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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 9, 2019 11:38:26 GMT
Hes basically got 2 full time jobs then, right? When theres a few days between games, will he be focussing on Stoke, or watching/scouting NI players in their club games? He will have to compromise on one of his jobs, that much is fact. Or he will have to compromise on both. He cant be doing two things at once. It's amazing how much faith Stoke supporters have in O'Neill's NI team qualifying ahead of Holland and Germany...we must have captured one of the top managers in the game. Bayern (the club), Manure and Madrid will be beating their respective heads against their respective walls at having missed out on such a managing capacity... In all likelihood this dilemma will be purely academical in a couple of weeks when NI have nowhere to go and we will be climbing out of the bottom of where we are now. www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/who-will-michael-oneills-northern-ireland-face-in-the-euro-2020-playoffs-and-when-can-their-place-be-confirmed-38599658.htmlDon't think there's any expectation they'll qualify automatically. But they're almost guaranteed to be in the March play-offs. And the games they'll be playing in will be tricky, but definitely winnable
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Post by milky on Nov 9, 2019 11:52:13 GMT
So during the run in when we are potentially fighting to stay up he will also be trying to organise NI for a massive play off game.
And win that he spends the rest of the season with one eye clearly on the Euros.
The other side of the argument I suppose is this dilemma has affected players for donkeys years.Stepping off the gas a little with a big tournament looming and not wanting to risk injury ?
Interesting times ahead..
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 9, 2019 11:57:17 GMT
Has it been established which system he prefers ? Doesn’t have a preferred system. He’s flexible. Says he needs to find the system that suits the players. Makes total sense
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 12:09:35 GMT
That's still a pretty big if. March (the month) gives him four months to concentrate on us and when it rolls around we may already be relegated, and he can then concentrate fully on NI.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 12:11:26 GMT
Doesn’t have a preferred system. He’s flexible. Says he needs to find the system that suits the players. Makes total sense Sounds a lot easier than done with the systematic changes our boys have been wrinkled through this season (and ½ last)
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Post by serpico on Nov 9, 2019 12:14:20 GMT
"unique" translation = "idiotic"
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Post by serpico on Nov 9, 2019 12:15:38 GMT
Doesn’t have a preferred system. He’s flexible. Says he needs to find the system that suits the players. Makes total sense ... until he finds out that these players don't suit any
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 12:19:15 GMT
He has got a massive job here
To put his job in perspective , Biesla is one of the best managers in world football .
He has transformed Leeds for the Better .done a really good job
Last year he was just outsmarted by Daniel farke ,Dean Smith and Chris wilder .all outstanding managers
This year slaven billic and Alex Neal are slightly ahead of him and he is just off automatic promotion
You can be as good as Biesla in this league , and that's still not enough
It's a truly difficult league to get out off
O Neil has a massively difficult job on his hand
Not impossible , ask Tony pulis !
But very very difficult
Good luck to him
He will need it
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 9, 2019 12:19:43 GMT
At least if he is flexible till he finds a system with his players, they won't be fucking shoehorned into a diamond system that clearly for the most part wasn't working.
Happy days!
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 9, 2019 12:22:59 GMT
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/dont-write-off-oneill-serving-up-another-miracle-38674907.htmlHow he will deliver in both posts remains to be seen but O'Neill has already shown, where he is concerned, anything is possible. Had O'Neill been in charge of Brexit, all that would be sorted by now.
The play-off semi-final, which Northern Ireland are almost certain to be involved in barring miracle results against the Dutch and Germans, takes place on March 26 and the final on March 31. Stoke host Barnsley on April 4.
By then, O'Neill is confident Stoke will be out of relegation trouble.
They have the squad to do it. Reaching the top flight will surely be O'Neill's aim for next season.
Euro 2020 qualification and a 2021 Premier League promotion double? It's Michael O'Neill.
Don't rule it out.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 9, 2019 12:26:50 GMT
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/dont-write-off-oneill-serving-up-another-miracle-38674907.htmlHow he will deliver in both posts remains to be seen but O'Neill has already shown, where he is concerned, anything is possible. Had O'Neill been in charge of Brexit, all that would be sorted by now.
The play-off semi-final, which Northern Ireland are almost certain to be involved in barring miracle results against the Dutch and Germans, takes place on March 26 and the final on March 31. Stoke host Barnsley on April 4.
