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Post by royalewithcheese on Nov 9, 2019 10:44:59 GMT
Hes basically got 2 full time jobs then, right?
When theres a few days between games, will he be focussing on Stoke, or watching/scouting NI players in their club games?
He will have to compromise on one of his jobs, that much is fact.
Or he will have to compromise on both.
He cant be doing two things at once.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 10:50:52 GMT
It's a ridiculous situation this. I wish him all the very best, but if he fails here then serious questions need asking of the hierarchy.
I just hope for obvious reasons that he's a resounding success, and we can deal with the rest later.
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Post by x1jlf on Nov 9, 2019 10:56:49 GMT
Hopefully they have. It's certainly a lot easier nowadays. Statistically when someone has been caught drink driving they have done it prior. Therefore Serial. On the plus side he went to Rehab. Anyhow that would have been Checked out with him directly at Interview by the board π€ Let's skip over that and move from that as we have what we have and my gut feeling is that Mon will do very well in the long run. I am predicting and really hopeful that a big bounce from a new manager who is actually a strong no nonsense type will today lift us from bottom and at least result in a 3 nil win. Anyone have my confidence? So you're calling him a serial drink driver because somebody else has done it more than once? You're excelling yourself now π
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 9, 2019 10:58:31 GMT
We always have the "give him what he wants posts", well here we are. The club could have waited until after this break but to what beneficial ends? If he keeps us up, I hope they qualify and they have the time of their lives. If he doesnt keep us up and they qualify it might be difficult for the board.
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Post by x1jlf on Nov 9, 2019 11:00:02 GMT
No I am not. My point was ha e the board done due diligence first? A reasonable question don't you think. The rest of my post was quite positive. I said I believe we will win by 3 goals today and I am going to now confidentaly put a shiny pound on it on bet365π
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Post by royalewithcheese on Nov 9, 2019 11:02:25 GMT
We always have the "give him what he wants posts", well here we are. The club could have waited until after this break but to what beneficial ends? If he keeps us up, I hope they qualify and they have the time of their lives. If he doesnt keep us up and they qualify it might be difficult for the board. It's a significant point though, isn't it? When we announced the deal we have completely avoided the issue and been non committal on clearing it up. Its slowly developed. Initially he was just taking charge of the next 2 games for NI. Then it was reported he would also take charge of the play offs. Now it's being reported he will take charge in the Euros, should they get there. He's basically retained 2 full time jobs. That is a big issue to me. He WILL have to compromise in areas for both jobs. That is just a fact.
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2019 11:04:02 GMT
Hes basically got 2 full time jobs then, right? When theres a few days between games, will he be focussing on Stoke, or watching/scouting NI players in their club games? He will have to compromise on one of his jobs, that much is fact. Or he will have to compromise on both. He cant be doing two things at once. Not quite International football isn't full-time What he doesn't get is a break.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Nov 9, 2019 11:05:01 GMT
Saves us from relegation, wins the Euros. Sounds good to me.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 9, 2019 11:07:42 GMT
Saves us from relegation, wins the Euros. Sounds good to me. That's way too positive for this board. Be gone with you.
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Post by royalewithcheese on Nov 9, 2019 11:07:43 GMT
Hes basically got 2 full time jobs then, right? When theres a few days between games, will he be focussing on Stoke, or watching/scouting NI players in their club games? He will have to compromise on one of his jobs, that much is fact. Or he will have to compromise on both. He cant be doing two things at once. Not quite International football isn't full-time What he doesn't get is a break. What do you think he does inbetween international games? Read the articles on him. He travels the country watching his NI players in action and watching potential new players too. He WILL have to compromise. You'd have to be very naive to think otherwise.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 9, 2019 11:08:03 GMT
We always have the "give him what he wants posts", well here we are. The club could have waited until after this break but to what beneficial ends? If he keeps us up, I hope they qualify and they have the time of their lives. If he doesnt keep us up and they qualify it might be difficult for the board. It's a significant point though, isn't it? When we announced the deal we have completely avoided the issue and been non committal on clearing it up. Its slowly developed. Initially he was just taking charge of the next 2 games for NI. Then it was reported he would also take charge of the play offs. Now it's being reported he will take charge in the Euros, should they get there. He's basically retained 2 full time jobs. That is a big issue to me. He WILL have to compromise in areas for both jobs. That is just a fact. I dont know who the next candidate was but to move onto that person over these few games in international breaks is also a big call. We always go on about there not being enough loyalty in football. Well, on those terms, I actually kinda like this. He just has to keep us up. That's it.
