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Post by mcw on Sept 14, 2019 19:18:17 GMT
He knows sweet FA as denoted by the “could”- is he hasn’t got a scooby. If a manager gets sacked after a game like that then we deserve everything we get. He should have been sacked two weeks ago. He ain’t going anywhere soon so strap yourself in. Whether he should or shouldn’t be there is another question, but to sack him after today’s performance would be ridiculous- next time they play below that level though and yes curtains. The players have to play and sweat blood and tears to save him basically
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Post by mcw on Sept 14, 2019 19:18:58 GMT
March without Shawcross there’s not a dominant centre half at the club The manager is allowed to coach players. At Plymouth, Paul Wooton said he learned more from TP in 20 mins than he had learned from all his other coaches over the previous 14 years. Must be bloody thick then- head ball, hoof it.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 14, 2019 19:19:10 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if we've given nj permission to pursue the Lincoln interest we get a little compo and it looks like it's a mutual agreement to let him go.
Clearly not working, and the more we get cut adrift at the bottom, 3 years of losing is it going to all of a sudden change and springboard back up the table, this is a survival contest now nothing more , nothing less.
Would have a big word with hughton or javi Gracia, whatever the coates know it will cost but it'll make up for the complete shambles of appointed managers over the last 3 years
Chopper do you know if weve had conversations with anyone else?? Have we tempted harry Redknapp out on his car yet?
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Post by robrigo on Sept 14, 2019 19:20:41 GMT
He should have been sacked two weeks ago. He ain’t going anywhere soon so strap yourself in. Whether he should or shouldn’t be there is another question, but to sack him after today’s performance would be ridiculous- next time they play below that level though and yes curtains. The players have to play and sweat blood and tears to save him basically If he was sacked tonight it wouldn’t be based on today’s performance. It would be based on his record which has been a complete and utter disaster. He’s right up there with Kamara, Bates, Ball and Little. He’s got to go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:21:28 GMT
He should have been sacked two weeks ago. He ain’t going anywhere soon so strap yourself in. Whether he should or shouldn’t be there is another question, but to sack him after today’s performance would be ridiculous- next time they play below that level though and yes curtains. The players have to play and sweat blood and tears to save him basically It’s only ridiculous because he should have gone two weeks ago and then something like today happens and we’re playing with 10 men so there’s a reason to feel sorry for him but it doesn’t change anything. Yes today probably wasn’t his fault but we shouldn’t even be in a position where we can’t afford a game like to today with the red card and the ref. That is on him. More changes is again on him. An unsettled formation is also on him. Today changes nothing.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 14, 2019 19:22:34 GMT
March without Shawcross there’s not a dominant centre half at the club The manager is allowed to coach players. At Plymouth, Paul Wooton said he learned more from TP in 20 mins than he had learned from all his other coaches over the previous 14 years. What did he teach him? "Paul, you hoof ball. Ball go on head, run lots, shout for caveman Jon, score goal, defend 0-0 when at other caveman stadium, produce documents from underpants to blackmail owner of club."
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Post by mcw on Sept 14, 2019 19:23:58 GMT
He ain’t going anywhere soon so strap yourself in. Whether he should or shouldn’t be there is another question, but to sack him after today’s performance would be ridiculous- next time they play below that level though and yes curtains. The players have to play and sweat blood and tears to save him basically It’s only ridiculous because he should have gone two weeks ago and then something like today happens and we’re playing with 10 men so there’s a reason to feel sorry for him but it doesn’t change anything. Yes today probably wasn’t his fault but we shouldn’t even be in a position where we can’t afford a game like to today with the red card and the ref. That is on him. More changes is again on him. An unsettled formation is also on him. Today changes nothing. It doesn’t you are right- it buys him one more game because today the result was dictated by the total incompetence of the ref- he was beyond abject.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2019 19:26:15 GMT
Not a chance he’ll go before Brentford l think first review will be post Huddersfield sadly he will be missing Allen for 3 of those
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Post by BuzzB on Sept 14, 2019 19:27:17 GMT
The manager is allowed to coach players. At Plymouth, Paul Wooton said he learned more from TP in 20 mins than he had learned from all his other coaches over the previous 14 years. What did he teach him? "Paul, you hoof ball. Ball go on head, run lots, shout for caveman Jon, score goal, defend 0-0 when at other caveman stadium, produce documents from underpants to blackmail owner of club." Pulis doesn't coach players, he has no idea what to do with a flair player. He collects old pros who know their job and organises them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:29:06 GMT
What did he teach him? "Paul, you hoof ball. Ball go on head, run lots, shout for caveman Jon, score goal, defend 0-0 when at other caveman stadium, produce documents from underpants to blackmail owner of club." Pulis doesn't coach players, he has no idea what to do with a flair player. He collects old pros who know their job and organises them. And we’ve got a load of old pros who need to know their job and be organised... 🤔
