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Post by Fred Ferret on Sept 18, 2019 7:29:21 GMT
Surely coates cpukx bank roll us as a season in division 1. Imagine spending 20m in div 1 should see us ping back up FFP on top of an already bloated squad we can't sell....? I'm not sure it's as easy as they can just put money in anymore. Also do you trust them to spend money well? Given what they've spent about £70m in just over a year. It's not worked out well has it! FFP doesn’t have to actually kill us does it? The club has the funds to survive any financial penalty. Theoretically, we just ignore FFP and pay any fine, in whatever div we end up in. The only issue would be if there was a points penalty???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 7:36:54 GMT
FFP on top of an already bloated squad we can't sell....? I'm not sure it's as easy as they can just put money in anymore. Also do you trust them to spend money well? Given what they've spent about £70m in just over a year. It's not worked out well has it! FFP doesn’t have to actually kill us does it? The club has the funds to survive any financial penalty. Theoretically, we just ignore FFP and pay any fine, in whatever div we end up in. The only issue would be if there was a points penalty??? That’s a bit fucking issue though isn’t it if we’ve already been relegated! And would we just keep paying the fines every year. I imagine if we were doing on peurpose it wouldn’t be tap on the wrists.
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Post by RAF on Sept 18, 2019 7:49:49 GMT
Apart from him going to China, what is well documented about that? Certainly nothing from me suggesting I would go and watch him at another club. He's a good player who had we kept we wouldn't be where we are now, but he hasn't got hero status. My hero is Jimmy Greenhoff closely followed by George Berry. How were the Hawthorns and the Riverside? H I can’t speak for the Riverside as I haven’t been but the Hawthorns was pretty shit, I think we went from being unstoppable there to losing every game almost over night Yep, that is why he was sacked and Gary Megson took over temporarily before Pardew arrived. Glad you agree H
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Post by hstoke on Sept 18, 2019 7:56:32 GMT
It’s only September
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Post by upthefud on Sept 18, 2019 8:19:16 GMT
I can’t speak for the Riverside as I haven’t been but the Hawthorns was pretty shit, I think we went from being unstoppable there to losing every game almost over night Yep, that is why he was sacked and Gary Megson took over temporarily before Pardew arrived. Glad you agree H They've really pushed on since then haven't they... Who was our manager when we last won there?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 18, 2019 9:18:47 GMT
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Post by tosh on Sept 18, 2019 9:40:11 GMT
The last quote from the interview:
There has been no quick fix. Jones has been frank and when it was put to him that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.”
Does this make any sense? Did we really not expect an improvement in results when we swapped Jones for Rowett? Are we really in a better position whilst on course for League 1?
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 18, 2019 9:42:12 GMT
The last quote from the interview: There has been no quick fix. Jones has been frank and when it was put to him that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.” Does this make any sense? Did we really not expect an improvement in results when we swapped Jones for Rowett? Are we really in a better position? the squad is worse, in my opinion crazy to think we don't need better results.