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Post by royalewithcheese on Nov 9, 2019 11:09:22 GMT
It's a significant point though, isn't it? When we announced the deal we have completely avoided the issue and been non committal on clearing it up. Its slowly developed. Initially he was just taking charge of the next 2 games for NI. Then it was reported he would also take charge of the play offs. Now it's being reported he will take charge in the Euros, should they get there. He's basically retained 2 full time jobs. That is a big issue to me. He WILL have to compromise in areas for both jobs. That is just a fact. I dont know who the next candidate was but to move onto that person over these few games in international breaks is also a big call. We always go on about there not being enough loyalty in football. Well, on those terms, I actually kinda like this. He just has to keep us up. That's it. Agreed. It would be nice if he was 100% focused on that task though.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 9, 2019 11:10:20 GMT
It's a significant point though, isn't it? When we announced the deal we have completely avoided the issue and been non committal on clearing it up. Its slowly developed. Initially he was just taking charge of the next 2 games for NI. Then it was reported he would also take charge of the play offs. Now it's being reported he will take charge in the Euros, should they get there. He's basically retained 2 full time jobs. That is a big issue to me. He WILL have to compromise in areas for both jobs. That is just a fact. I dont know who the next candidate was but to move onto that person over these few games in international breaks is also a big call. We always go on about there not being enough loyalty in football. Well, on those terms, I actually kinda like this. He just has to keep us up. That's it. I'm sure there were a lot on here screaming for 'anything but Jones'. Well this IS 'anything but Jones' and they're still not happy.
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Post by raythesailor on Nov 9, 2019 11:10:22 GMT
It may sound a little silly but as we have one of the best trining establishments in the country what would be wrong with the NI squad training at Clayton Wood ?
Could make a lot of sense.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 9, 2019 11:13:14 GMT
It's a ridiculous situation this. I wish him all the very best, but if he fails here then serious questions need asking of the hierarchy. I just hope for obvious reasons that he's a resounding success, and we can deal with the rest later. As an international manager you are heavily reliant on other teams getting players fit and improving their game. All he has had to do is basically throw them into a system, i am struggling to see how he will improve us. I hope i am wrong but he is pretty untested managing the day to day running of a football club.
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Post by serpico on Nov 9, 2019 11:13:18 GMT
Just another in a long line of baffling decisions by the club, the stoke job alone is hard enough but juggling it with the NI job is just crazy, i don't see us beating relegation with a manager who's splitting his time with us and another team.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 9, 2019 11:14:29 GMT
Just another in a long line of baffling decisions by the club, the stoke job alone is hard enough but juggling it with the NI job is just crazy, i don't see us beating relegation with a manager who's splitting his time with us and another team. Itβs for 2 games Surely a new NI manager will be appointed in the next few weeks
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2019 11:14:41 GMT
Not quite International football isn't full-time What he doesn't get is a break. What do you think he does inbetween international games? Read the articles on him. He travels the country watching his NI players in action and watching potential new players too. He WILL have to compromise. You'd have to be very naive to think otherwise. Not saying he won't have to work incredibly hard however it's not two full time jobs. Really not concerned that our manager will be scouting other games in England that's not a bad thing. What concerns me is it's a massive workload for him. What do club managers do during international breaks? Not forgetting a good chunk of our squad are away with their countries. Think we are worried about not very much here. We should be worried about having 8 points in November.
