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Post by stokemark on Sept 2, 2019 8:53:08 GMT
Federici Edwards Lindsay Collins MacLean Woods Etebo. Clucas Powell Gregory. Campbell This but with Butland in goal (not sure about Lindsay either but who else ?)
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Post by philb on Sept 2, 2019 8:53:12 GMT
I posted this exact same team on Saturday Jez. 👍 Yep about as good as we could put out.... Can’t see why anybody would put Powell to play in a team for the next 6 games. I’d be surprised if he manages a run of 3 games on the trot the whole season!
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 2, 2019 8:54:46 GMT
If we stick with Jones I want him to back himself and make the diamond work
Butland Edwards Collins Indi Clucas Woods Allen Etebo Powell Hogan Gregory
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Post by jwhpotter on Sept 2, 2019 8:55:34 GMT
Federici Edwards Lindsay Collins MacLean Woods Etebo. Clucas Powell Gregory. Campbell This but with Butland in goal (not sure about Lindsay either but who else ?) BMI all day
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Post by stokemark on Sept 2, 2019 8:56:15 GMT
None of this diamond shite. Federici Edwards Collins Indi Ward Woods Etebo Ince Powell Verlinden Vokes Ward ffs - terrible signing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2019 8:59:27 GMT
None of this diamond shite. Federici Edwards Collins Indi Ward Woods Etebo Ince Powell Verlinden Vokes Ward ffs - terrible signing He is. It was him or Clucas though so I wasn’t fond of either choice.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 2, 2019 9:39:31 GMT
My analysis is as follows: During the transfer window the club brought in: Davies, Cousins, Gregory, Lindsay, Powell, Ward, and Smith; plus loanees Hogan, Carter-Vickers, and Duffy.
However the regular players have been: Butland 5, Lindsay 6, Batth 6, Smith 5, Allan 5, McClean 6, Clucas 8, Woods 5, Ince, 5, Gregory 5
Only Lindsay, Gregory, and Smith appear on both lists! Powell has been out due to injury and known to be a regular "no shower".
Of the regular players only Woods and McClean have put in decent performances, yet both are not totally suited to the positions they have been playing. Woods is unable to defend and McClean is still learning a new role. But we are stuck with them.
We have had too many defenders making silly mistakes, only Butland has actually been dropped ( + Edwards?) We have a total lack of creativity.
Jones has one last throw of the dice and if I was him I would put my faith in youthful talent and those players who have let him down least and have the least stench of failure:
Federici Edwards Collins Indi McClean Verlinden Woods Etebo Clucas Powell (Duffy) Gregory Campbell
bench Butland, Smith, Carter-Vickers, Batth, Hogan, Ince, + 1
I'd go with a conventional back 4 with proper left side and right side players to give width. Creativity from Powell or Duffy and speed from Campbell, which clearly troubled Leeds. Gregory is preferred to Vokes to hold the ball played long from deep.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2019 9:45:55 GMT
Yep about as good as we could put out.... Can’t see why anybody would put Powell to play in a team for the next 6 games. I’d be surprised if he manages a run of 3 games on the trot the whole season! It's Powell (if he's available) or Duffy if he's not, isn't it?
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 2, 2019 9:48:23 GMT
Some basic principles for picking a team from this squad -
1) We must play full-backs. We don't have the personnel either to play wing-backs or a back three. So it's four at the back.
2) We must NOT play one up front at home. We haven't got anybody who can play that role when the emphasis is on us to attack. So it's a 4-4-2 at home.
3) The wide men of the midfield four need to be able to get forward and put crosses in.
4) We can play a 4-4-2 away where we think we can get 3 points, or with two holding DMs because we'll be under more pressure and a point isn't a bad return.
So, making a silk purse out of a sow's ear, I'd go with
…………………...Butland
Smith...Collins....Batth…..BMI/Clucas
Ince/Edwards..Allen...Etebo...McClean/Verlinden
……...Hogan......Gregory
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 9:56:04 GMT
Butland
Edwards Collins Indi Smith
Ince Allen Etebo Verlinden
Gregory Campbell
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Post by philb on Sept 2, 2019 10:00:00 GMT
Butland Edwards Collins Indi Smith Ince Allen Etebo Verlinden Gregory Campbell Verlinden looks like he’s off.
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Post by pistol on Sept 2, 2019 10:10:32 GMT
Some basic principles for picking a team from this squad - 1) We must play full-backs. We don't have the personnel either to play wing-backs or a back three. So it's four at the back. 2) We must NOT play one up front at home. We haven't got anybody who can play that role when the emphasis is on us to attack. So it's a 4-4-2 at home. 3) The wide men of the midfield four need to be able to get forward and put crosses in. 4) We can play a 4-4-2 away where we think we can get 3 points, or with two holding DMs because we'll be under more pressure and a point isn't a bad return. So, making a silk purse out of a sow's ear, I'd go with …………………...Butland Smith...Collins....Batth…..BMI/Clucas Ince/Edwards..Allen...Etebo...McClean/Verlinden ……...Hogan......Gregory The two games we have ‘won’ were with 3 at the back
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Post by emery1985 on Sept 2, 2019 10:12:51 GMT
The U23’s are doing pretty well aren’t they?
All of them.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 2, 2019 10:17:47 GMT
Got to be mad not to include lindsay in a 2. He is a genuine threat from set pieces. 4231
Federici
Edwards Batth Lindsay Clucas
Etebo Woods
Ince Duffy McLean
Gregory/hogan
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 10:17:54 GMT
The problem is we are absolutely hamstrung by not having a proper left back and not having any creative players.
If we go 4 at the back we are exposed as we don't have the quality. Teams can just let us have the ball as we don't do anything with it. They allow us to stretch ourselves because of this and then counter that and invariably score.