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Post by RAF on Sept 18, 2019 12:28:35 GMT
Yep, that is why he was sacked and Gary Megson took over temporarily before Pardew arrived. Glad you agree H They've really pushed on since then haven't they... Who was our manager when we last won there? No they haven't due to the state they were left in by him. Bit like us after Hughes went mental. In answer to your question, not the same one who twatted Liverpool 6-1. On a similar note Middlesbrough haven't moved on with the help of the dossier have they? And they have one of the best and most loyal Chairmen in the the business. H
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 18, 2019 12:44:48 GMT
The last quote from the interview: There has been no quick fix. Jones has been frank and when it was put to him that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.” Does this make any sense? Did we really not expect an improvement in results when we swapped Jones for Rowett? Are we really in a better position whilst on course for League 1? Jones the walking talking contradiction! So he didn’t previously say promotion was the goal? He really is a Walter Mitty
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 18, 2019 12:51:41 GMT
The last quote from the interview: There has been no quick fix. Jones has been frank and when it was put to him that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.” Does this make any sense? Did we really not expect an improvement in results when we swapped Jones for Rowett? Are we really in a better position whilst on course for League 1? Jones the walking talking contradiction! So he didn’t previously say promotion was the goal? He really is a Walter Mitty Or... It wasn't results alone that persuaded the hierarchy. They wanted something more long term with a much wider and deeper changes, not a quick fix Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis type. Promotion is ultimately the aim, however we chose to reach that with a root and branch change to the entire set up and not parachute someone in to carry out a quick fix promotion. We want a philosophy and something more sustainable. Whether that has worked will be decided in the coming weeks as we may need to retort to a quick fix to stave off relegation should it not pick up, which I believe it will.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 18, 2019 12:57:18 GMT
Jones the walking talking contradiction! So he didn’t previously say promotion was the goal? He really is a Walter Mitty Or... It wasn't results alone that persuaded the hierarchy. They wanted something more long term with a much wider and deeper changes, not a quick fix Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis type. Promotion is ultimately the aim, however we chose to reach that with a root and branch change to the entire set up and not parachute someone in to carry out a quick fix promotion. We want a philosophy and something more sustainable. Whether that has worked will be decided in the coming weeks as we may need to retort to a quick fix to stave off relegation should it not pick up, which I believe it will. He’s inconsistent and contradictory with his comments, his credibility is shot. You can’t trust a leader that doesn’t follow his own pronouncements. He’s a goner!
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 18, 2019 13:15:55 GMT
Or... It wasn't results alone that persuaded the hierarchy. They wanted something more long term with a much wider and deeper changes, not a quick fix Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis type. Promotion is ultimately the aim, however we chose to reach that with a root and branch change to the entire set up and not parachute someone in to carry out a quick fix promotion. We want a philosophy and something more sustainable. Whether that has worked will be decided in the coming weeks as we may need to retort to a quick fix to stave off relegation should it not pick up, which I believe it will. He’s inconsistent and contradictory with his comments, his credibility is shot. You can’t trust a leader that doesn’t follow his own pronouncements. He’s a goner! Or ultimately for the club it was a win win, they have their man for division 1 and hes the cheapest option .why should the club change the penny pinching habits that have crippled us over the last 2 years
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 18, 2019 13:24:12 GMT
Or... It wasn't results alone that persuaded the hierarchy. They wanted something more long term with a much wider and deeper changes, not a quick fix Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis type. Promotion is ultimately the aim, however we chose to reach that with a root and branch change to the entire set up and not parachute someone in to carry out a quick fix promotion. We want a philosophy and something more sustainable. Whether that has worked will be decided in the coming weeks as we may need to retort to a quick fix to stave off relegation should it not pick up, which I believe it will. He’s inconsistent and contradictory with his comments, his credibility is shot. You can’t trust a leader that doesn’t follow his own pronouncements. He’s a goner! Win this weekend and he most certainly isn't It's then onto Crawley, If he gets 7-12 points out of the next 4, the turn around will be well under way, 4-6, his job will be likely safe but the arguments will still be there. Anything less I think we will be forced to act unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 13:31:29 GMT
He’s inconsistent and contradictory with his comments, his credibility is shot. You can’t trust a leader that doesn’t follow his own pronouncements. He’s a goner! Win this weekend and he most certainly isn't It's then onto Crawley, If he gets 7-12 points out of the next 4, the turn around will be well under way, 4-6, his job will be likely safe but the arguments will still be there. Anything less I think we will be forced to act unfortunately. There’s absolutely nothing that points towards that happening though.