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 14, 2019 19:30:17 GMT
What did he teach him? "Paul, you hoof ball. Ball go on head, run lots, shout for caveman Jon, score goal, defend 0-0 when at other caveman stadium, produce documents from underpants to blackmail owner of club." Pulis doesn't coach players, he has no idea what to do with a flair player. He collects old pros who know their job and organises them. He'll be having Joe Allen taking magic beans to get him to pre-requisite 6ft 7in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:30:48 GMT
March without Shawcross there’s not a dominant centre half at the club The manager is allowed to coach players. At Plymouth, Paul Wooton said he learned more from TP in 20 mins than he had learned from all his other coaches over the previous 14 years. What did he learn? That the pitch is split into 12 zones and what to do with the ball when it is in each one of those zones? Who should run where and who should pass where x number of times out of ten? When the ball is in zone number 2 or 5 the furthest forward striker has to run the angles and the ball has to be pumped over his head? In case you're wondering, yes, i've seen TP coach many times.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:30:56 GMT
It’s only ridiculous because he should have gone two weeks ago and then something like today happens and we’re playing with 10 men so there’s a reason to feel sorry for him but it doesn’t change anything. Yes today probably wasn’t his fault but we shouldn’t even be in a position where we can’t afford a game like to today with the red card and the ref. That is on him. More changes is again on him. An unsettled formation is also on him. Today changes nothing. It doesn’t you are right- it buys him one more game because today the result was dictated by the total incompetence of the ref- he was beyond abject. I feel like you’re just prolonging the one inevitable. They should have just bitten the bullet. It’s going to be another six points out of our grasp even if it’s just one more game all because they didn’t just pull the trigger last week.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 14, 2019 19:35:17 GMT
The manager is allowed to coach players. At Plymouth, Paul Wooton said he learned more from TP in 20 mins than he had learned from all his other coaches over the previous 14 years. What did he learn? That the pitch is split into 12 zones and what to do with the ball when it is in each one of those zones? Who should run where and who should pass where x number of times out of ten? When the ball is in zone number 2 or 5 the furthest forward striker has to run the angles and the ball has to be pumped over his head? In case you're wondering, yes, i've seen TP coach many times. That's disciplined but fuck me senseless how fucking boring is that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:36:32 GMT
What did he learn? That the pitch is split into 12 zones and what to do with the ball when it is in each one of those zones? Who should run where and who should pass where x number of times out of ten? When the ball is in zone number 2 or 5 the furthest forward striker has to run the angles and the ball has to be pumped over his head? In case you're wondering, yes, i've seen TP coach many times. That's disciplined but fuck me senseless how fucking boring is that? I thought it was hilarious. If I was a player i'd be laughing all the way to the bank. Paid thousands of pounds per week for playing percentage football. Money for old rope.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 14, 2019 19:39:56 GMT
That's disciplined but fuck me senseless how fucking boring is that? I thought it was hilarious. If I was a player i'd be laughing all the way to the bank. Paid thousands of pounds per week for playing percentage football. Money for old rope. That's the easiest football you could ever be told to play. An easy £40,000 odd a week to sit in a zone and hoof it. I'll do it tomorrow if I could!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 14, 2019 19:43:05 GMT
Nobody can say they arnt playing for the manager, we have had some stinking rotten luck, it has to change sometime. If jones was sacked it risks demotivating our best players who are clearly putting it in for jones. Ndiaye could be massive for Jones' scfc future. He looks a class above and everything we have been missing.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 14, 2019 19:45:44 GMT
To truly get out of this hole we’d need to win 10 in a row, this will not happen because if we were to win he’d change it because he has to keep a squad of three teams happy.
He earnt the sack a while back and has shown nothing to deserve anymore time. Annoyingly we’re where we were when Rowett was booted, an oversized, overpaid, misshaped squad.
Jon Coates is absolutely killing us, none of the issues have not been addressed. Install a DoF to deliver a strategy.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 14, 2019 20:02:10 GMT
I’d give him 3 more games maximum. I’d give him a remit of seven points out of nine with a considerable improvement in performance ie not collapsing like a bunch of pussies if we concede and no more nonsense talk about scoring to early. And I’d like to see some evidence of having a settled side not changing 7 or 8 players each week. I would also like to see him have the courage of his convictions with regards to formation- are we going diamond or whatever. And finally I would like to see some tactical nouse during the game. I want all of that in the next three games because he’s got the future of our club in his hands. Idealistic I know but that’s what I want. 😂 To all those saying give him 3 games...2 after today. Statistically we are down if we lose the next two (based on history). So should we really be giving him even one more game?
