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Post by RAF on Sept 17, 2019 12:50:59 GMT
Unlike a manager who is out of work you mean? Now that is Special. It's hardly random, just another example of you talking bollocks sunshine. If it's too hard for you to understand I was alluding to things well documented. H Speaking of things well documented, are you gonna fly out to China to see your hero play? Apart from him going to China, what is well documented about that? Certainly nothing from me suggesting I would go and watch him at another club. He's a good player who had we kept we wouldn't be where we are now, but he hasn't got hero status. My hero is Jimmy Greenhoff closely followed by George Berry. How were the Hawthorns and the Riverside? H
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2019 13:33:09 GMT
One game at least?
What if we win by a narrow 1-0 away, but playing really bad? Scoring on our only shot on target.
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Post by mcw on Sept 17, 2019 13:42:29 GMT
It's a weird one, in so much as the performances this season have not been that bad- Preston apart which was an aberration. I thought that performance alone might have been enough to seal it. However since then we have not really been taken to the cleaners and on Saturday there were positive signs in the performance, but we still keep losing. It feels to me that it could turn, we just need a 1-0 from a deflected goal in a game we shouldn't have won to spark something- but will it happen, each game you think maybe and then hopes are dashed. How long can you keep hoping? A couple of bad performances and 2/3 nil drubbings would be the end, but instead we keep pluckily staying in games and giving everyone food for thought. I suppose eventually, maybe at the next international break, if things continue in the same vain that all emotion will be removed from the equation and he will be gone. No offence mcw, but I don't see how some people can think we're just one win away from ripping up the league??? All we need is one....just ONE team to play shit against us, and we somehow manage to pull off a 1-0 win, then there'll be no stopping us!!! Yet until then, we can't even buy a win.....it's a delusional way of thinking, sorry!!! Don't disagree with you at all, I'm just saying that I feel slightly conflicted and I can't really put my finger on it. If I look at the results in the cold light of day it is a no-brainer. However it doesn't feel as though we are playing that badly, luck has deserted us and the crowd is generally staying with the team and the manager.
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 17, 2019 15:13:02 GMT
Can't actually see anything working anymore - to much shit going on for too long? At least if we brought a new bloke in then we'd be able to listen to a different kind of bollocks for while?
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Post by duckling on Sept 17, 2019 15:26:28 GMT
Fuck me, the owners are comatose, aren't they? And to make things even shittier, the worse our record becomes, the harder it will be to attract anyone decent, player or manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 15:31:44 GMT
One game at least? What if we win by a narrow 1-0 away, but playing really bad? Scoring on our only shot on target. Open top bus parade
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2019 17:18:53 GMT
Conflicting reports about if Jones stays or if Hughton is being lined up, lord knows where the truth lies!! We are dilly dallying and going back and forth and will do so until its too late anyway...that is probably the only real truth here!
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Post by ohbottom on Sept 17, 2019 17:22:40 GMT
One game at least? What if we win by a narrow 1-0 away, but playing really bad? Scoring on our only shot on target. I would probably spaf my pants
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Post by upthefud on Sept 17, 2019 18:58:27 GMT
Speaking of things well documented, are you gonna fly out to China to see your hero play? Apart from him going to China, what is well documented about that? Certainly nothing from me suggesting I would go and watch him at another club. He's a good player who had we kept we wouldn't be where we are now, but he hasn't got hero status. My hero is Jimmy Greenhoff closely followed by George Berry. How were the Hawthorns and the Riverside? H I can’t speak for the Riverside as I haven’t been but the Hawthorns was pretty shit, I think we went from being unstoppable there to losing every game almost over night
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 17, 2019 19:06:12 GMT
One game at least? What if we win by a narrow 1-0 away, but playing really bad? Scoring on our only shot on target. Open top bus parade Nathans head would explode.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 17, 2019 19:10:36 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion the Coates shoukd make a statement that Jones is staying no matter what.