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 18, 2019 14:13:45 GMT
Win this weekend and he most certainly isn't It's then onto Crawley, If he gets 7-12 points out of the next 4, the turn around will be well under way, 4-6, his job will be likely safe but the arguments will still be there. Anything less I think we will be forced to act unfortunately. There’s absolutely nothing that points towards that happening though. Nope, nothing other than faith in this work he is doing based off some of our displays including against Bristol City, hope that it won't end up in relegation and optimism because fuck me its depressing at the moment.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 18, 2019 15:35:08 GMT
The last quote from the interview: There has been no quick fix. Jones has been frank and when it was put to him that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.” Does this make any sense? Did we really not expect an improvement in results when we swapped Jones for Rowett? Are we really in a better position whilst on course for League 1? Jones the walking talking contradiction! So he didn’t previously say promotion was the goal? He really is a Walter Mitty He makes it sound like we were looking for a Director of Football rather than a manager! Maybe we should just send NJ upstairs into Carto's position and appoint Hughton pronto.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 18, 2019 21:01:53 GMT
Jones the walking talking contradiction! So he didn’t previously say promotion was the goal? He really is a Walter Mitty Or... It wasn't results alone that persuaded the hierarchy. They wanted something more long term with a much wider and deeper changes, not a quick fix Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis type. Promotion is ultimately the aim, however we chose to reach that with a root and branch change to the entire set up and not parachute someone in to carry out a quick fix promotion. We want a philosophy and something more sustainable. Whether that has worked will be decided in the coming weeks as we may need to retort to a quick fix to stave off relegation should it not pick up, which I believe it will. Based on absolutely nothing but a thought. I'm sorry, this guy just repeats everything he has said veggie and showed no signs of having a clue. I hope it does pick up, but 2 more games and it's curtains. Even then it has to go on, win one and it has to be the next 5, win another and we have to look at a win % of around 35-40%? It's just not going to happen is it? Just to stay up.
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Post by march4 on Sept 18, 2019 21:13:35 GMT
Can't actually see anything working anymore - to much shit going on for too long? At least if we brought a new bloke in then we'd be able to listen to a different kind of bollocks for while? Nothing lasts forever. I feel we will plug a hole in the dam and get a result on Saturday. A win. How? We concede at least two goals every game and we haven’t scored three goals in a game since before Lott’s wife thought it was a good idea to look behind.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 18, 2019 21:44:50 GMT
Just cannot see any reason for sticking with him, 1 point in 7 games FFS, not to mention his shocking record last season The longer we stick with him, the more we are risking our Championship future, the board's lack of action is most concerning Isn't the saying that you have an idea how the season is going after 10 games so I believe he has 3 more to prove he can turn it around. We've lost the last 4 league games on the spin, it's been 200 days since our last home win and our worst start to a season in a century and you think he should be given 3 more games?! Are you in cloud cuckoo land along with the owners?? This manager needs handing his P45 and fucked off ASAP I can't believe people are still pining to give this guy time! Any other club he'd be out on his arse. I admire clubs that don't care what other people think about the way they run thier club if they sense the slightest whiff of danger they bring down the axe! Not us though we dither while Rome is burning.
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 19, 2019 0:11:25 GMT
So, sorry for the long shit post but I Conner sleep but hopefully this rant will help other nod off when reading it!
He has to go, I like the guy and the couple of games Charlie pulled the strings from midfield gave me real hope! However the errors have stacked up now and the guy is faltering and fading VERY quickly. His fuck ups are:
Line Ups and tactical nouse Far too many changes. Fuck all consistency. None. NEVER A PLAN B....EVER! Subs are as bad as Rowett’s. Changes formation ALL THE TIME. You’re either a believer in the diamond or you’re not. This chopping and changing is helping no one Nath.
Bombed out players after his fuck up! Derby game, we all saw us batter a very poor team. Loads of chances and the start of something? NO. I know I will rip up the playbook and start over!?? WTF? Two gaffs later, from a Keeper who saved us a point with an excellent 1 on 1 save, and Jack is castigated along with Allen, who in all honesty did what he always does and he throws players publicly under the bus.
Campbell The lad has a mint pre season. He’s on a high and has been used extensively. His morale is good and he is up for it! He has to start!??? Doesn’t he? No, instead start the first game of the season with two similar players in Afobe and Vokes. The latter you could be forgiven for thinking he wasn’t on the pitch but after a good first half he takes the wrong striker off. Then, just a few days later he is happy enough to let the very FIRST CHOICE STRIKER leave the club for the season that you decided was better to start ahead of the young lad that was on fire?!? What fucking kind of message does that send?
