getting invaluable experience, but sending a winger out there when they are being ripped to shreds every week is a bit baffling. Didn't he also say it would have to be a mind blowing option for him to go out!? "Verlinden is right in between and I’m reluctant to let him go out on loan, but we have to look to his future and if something appealing comes in we will look at it." The man's being lying out of his arse since day one.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 2, 2019 12:50:49 GMT
Yep, just the kind of place you want to send a youngster to in order to get some confidence. If he was a defender or a defensive midfielder then yes as he would be getting invaluable experience, but sending a winger out there when they are being ripped to shreds every week is a bit baffling. Didn't he also say it would have to be a mind blowing option for him to go out!? "Verlinden is right in between and I’m reluctant to let him go out on loan, but we have to look to his future and if something appealing comes in we will look at it." The man's being lying out of his arse since day one. If sending him to a team full of kids that are shipping 5 goals a game is appealing then something is clinically wrong with Jones.
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Post by serpico on Sept 2, 2019 12:53:40 GMT
We shouldn’t be relying on youngsters anyway, the fact supporters are crying out for them to be played is an indication of how shite Jones’ signings have been.
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