We may as well continue with this experiment and see where it ends up. Worst case scenario we get relegated and we have an expert in div 1 as our manager who will have had 18 months in charge.
Best case scenario he starts turning this around.
What do we have to lose?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 19:16:00 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion the Coates shoukd make a statement that Jones is staying no matter what. We may as well continue with this experiment and see where it ends up. Worst case scenario we get relegated and we have an expert in div 1 as our manager who will have had 18 months in charge. Best case scenario he starts turning this around. What do we have to lose? I suppose there's the people's jobs that will go, the funding for the academy, funding for the community trust...all the things that would likely have to go if we went down to League One with the players we have on the contracts/wages they are on and we've got no money anymore. It would a financial disaster. It's not quite just the fact they'd we'd have to go to some different grounds and watch worse football...
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 17, 2019 19:17:35 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion the Coates shoukd make a statement that Jones is staying no matter what. We may as well continue with this experiment and see where it ends up. Worst case scenario we get relegated and we have an expert in div 1 as our manager who will have had 18 months in charge. Best case scenario he starts turning this around. What do we have to lose? I suppose there's the people's jobs that will go, the funding for the academy, funding for the community trust...all the things that would likely have to go if we went down to League One with the players we have on the contracts/wages they are on and we've got no money anymore. It would a financial disaster. It's not quite just the fact they'd we'd have to go to some different grounds and watch worse football... Surely coates cpukx bank roll us as a season in division 1. Imagine spending 20m in div 1 should see us ping back up
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 17, 2019 19:19:15 GMT
If we lose at brentford we'll have lost 3 league games on the spin logically would make sense to change it after then in my opinion with the league cup tie on the Tuesday have Kevin Russell in caretaker charge for it and have the new manager in the stands watching on but I forgot the Coates Family don't do things the logical way. You are right. Logically, we wouldn't have appointed Jones. And had we made that one mistake, logically we would certainly have got rid of him at the end of least season when it became clear he couldn't spend 12m wisely, find a way to score goals, implement a system, coach or motivate. As Darren Gough said on Talk Shite yesterday, "Any other club, he'd have been sacked." This portrayal about a really shocking half of a season being part of some master vision was really a stunning piece of deception by Jones: Clearly his most impressive feat and skill. A manager who has said last season that it would be easy to get quick fix results, but that's not why he's here; and this he regrets we scored too early in a game. That's the logic going on at Stoke at the moment: The logic of people in complete denial about their failure.
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 17, 2019 19:19:48 GMT
I'm coming to the conclusion the Coates shoukd make a statement that Jones is staying no matter what. We may as well continue with this experiment and see where it ends up. Worst case scenario we get relegated and we have an expert in div 1 as our manager who will have had 18 months in charge. Best case scenario he starts turning this around. What do we have to lose? Got a horrible feeling that's the board's approach mate? Bit like having all your teeth out cos dentures are easier to look after?
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 17, 2019 19:25:15 GMT
Just feels like we've backed him. May as well persevere with the experiment. Getting another guy in just restarts the process. Presumably Jones has a long term plan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 19:26:31 GMT
I suppose there's the people's jobs that will go, the funding for the academy, funding for the community trust...all the things that would likely have to go if we went down to League One with the players we have on the contracts/wages they are on and we've got no money anymore. It would a financial disaster. It's not quite just the fact they'd we'd have to go to some different grounds and watch worse football... Surely coates cpukx bank roll us as a season in division 1. Imagine spending 20m in div 1 should see us ping back up FFP on top of an already bloated squad we can't sell....? I'm not sure it's as easy as they can just put money in anymore. Also do you trust them to spend money well? Given what they've spent about £70m in just over a year. It's not worked out well has it!
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Post by knowingeye on Sept 17, 2019 19:35:28 GMT
Presumably Jones has a long term plan. Apart from his bank account does this plan include Stoke City Football Club?