Left Back/Wingback McClean isn’t either. Ward was, he isn’t now. Tymon can play there but the lad hasn’t been given the chance and instead we sign a 34 as back up to our 30 year old...
Defence I don’t mind Lindsay but he isn’t top of the Championship calibre. Shouldn’t have signed him. CCV not tall enough, gets beat in the air by wingers. Poor use of a loan spot. Worst CB loan since Paul Williams. Batth bang average at best, mid Championship limited player. Collins, the lad is being COMPLETELY mismanaged. Woefully in fact. Considering our weakness there I am amazed he somehow thinks it a good idea to play three of them!!!! Smith seems to be going backwards under Nath’s tutoring. A very average signing at best. No better than Edwards at all.
Middle Cousins...I’m convinced he’s won a competition. The fact owd Nath bulled him up so so much is a damning example of his poor judgement of a player’s ability. Clucas, he may be able to “strike” a good ball but he does fuck all else. Clucas is Nath’s blind spot. Adds nothing to the middle of the park, can find a pass about as well as Nathan could find a brothel.
Vokes Very poor signing that simply was a huge waste of money. The opposite of the player Nath promised we would be seeing him acquire...well that can be said of all his signings really.
Hogan On the face of it he seems ok. Lacks pace though and on balance it was yet another signing that we didn’t need to make.
Powell Did any of us think he would be fit consistently?
Verlinden Powell’s fitness alone makes his loan move utterly moronic! Don’t even mention Bojan!?!?
Duffy Couldn’t lace Charlie’s boots although he is fatter than him. If anyone can explain to me just how or why we can sign an unfit soon to be 34 year old who doesn’t fit into any system that Jones plays yet release a soon to be 34 Charlie Adam who made the diamond work I would be grateful!
I could go on and on but enough is enough. Time to go, Taxi for Mr Jones.
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Post by upthefud on Sept 19, 2019 0:52:00 GMT
They've really pushed on since then haven't they... Who was our manager when we last won there? No they haven't due to the state they were left in by him. Bit like us after Hughes went mental. In answer to your question, not the same one who twatted Liverpool 6-1. On a similar note Middlesbrough haven't moved on with the help of the dossier have they? And they have one of the best and most loyal Chairmen in the the business. H Glad you agree it wasn't by the same manager who beat Liverpool 6-1. It was by the same manager who won an FA Cup semi final 5-0 Pulis' last two years were pretty shit, however the 'mess' he left us included: Butland Wilko Shawcross Huth Whelan N'Zonzi Walters Crouch. I'd love to be back in a mess like that. It's much less messy than Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula and Wollschied wouldn't you agree?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 19, 2019 7:29:16 GMT
FFP on top of an already bloated squad we can't sell....? I'm not sure it's as easy as they can just put money in anymore. Also do you trust them to spend money well? Given what they've spent about £70m in just over a year. It's not worked out well has it! FFP doesn’t have to actually kill us does it? The club has the funds to survive any financial penalty. Theoretically, we just ignore FFP and pay any fine, in whatever div we end up in. The only issue would be if there was a points penalty??? The club does not have the funds - Bet365 have the funds to bankroll the club - IF IT CHOOSES TO. But why should they keep pumping money into Stoke City Football Club? Why not just pile up a mountain of used fivers on Longton Park and have a massive bonfire? The issue isn't IF we have a points penalty, The issue is we WOULD have a points penalty. Which would either mean getting relegated or missing out on promotion. Other than that - great idea.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 19, 2019 9:03:48 GMT