By then, O'Neill is confident Stoke will be out of relegation trouble.
They have the squad to do it. Reaching the top flight will surely be O'Neill's aim for next season.
Euro 2020 qualification and a 2021 Premier League promotion double? It's Michael O'Neill.
Don't rule it out. Strangely enough the Northern Irish are much more positive about O'Neill being able to work the two roles. But hey what do they know about him? It's a disarrrrrster. The Oatcake has spoken.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 9, 2019 12:29:39 GMT
So during the run in when we are potentially fighting to stay up he will also be trying to organise NI for a massive play off game. And win that he spends the rest of the season with one eye clearly on the Euros. The other side of the argument I suppose is this dilemma has affected players for donkeys years.Stepping off the gas a little with a big tournament looming and not wanting to risk injury ? Interesting times ahead.. Perversely, I think that the NI involvement will be a good thing for Michael O'Neill and he will be able to get away from the local pressure and intense spotlight of life at SCFC. Sort of a Busmans holiday with a change of environment and perspective. After all they say that a change is as good as a rest. A bit of a break in the routine and some different scenery and it could work wonders.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 12:44:24 GMT
The story of his insistence of continuing with NI is worrying
Is this why some of the other clubs that were in for him before didnt materialise?
Dont blame them if so.
Wont be great for team morale surely?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 9, 2019 12:51:02 GMT
The story of his insistence of continuing with NI is worryingIs this why some of the other clubs that were in for him before didnt materialise? Dont blame them if so. Wont be great for team morale surely? Now you see I read that totally differently. I see it as a positive. I see it as a man with the morals not to just run out on a job only half done when the big bucks are dangled. To me it makes him loyal and ethical which are good traits shirley? Just out of interest mate what other clubs were in for him?
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Post by peekay67 on Nov 9, 2019 12:53:44 GMT
I can honestly say I’d never heard of the bloke. As regards his appointment I would say this is another huge gamble due to lack of club management at any decent level this for me is on par with jones appointment and will either be a great success or yet another unmitigated disaster If you've never heard of him, why comment? Frank Lampard had a reasonable season now at Chelsea, Alex Ferguson only managed in Scotland, the great Bob Paisley only a coach at Liverpool. The list goes on. He may be the messiah, who yet knows? He is highly regarded in INTERNATIONAL football so he deserves a decent run. Good luck to him.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 9, 2019 12:54:28 GMT
The story of his insistence of continuing with NI is worryingIs this why some of the other clubs that were in for him before didnt materialise? Dont blame them if so. Wont be great for team morale surely? Now you see I read that totally differently. I see it as a positive. I see it as a man with the morals not to just run out on a job only half done when the big bucks are dangled. To me it makes him loyal and ethical which are good traits shirley? Just out of interest mate what other clubs were in for him? I agree. Think 2 of 'note' were West Brom and Sunderland.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 9, 2019 12:55:34 GMT
Can you imagine him managing in the euros in the summer having well kept us up and building up his profile while the stoke players are on holiday during the summer.
I don't know how he'd cope. Bloody hell 🙄😁
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 9, 2019 13:00:50 GMT
The first public questions for the chief executive on the basis of the reports circulating in Belfast are
What is your comment on the views being circulated that personal animosity prevented the appointment of certain available full time candidates given the club have now appointed a part time manager on a full time salary .
Should they be proven to have any substance would you agree it would be appropriate for any such individual to resign all club office immediately
Can you comment on the view that we Will be transitioning next summer into a division 1 or championship promotion campaign and yet we have agreed the manager could be away from role for 6 weeks planning and executing a European campaign when other full time managers of equal or better experience were Clearly available
Can you confirm exactly who will be in charge of the recruitment strategy while the manager is away due to international duty
Why did the club indicate in its Press releases yesterday Michael’s absolute commitment to the role was the reason for the choice when effectively reports circulating in the Irish media suggest his real commitment is a part time one
Why have the club Agreed to pay compensation when effectively Michael is according to reports still in role with Northern Ireland surely a loan fee would have been more appropriate .