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2019 21:04:26 GMT
Just cannot see any reason for sticking with him, 1 point in 7 games FFS, not to mention his shocking record last season
The longer we stick with him, the more we are risking our Championship future, the board's lack of action is most concerning
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Post by karl on Sept 17, 2019 21:07:05 GMT
Just cannot see any reason for sticking with him, 1 point in 7 games FFS, not to mention his shocking record last season The longer we stick with him, the more we are risking our Championship future, the board's lack of action is most concerning Isn't the saying that you have an idea how the season is going after 10 games so I believe he has 3 more to prove he can turn it around.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 17, 2019 21:12:56 GMT
Just cannot see any reason for sticking with him, 1 point in 7 games FFS, not to mention his shocking record last season The longer we stick with him, the more we are risking our Championship future, the board's lack of action is most concerning Isn't the saying that you have an idea how the season is going after 10 games so I believe he has 3 more to prove he can turn it around. Sadly, those 3 games could be the difference between us staying up and going down at the end of the season The way things have gone it's quite conceivable that we could lose all 3
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 17, 2019 21:14:08 GMT
I suppose there's the people's jobs that will go, the funding for the academy, funding for the community trust...all the things that would likely have to go if we went down to League One with the players we have on the contracts/wages they are on and we've got no money anymore. It would a financial disaster. It's not quite just the fact they'd we'd have to go to some different grounds and watch worse football... Surely coates cpukx bank roll us as a season in division 1. Imagine spending 20m in div 1 should see us ping back up Wouldn't need to spend, we have a squad of division 1 players
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 17, 2019 21:19:06 GMT
I suppose there's the people's jobs that will go, the funding for the academy, funding for the community trust...all the things that would likely have to go if we went down to League One with the players we have on the contracts/wages they are on and we've got no money anymore. It would a financial disaster. It's not quite just the fact they'd we'd have to go to some different grounds and watch worse football... Surely coates cpukx bank roll us as a season in division 1. Imagine spending 20m in div 1 should see us ping back up Imagine spending £70million in the championship and pinging back up...
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Sept 17, 2019 21:35:08 GMT
tbh if we do fire him, I don't see us getting back to the prem for many years and it will almost certainly bannish us to a period down in the depths of the lower leagues.
If we persevere we can at least cling to the hope he knows what he is doing.
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Post by Davef on Sept 17, 2019 21:39:45 GMT
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 17, 2019 21:41:30 GMT
99.9 % of fans give him every bit of credit. He is without doubt one of our top 5 managers ever! HOWEVER, he’s past his “sell by” date and just like I don’t want to dig up Waddo and put him in charge, neither do I want TP back ever! Don’t confuse being appreciative of past service and wanting him back! Yes that's right, lets go for young hungry up and coming manager! Oh wait? Nothing but praise for Pulis for what he did but I don't want him back although a short term deal to steady the ship I could just about stomach.
Waddo was arguably our best manager ever. Unfortunately he reached his “sell by” date. I am forever grateful to him for delivering our one and only “major” trophy. Do I want him back? Never! Ditto for TP. I want our next contender for best manager ever, whoever that may be.
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Post by robrigo on Sept 17, 2019 21:55:02 GMT
This club always seems to procrastinate.
Surely, given his record, the departure of Jones is inevitable. Why the hell are we waiting?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 17, 2019 22:13:48 GMT
Let's give Arsene Wenger or Mourinho a fucking massive salary. Always wanted to see a big manager tested at a mediocre club and not one that's already established as a top 4 club in its country.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 18, 2019 5:08:20 GMT
Hughton knows this division well and is free now. I think it's a gamble to wait, make it happen!
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Post by Fred Ferret on Sept 18, 2019 7:15:44 GMT
Can't actually see anything working anymore - to much shit going on for too long? At least if we brought a new bloke in then we'd be able to listen to a different kind of bollocks for while? Nothing lasts forever. I feel we will plug a hole in the dam and get a result on Saturday. A win.
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