So, sorry for the long shit post but I Conner sleep but hopefully this rant will help other nod off when reading it! He has to go, I like the guy and the couple of games Charlie pulled the strings from midfield gave me real hope! However the errors have stacked up now and the guy is faltering and fading VERY quickly. His fuck ups are: Line Ups and tactical nouse Far too many changes. Fuck all consistency. None. NEVER A PLAN B....EVER! Subs are as bad as Rowett’s. Changes formation ALL THE TIME. You’re either a believer in the diamond or you’re not. This chopping and changing is helping no one Nath. Bombed out players after his fuck up! Derby game, we all saw us batter a very poor team. Loads of chances and the start of something? NO. I know I will rip up the playbook and start over!?? WTF? Two gaffs later, from a Keeper who saved us a point with an excellent 1 on 1 save, and Jack is castigated along with Allen, who in all honesty did what he always does and he throws players publicly under the bus. Campbell The lad has a mint pre season. He’s on a high and has been used extensively. His morale is good and he is up for it! He has to start!??? Doesn’t he? No, instead start the first game of the season with two similar players in Afobe and Vokes. The latter you could be forgiven for thinking he wasn’t on the pitch but after a good first half he takes the wrong striker off. Then, just a few days later he is happy enough to let the very FIRST CHOICE STRIKER leave the club for the season that you decided was better to start ahead of the young lad that was on fire?!? What fucking kind of message does that send? Left Back/Wingback McClean isn’t either. Ward was, he isn’t now. Tymon can play there but the lad hasn’t been given the chance and instead we sign a 34 as back up to our 30 year old... Defence I don’t mind Lindsay but he isn’t top of the Championship calibre. Shouldn’t have signed him. CCV not tall enough, gets beat in the air by wingers. Poor use of a loan spot. Worst CB loan since Paul Williams. Batth bang average at best, mid Championship limited player. Collins, the lad is being COMPLETELY mismanaged. Woefully in fact. Considering our weakness there I am amazed he somehow thinks it a good idea to play three of them!!!! Smith seems to be going backwards under Nath’s tutoring. A very average signing at best. No better than Edwards at all. Middle Cousins...I’m convinced he’s won a competition. The fact owd Nath bulled him up so so much is a damning example of his poor judgement of a player’s ability. Clucas, he may be able to “strike” a good ball but he does fuck all else. Clucas is Nath’s blind spot. Adds nothing to the middle of the park, can find a pass about as well as Nathan could find a brothel. Vokes Very poor signing that simply was a huge waste of money. The opposite of the player Nath promised we would be seeing him acquire...well that can be said of all his signings really. Hogan On the face of it he seems ok. Lacks pace though and on balance it was yet another signing that we didn’t need to make. Powell Did any of us think he would be fit consistently? Verlinden Powell’s fitness alone makes his loan move utterly moronic! Don’t even mention Bojan!?!? Duffy Couldn’t lace Charlie’s boots although he is fatter than him. If anyone can explain to me just how or why we can sign an unfit soon to be 34 year old who doesn’t fit into any system that Jones plays yet release a soon to be 34 Charlie Adam who made the diamond work I would be grateful! I could go on and on but enough is enough. Time to go, Taxi for Mr Jones. So, if Charlie Adam, that paragon of fitness, had stayed, it would all be alright. Yeah, of course it would. With everything else, you've just stated the bleeding obvious. You need to take a step back and suggest how we might get out of this mess rather than trotting out the same old complaints most others have. We're sending ourselves into a spiral of depression which is self-fulfilling.