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Post by kustokie on Nov 9, 2019 13:01:11 GMT
Can you imagine if NI qualify for the Euros and we get relegated? We have to watch our manager celebrating and being happy? That would be awesome. It’s worse than that. If we get relegated, he’ll be fired and get his old job back. Pathetic piece of business.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 9, 2019 13:02:01 GMT
Now you see I read that totally differently. I see it as a positive. I see it as a man with the morals not to just run out on a job only half done when the big bucks are dangled. To me it makes him loyal and ethical which are good traits shirley? Just out of interest mate what other clubs were in for him? I agree. Think 2 of 'note' were West Brom and Sunderland. Thanks mate I do remember Sunderland (I think) but can't remember any Baggies interest. We don't know that the circs were the same anyway. Do we?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Nov 9, 2019 13:04:39 GMT
It's a ridiculous situation this. I wish him all the very best, but if he fails here then serious questions need asking of the hierarchy. I just hope for obvious reasons that he's a resounding success, and we can deal with the rest later. As an international manager you are heavily reliant on other teams getting players fit and improving their game. All he has had to do is basically throw them into a system, i am struggling to see how he will improve us. I hope i am wrong but he is pretty untested managing the day to day running of a football club. You make getting Northern Ireland to the Euros and the brink of the World Cup sound easy! And the Euros again this time, in a group including the Netherlands and Germany. O'Neill and his scouting team have also brought at least a couple of players into the NI squad that weren't really anywhere at the time, but are now established first-team players at their clubs. I've forgotten the names. Also, we have a hodge-podge of players from all over the place who haven't seemed like a team for a while. International management is basically getting players who usually don't play together, to play together as a team. He's done that with Northern Ireland. It may sound a little silly but as we have one of the best trining establishments in the country what would be wrong with the NI squad training at Clayton Wood ? Could make a lot of sense. Sounds rather sensible, actually! Good idea.
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Post by zerps on Nov 9, 2019 13:07:03 GMT
Just had a fiver on us playing the diamond
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 9, 2019 13:09:46 GMT
If we lose today and he disappears for ten days then his tenure already has a great black cloud over it. It defies even the most basic of common sense. The owners have lost it I'm afraid. There is no other explanation. We have got ourselves a manager who would otherwise be currently out of our league - we are a club with too many poor players, 3 expensive foreign players out on loan, our two best players likely to agitate to leave in January, a squad shaped to play an ineffective diamond, parachute payments running down and adrift at the bottom of a tough division. To think you can do well here, you have to believe you can get more out of the squad and bring in players who are under the radar as there cannot be big money to spend due to FFP. MON had no need to take this job, he would have been able to do better than us by waiting, so the price is us being more flexible than we like. Reading about him and talking to people in the game, there is no doubt in my mind that he is the real deal, better than we could have expected to get and exactly what we need. He clearly sees a chance to build something here like he did with NI. If he doesn’t work out then it must be the club that is broken
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 9, 2019 13:15:37 GMT
If we lose today and he disappears for ten days then his tenure already has a great black cloud over it. It defies even the most basic of common sense. The owners have lost it I'm afraid. There is no other explanation. We have got ourselves a manager who would otherwise be currently out of our league - we are a club with too many poor players, 3 expensive foreign players out on loan, our two best players likely to agitate to leave in January, a squad shaped to play an ineffective diamond, parachute payments running down and adrift at the bottom of a tough division. To think you can do well here, you have to believe you can get more out of the squad and bring in players who are under the radar as there cannot be big money to spend due to FFP. MON had no need to take this job, he would have been able to do better than us by waiting, so the price is us being more flexible than we like. Reading about him and talking to people in the game, there is no doubt in my mind that he is the real deal, better than we could have expected to get and exactly what we need. He clearly sees a chance to build something here like he did with NI. If he doesn’t work out then it must be the club that is broken We haven’t actually got a manager we’ve borrowed N Ireland’s and given him a 3 1/2 year contract when other full time candidates of equal or greater experience were available that needs explaining especially given only yesterday we we spouting “ it’s his commitment that made the difference “
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2019 13:16:13 GMT