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Post by robrigo on Sept 14, 2019 20:03:31 GMT
I’d give him 3 more games maximum. I’d give him a remit of seven points out of nine with a considerable improvement in performance ie not collapsing like a bunch of pussies if we concede and no more nonsense talk about scoring to early. And I’d like to see some evidence of having a settled side not changing 7 or 8 players each week. I would also like to see him have the courage of his convictions with regards to formation- are we going diamond or whatever. And finally I would like to see some tactical nouse during the game. I want all of that in the next three games because he’s got the future of our club in his hands. Idealistic I know but that’s what I want. 😂 To all those saying give him 3 games...2 after today. Statistically we are down if we lose the next two (based on history). So should we really be giving him even one more game? I’ve changed my mind. I want him gone now. It’s not working is it?
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Post by march4 on Sept 14, 2019 20:12:01 GMT
The manager is allowed to coach players. At Plymouth, Paul Wooton said he learned more from TP in 20 mins than he had learned from all his other coaches over the previous 14 years. Must be bloody thick then- head ball, hoof it. More than our last 4 managers could manage.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 14, 2019 20:17:00 GMT
Must be bloody thick then- head ball, hoof it. More than our last 4 managers could manage. TP really deserves more credit for his defensive astuteness. He's brilliant at it, and clearly has his methods. Have you seen any inclination that Jones has any method at all apart from his "scatter gun" approach and hope things are right? There's a reason we got up in the face of many opponents under TP. He's ruthless, his teams often resemble that. Sometimes simple, yes, but defensively solid. I want us to be solid again.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 14, 2019 20:27:46 GMT
Not sure why Chopper would come & say that then not elaborate.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 14, 2019 20:30:42 GMT
Not sure why Chopper would come & say that then not elaborate. Christ I hope hes so right, hes usually spot on and doesnt normally come on just to chit chat. The only thing I want to hear out of that bloody club now is that nathan Jones has been sacked by stoke city. Please stoke, I'm sending out an sos. I cant take this anymore
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Post by stokesupporter on Sept 14, 2019 20:44:37 GMT
I don't think Jones is gone just yet. Its plausible though that there has been conversations before the match that he would be a goner if we lose. But the way we lost today might give him yet another game or two.
I wouldn't give him a sack just yet either because today was the first time that gave me an impression that he's now starting to get his pieces to the right places.
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Post by Gunslinger on Sept 14, 2019 20:49:37 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if we've given nj permission to pursue the Lincoln interest we get a little compo and it looks like it's a mutual agreement to let him go. Clearly not working, and the more we get cut adrift at the bottom, 3 years of losing is it going to all of a sudden change and springboard back up the table, this is a survival contest now nothing more , nothing less. Would have a big word with hughton or javi Gracia, whatever the coates know it will cost but it'll make up for the complete shambles of appointed managers over the last 3 years Chopper do you know if weve had conversations with anyone else?? Have we tempted harry Redknapp out on his car yet? The Lincoln-link is very interesting. It obviously doesn’t work out well for him at SCFC and NJ leaving for Lincoln would be beneficial for both us and him. He has to forfeit a bit of cash but will leave “voluntarily” and not having the stigma of being sacked attached to him. Perhaps some sort of compensation from us could persuade him? The big question is what he favors: money or his reputation.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 14, 2019 20:50:02 GMT
Come on Chopper, enlighten us.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 14, 2019 21:07:29 GMT
If you look at NJ interview I think he knows he's a goner.
He's more or less saying its all out of his hands now, which suggests he was given today to come up with a result.
Joe Allen might have just saved him for another day.
The only people hoping he stays are Brentford FC who will be rubbing their hands.
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Post by callas12 on Sept 14, 2019 21:07:32 GMT
Randomly and out of nowhere earlier after the game It came into my mind that if Jones does leave us, Peter Coates may be lining a certain Martin O'Neil up to replace him 🙄! Sure he's been linked in the past, he's unemployed right now and he'd likely be someone Coates would go for as a 'safe' pair of hands! Hope my premonition remains just that, but havent seen him linked anywhere & sure he'd be there or there abouts in Coates thoughts & plans If we do choose on a change In direction..
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 14, 2019 21:09:27 GMT
Randomly and out of nowhere earlier after the game It came into my mind that if Jones does leave us, Peter Coates may be lining a certain Martin O'Neil up to replace him 🙄! Sure he's been linked in the past, he's unemployed right now and he'd likely be someone Coates would go for as a 'safe' pair of hands! Hope my premonition remains just that, but havent seen him linked anywhere & sure he'd be there or there abouts in Coates thoughts & plans If we do choose on a change In direction.. I hope to Christ you’re wrong mate😮
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