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 19, 2019 9:32:55 GMT
So, sorry for the long shit post but I Conner sleep but hopefully this rant will help other nod off when reading it! He has to go, I like the guy and the couple of games Charlie pulled the strings from midfield gave me real hope! However the errors have stacked up now and the guy is faltering and fading VERY quickly. His fuck ups are: Line Ups and tactical nouse Far too many changes. Fuck all consistency. None. NEVER A PLAN B....EVER! Subs are as bad as Rowett’s. Changes formation ALL THE TIME. You’re either a believer in the diamond or you’re not. This chopping and changing is helping no one Nath. Bombed out players after his fuck up! Derby game, we all saw us batter a very poor team. Loads of chances and the start of something? NO. I know I will rip up the playbook and start over!?? WTF? Two gaffs later, from a Keeper who saved us a point with an excellent 1 on 1 save, and Jack is castigated along with Allen, who in all honesty did what he always does and he throws players publicly under the bus. Campbell The lad has a mint pre season. He’s on a high and has been used extensively. His morale is good and he is up for it! He has to start!??? Doesn’t he? No, instead start the first game of the season with two similar players in Afobe and Vokes. The latter you could be forgiven for thinking he wasn’t on the pitch but after a good first half he takes the wrong striker off. Then, just a few days later he is happy enough to let the very FIRST CHOICE STRIKER leave the club for the season that you decided was better to start ahead of the young lad that was on fire?!? What fucking kind of message does that send? Left Back/Wingback McClean isn’t either. Ward was, he isn’t now. Tymon can play there but the lad hasn’t been given the chance and instead we sign a 34 as back up to our 30 year old... Defence I don’t mind Lindsay but he isn’t top of the Championship calibre. Shouldn’t have signed him. CCV not tall enough, gets beat in the air by wingers. Poor use of a loan spot. Worst CB loan since Paul Williams. Batth bang average at best, mid Championship limited player. Collins, the lad is being COMPLETELY mismanaged. Woefully in fact. Considering our weakness there I am amazed he somehow thinks it a good idea to play three of them!!!! Smith seems to be going backwards under Nath’s tutoring. A very average signing at best. No better than Edwards at all. Middle Cousins...I’m convinced he’s won a competition. The fact owd Nath bulled him up so so much is a damning example of his poor judgement of a player’s ability. Clucas, he may be able to “strike” a good ball but he does fuck all else. Clucas is Nath’s blind spot. Adds nothing to the middle of the park, can find a pass about as well as Nathan could find a brothel. Vokes Very poor signing that simply was a huge waste of money. The opposite of the player Nath promised we would be seeing him acquire...well that can be said of all his signings really. Hogan On the face of it he seems ok. Lacks pace though and on balance it was yet another signing that we didn’t need to make. Powell Did any of us think he would be fit consistently? Verlinden Powell’s fitness alone makes his loan move utterly moronic! Don’t even mention Bojan!?!? Duffy Couldn’t lace Charlie’s boots although he is fatter than him. If anyone can explain to me just how or why we can sign an unfit soon to be 34 year old who doesn’t fit into any system that Jones plays yet release a soon to be 34 Charlie Adam who made the diamond work I would be grateful! I could go on and on but enough is enough. Time to go, Taxi for Mr Jones. So, if Charlie Adam, that paragon of fitness, had stayed, it would all be alright. Yeah, of course it would. With everything else, you've just stated the bleeding obvious. You need to take a step back and suggest how we might get out of this mess rather than trotting out the same old complaints most others have. We're sending ourselves into a spiral of depression which is self-fulfilling. What a load of bollocks. Where do I say Adam is the solution? What you could have said was that I implied he is more of a solution than Duffy! However the fact remains that Adam’s cameos last season gave me hope for this year and the diamond made sense. So, in not giving him a contract you could be forgiven in thinking that Nath must have someone in mind to do what Charlie did at the base. Then he bigs up Cousins, a lad he has had before. However, it’s blindingly obvious he isn’t the answer and also that he is not Championship standard! There’s also the fact that I am not a FOOTBALL MANAGER so I will leave the job of dragging us out of the doldrums to Nath. My take on it though is the mistakes are stacking up and as a result of the errors he has made in his tenure I am now convinced he isn’t the man for the job. I REALLY hope he turns it around and we get a win this week at Griffin Park. Unfortunately I can’t go this weekend as the Mrs is away, so I won’t be able to see how we set up first hand. Win lose or draw Suffolk gives a great account of the days’ proceedings so I will wait for that. Oh, and I had already taken a step back. He had my complete backing but on reflection I would like him removed. That ok with you cupcake?
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Post by wuzza on Sept 19, 2019 9:51:15 GMT
It is bizarre but Jones will now probably be considered a success if he were able to stop us getting relegated - everything will be sweetness and light. He should have been achieving top 6 minimum.