We are more suited to three at the back but, if we play that, we can effectively only play one holding central midfielder otherwise we are left with not alot going forward.
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Post by cransonshead on Sept 2, 2019 10:20:13 GMT
Davies Edward's batth Collins Clucas Ince woods etebo verlinden Campbell Gregory
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Post by drmantistoboggan on Sept 2, 2019 10:37:49 GMT
Butland Edwards
Collins BMI Clucas
Woods/Cousins Etebo
Ince Powell Verlinden
Vokes/Gregory/Campbell
OR
Butland
Collins CCV BMI
Edwards Clucas
Woods Etebo Powell
Gregory Campbell
2 midfielders sitting in and a fit Powell are crucial with our current personnel.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 2, 2019 10:41:11 GMT
3-4-1-2 for me
Butland
Collins CCV Bruno
Edwards Etebo Woods McClean
Duffy/Powell
Hogan Campbell
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Post by musik on Sept 2, 2019 10:42:33 GMT
I'd start with the ladies team and take it from there. McCoy is splendid! Can we borrow her?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 2, 2019 10:44:45 GMT
Butland
Smith Collins Batth Edwards
Etebo. Woods
Ince. Powell. Gregory
Hogan
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Post by chumley on Sept 2, 2019 11:11:22 GMT
But land Edwards Ba’ath, BMI,ward Ince etebo Allen clucks Gregory vokes
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Post by saidothegoalmachine on Sept 2, 2019 11:47:50 GMT
Federici Edwards Collins Martins Indi Clucas
Etebo Ndiaye
Verlinden Powell Ince
Campbell
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 2, 2019 12:08:55 GMT
Federici Edwards Collins Batth Lindsay McClean Woods Etebo Clucas Ince Gregory
A sort of 5Diamond1 rather than 4Diamond2
I don't get how anyone can include Butland - he's been personally culpable for about half our losses and his awful form is affecting the confidence of the defence. The fact he is so many teams is a perfect example of why fans should not pick teams - they are far too influenced by non footballing prejudices.
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 2, 2019 12:29:34 GMT
Some basic principles for picking a team from this squad - 1) We must play full-backs. We don't have the personnel either to play wing-backs or a back three. So it's four at the back. 2) We must NOT play one up front at home. We haven't got anybody who can play that role when the emphasis is on us to attack. So it's a 4-4-2 at home. 3) The wide men of the midfield four need to be able to get forward and put crosses in. 4) We can play a 4-4-2 away where we think we can get 3 points, or with two holding DMs because we'll be under more pressure and a point isn't a bad return. So, making a silk purse out of a sow's ear, I'd go with …………………...Butland Smith...Collins....Batth…..BMI/Clucas Ince/Edwards..Allen...Etebo...McClean/Verlinden ……...Hogan......Gregory The two games we have ‘won’ were with 3 at the back And the many games we've lost were with wing-backs.
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 2, 2019 12:43:52 GMT
Back four is suicide with our lack of holding midfielders, have to play a back three for that reason. We have fuck all wingers too, so I think wingbacks instead and a front two makes more sense. We could have the versatility of playing an attacking mid in home games, a 5-2-1-2. For away or tougher games we could play a 5-1-2-2 and take off the number 10 and pop someone covering Etebo and Clucas. Butland Collins - Baath - BMI Edwards - Etebo - Clucas - McClean Powell Gregory - Hogan As long as you include in Campbell in a any 2 from 3 equation upfront i would agree
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Post by ceejays on Sept 2, 2019 14:23:03 GMT
Id first of all play same system till end of season. 3 5 2 then play Butland Edwards. collins batth Bruno Clucas Etebo Powell Badou vokes Hogan. Subs Davies Campbell woods Allen Lindsay Gregory ince. (No place for McClean Smith Federici ward cousins Duffy vickers)collins captain. He’s going to have to upset a few. At the moment he’s trying to keep everyone happy and that ain’t going work.same system same team an no Allen Ince McClean!!!!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 2, 2019 14:52:48 GMT
1) Something solid but attacking with width. I know Duffy might not be the man for that but McClean is just bad at attacking
Butland
Edwards Collins Vickers Clucas
Woods Etebo
Duffy Ince
Gregory Campbell 2) If he has to go with his diamond (not sure if Powell and Duffy are both a bit floaty for the same team but ability wise)... I don't think we have the CM's to play with a diamond TBPHButland Edwards Collins Vickers Clucas Woods Etebo Powell Duffy Gregory Campbell That front two may not work but surely one combination of the strikers we have should work. The option of Vokes, Hogan, Campbell and Gregory should be more than enough at this level to get a combination working.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 2, 2019 14:55:46 GMT
Id first of all play same system till end of season. 3 5 2 then play Butland Edwards. collins batth Bruno Clucas Etebo Powell Badou vokes Hogan. Subs Davies Campbell woods Allen Lindsay Gregory ince. (No place for McClean Smith Federici ward cousins Duffy vickers)collins captain. He’s going to have to upset a few. At the moment he’s trying to keep everyone happy and that ain’t going work.same system same team an no Allen Ince McClean!!!! Butland is woefully out if form and Badou and BMI want out. Ince has looked sharp on occasion and McClean, despite his limitations, has been one of our most effective and consistent players so far. I don't get your thinking. However I do agree we look more solid with 5 at the back as it puts less pressure on Edwards and McClean both of whom are learning their roles as attacking wingbacks and are a bit dodgy defensively.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 2, 2019 14:58:42 GMT
Has anybody even picked Allen yet?
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Post by GallysGuitar on Sept 2, 2019 16:07:41 GMT
Butland
Edwards BMI Collins Clucas
Woods
Badou Etebo
Powell
Gregory Campbell
4-1-2-1-2
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