If we lose today and he disappears for ten days then his tenure already has a great black cloud over it. It defies even the most basic of common sense. The owners have lost it I'm afraid. There is no other explanation. We have got ourselves a manager who would otherwise be currently out of our league - we are a club with too many poor players, 3 expensive foreign players out on loan, our two best players likely to agitate to leave in January, a squad shaped to play an ineffective diamond, parachute payments running down and adrift at the bottom of a tough division. To think you can do well here, you have to believe you can get more out of the squad and bring in players who are under the radar as there cannot be big money to spend due to FFP. MON had no need to take this job, he would have been able to do better than us by waiting, so the price is us being more flexible than we like. Reading about him and talking to people in the game, there is no doubt in my mind that he is the real deal, better than we could have expected to get and exactly what we need. He clearly sees a chance to build something here like he did with NI. If he doesn’t work out then it must be the club that is broken I'm sorry but you're making us sound like a notch down from the frigging Vale. A manager with no league experience and he's coming down to our level and doing us a favour to take over a team for Billionaire owners. If him keeping his other job was a stipulation for him coming here, I'd have booted his arse right back out of the door. It's pathetic and we're a pathetic club.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 9, 2019 13:17:39 GMT
We have got ourselves a manager who would otherwise be currently out of our league - we are a club with too many poor players, 3 expensive foreign players out on loan, our two best players likely to agitate to leave in January, a squad shaped to play an ineffective diamond, parachute payments running down and adrift at the bottom of a tough division. To think you can do well here, you have to believe you can get more out of the squad and bring in players who are under the radar as there cannot be big money to spend due to FFP. MON had no need to take this job, he would have been able to do better than us by waiting, so the price is us being more flexible than we like. Reading about him and talking to people in the game, there is no doubt in my mind that he is the real deal, better than we could have expected to get and exactly what we need. He clearly sees a chance to build something here like he did with NI. If he doesn’t work out then it must be the club that is broken I'm sorry but you're making us sound like a notch down from the frigging Vale. A manager with no league experience and he's coming down to our level and doing us a favour to take over a team for Billionaire owners. If him keeping his other job was a stipulation for him coming here, I'd have booted his arse right back out of the door. It's pathetic and we're a pathetic club. Come on. None of this shit is his fault. Deserves our full support.
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Post by liathroid on Nov 9, 2019 13:18:18 GMT
We have got ourselves a manager who would otherwise be currently out of our league - we are a club with too many poor players, 3 expensive foreign players out on loan, our two best players likely to agitate to leave in January, a squad shaped to play an ineffective diamond, parachute payments running down and adrift at the bottom of a tough division. To think you can do well here, you have to believe you can get more out of the squad and bring in players who are under the radar as there cannot be big money to spend due to FFP. MON had no need to take this job, he would have been able to do better than us by waiting, so the price is us being more flexible than we like. Reading about him and talking to people in the game, there is no doubt in my mind that he is the real deal, better than we could have expected to get and exactly what we need. He clearly sees a chance to build something here like he did with NI. If he doesn’t work out then it must be the club that is broken We haven’t actually got a manager we’ve borrowed N Ireland’s and given him a 3 1/2 year contract when other full time candidates of equal or greater experience were available that needs explaining especially given only yesterday we we spouting “ it’s his commitment that made the difference “ he has lots of experience more than the rest
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2019 13:21:42 GMT
I'm sorry but you're making us sound like a notch down from the frigging Vale. A manager with no league experience and he's coming down to our level and doing us a favour to take over a team for Billionaire owners. If him keeping his other job was a stipulation for him coming here, I'd have booted his arse right back out of the door. It's pathetic and we're a pathetic club. Come on. None of this shit is his fault. Deserves our full support. I like the bloke but come on this whole situation is laughable. Say we put in another limp as piss performance today like at Millwall and the only thing coming out of the managers mouth for the next 10 days are his thoughts on Holland and Germany. There is no other word for it. It's pathetic.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 9, 2019 13:23:37 GMT
Has it been established which system he prefers ? Doesn’t have a preferred system. He’s flexible. Says he needs to find the system that suits the players. From his past 20 games with NI, 11 of them have been 4-1-4-1 and another 7 were 4-3-3. These are two formations that blend from one to the other. Almost Rowett-esque one could say!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 9, 2019 13:25:05 GMT
We haven’t actually got a manager we’ve borrowed N Ireland’s and given him a 3 1/2 year contract when other full time candidates of equal or greater experience were available that needs explaining especially given only yesterday we we spouting “ it’s his commitment that made the difference “ he has lots of experience more than the rest 1 he has never managed in England 2 he has never managed in the championship 3 his previous club career is Shamrock rovers and Brechin city He has no relevant experience at all the mangers of Montenegro , Khazikstan and Aberjan have equally relevant experience on the basis Pearson & Shakespeare , Pulis , Atkins , Pardew all have more relevant experience Didn’t require compensation and are available full time it’ stinks of something very very rotten
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