Funny old game but he might have bought himself an extra 12 months as long as things change in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 19, 2019 10:02:59 GMT
The last quote from the interview: There has been no quick fix. Jones has been frank and when it was put to him that Stoke are in a worse position than when he took over with the team 14th, he replied: “If it was just results they wanted to improve, they probably could have gone for something else. The club is in a better position, the squad is in a better position, there is a better atmosphere around but, yeah, we are in a worse position in the league. Everything else, I feel we’re in a better position.” Does this make any sense? Did we really not expect an improvement in results when we swapped Jones for Rowett? Are we really in a better position whilst on course for League 1? Jones the walking talking contradiction! So he didn’t previously say promotion was the goal? He really is a Walter Mitty He hasn't said otherwise.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 19, 2019 11:11:14 GMT
So, if Charlie Adam, that paragon of fitness, had stayed, it would all be alright. Yeah, of course it would. With everything else, you've just stated the bleeding obvious. You need to take a step back and suggest how we might get out of this mess rather than trotting out the same old complaints most others have. We're sending ourselves into a spiral of depression which is self-fulfilling. What a load of bollocks. Where do I say Adam is the solution? What you could have said was that I implied he is more of a solution than Duffy! However the fact remains that Adam’s cameos last season gave me hope for this year and the diamond made sense. So, in not giving him a contract you could be forgiven in thinking that Nath must have someone in mind to do what Charlie did at the base. Then he bigs up Cousins, a lad he has had before. However, it’s blindingly obvious he isn’t the answer and also that he is not Championship standard! There’s also the fact that I am not a FOOTBALL MANAGER so I will leave the job of dragging us out of the doldrums to Nath. My take on it though is the mistakes are stacking up and as a result of the errors he has made in his tenure I am now convinced he isn’t the man for the job. I REALLY hope he turns it around and we get a win this week at Griffin Park. Unfortunately I can’t go this weekend as the Mrs is away, so I won’t be able to see how we set up first hand. Win lose or draw Suffolk gives a great account of the days’ proceedings so I will wait for that. Oh, and I had already taken a step back. He had my complete backing but on reflection I would like him removed. That ok with you cupcake? You'd already apologised yourself for the 'long, shit post' in your first sentence and expecting people to nod off reading it, so perhaps you're as confused as everyone else. Oh, and I hope the Mrs has a lovely time at the weekend. Thanks for calling me cupcake though.
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Post by nodders on Sept 19, 2019 17:35:46 GMT
FFP doesn’t have to actually kill us does it? The club has the funds to survive any financial penalty. Theoretically, we just ignore FFP and pay any fine, in whatever div we end up in. The only issue would be if there was a points penalty??? The club does not have the funds - Bet365 have the funds to bankroll the club - IF IT CHOOSES TO. But why should they keep pumping money into Stoke City Football Club? Why not just pile up a mountain of used fivers on Longton Park and have a massive bonfire? The issue isn't IF we have a points penalty, The issue is we WOULD have a points penalty. Which would either mean getting relegated or missing out on promotion. Other than that - great idea. Simply do a Man City style sponsorship deal, but not for £400 million obviously. The BET365 training ground would look amazing after say a £50 million quid "upgrade" and no breach of FFP as the precedent has been set. One rule for them should mean one rule for everyone. 🤔
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2019 19:14:50 GMT
The club does not have the funds - Bet365 have the funds to bankroll the club - IF IT CHOOSES TO. But why should they keep pumping money into Stoke City Football Club? Why not just pile up a mountain of used fivers on Longton Park and have a massive bonfire? The issue isn't IF we have a points penalty, The issue is we WOULD have a points penalty. Which would either mean getting relegated or missing out on promotion. Other than that - great idea. Simply do a Man City style sponsorship deal, but not for £400 million obviously. The BET365 training ground would look amazing after say a £50 million quid "upgrade" and no breach of FFP as the precedent has been set. One rule for them should mean one rule for everyone. 🤔 Rowett gave us a £50 million upgrade with McClean, Afobe, Ince, Woods, etc. although to be fair minded Clucas might yet make the grade.
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