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2019 11:17:03 GMT
It's a ridiculous situation this. I wish him all the very best, but if he fails here then serious questions need asking of the hierarchy. I just hope for obvious reasons that he's a resounding success, and we can deal with the rest later. As an international manager you are heavily reliant on other teams getting players fit and improving their game. All he has had to do is basically throw them into a system, i am struggling to see how he will improve us. I hope i am wrong but he is pretty untested managing the day to day running of a football club. Apart from when he used to manage clubs. I realize it was at a much lower level but is the day to day job of running a small club that different to running Stoke? He's not a rookie manager, he's got years of experience and has been incredibly successful. Maybe we should have got Neil Harris,Derek Mcinnes or one of the other shite contenders in?
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Post by lordb on Nov 9, 2019 11:17:36 GMT
Β It may sound a little silly but as we have one of the best trining establishments in the country what would be wrong with the NI squad training at Clayton Wood ? Could make a lot of sense. Interesting
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2019 11:19:26 GMT
So hes definitely got his eyes on 2 jobs then. It isn't just a short term thing. That's a big concern. How can he be fully focused on us? How can he devote every spare minute and all his energies on the monumental task ahead of him, when he has a completely different team to also focus on? I'm not comfortable with this. It's totally pathetic.
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Post by royalewithcheese on Nov 9, 2019 11:22:30 GMT
Can you imagine if NI qualify for the Euros and we get relegated?
We have to watch our manager celebrating and being happy?
That would be awesome.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 9, 2019 11:24:11 GMT
What do you think he does inbetween international games? Read the articles on him. He travels the country watching his NI players in action and watching potential new players too. He WILL have to compromise. You'd have to be very naive to think otherwise. Not saying he won't have to work incredibly hard however it's not two full time jobs. Really not concerned that our manager will be scouting other games in England that's not a bad thing. What concerns me is it's a massive workload for him. What do club managers do during international breaks? Not forgetting a good chunk of our squad are away with their countries. Think we are worried about not very much here. We should be worried about having 8 points in November. It's a massively hypothetical argument. He may do brilliantly in both roles. He may not have to because NI might appoint a successor before March. Boris may plunge us into nuclear armageddon in the new year. Who knows? Let's just see how it goes. It might just be an inspired appointment. But why punish yourself (and us) werritting about something that might never happen?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2019 11:24:39 GMT
Can you imagine if NI qualify for the Euros and we get relegated? We have to watch our manager celebrating and being happy? That would be awesome. It will certainly be a fitting epitaph to the complete idiocy that is this era of the club.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 9, 2019 11:26:53 GMT
It just shows how desperate we are we've agreed to this. I can't think of any other club who would've done, it's ridiculous.
I shouldn't worry though, I have no doubts he'll be thinking and acting on transfer targets at the same time as setting up his home country in the Euro's π€
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 9, 2019 11:31:02 GMT
If we lose today and he disappears for ten days then his tenure already has a great black cloud over it.
It defies even the most basic of common sense.
The owners have lost it I'm afraid. There is no other explanation.
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Post by wiss76 on Nov 9, 2019 11:32:50 GMT
What a load of clowns - managing NI in euros has no bearing on work for stoke ! Get a grip
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Post by skip on Nov 9, 2019 11:32:51 GMT
Managers doesn't have to physically do everything for themselves. Not if they manage well and have a smart team around them. They oversee and delegate but make the calls. I can handle him carrying on with NI, at least for now. It was either this or one of the dour bastards we were likely to end up with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 11:33:48 GMT
Hes basically got 2 full time jobs then, right? When theres a few days between games, will he be focussing on Stoke, or watching/scouting NI players in their club games? He will have to compromise on one of his jobs, that much is fact. Or he will have to compromise on both. He cant be doing two things at once. It's amazing how much faith Stoke supporters have in O'Neill's NI team qualifying ahead of Holland and Germany...we must have captured one of the top managers in the game. Bayern (the club), Manure and Madrid will be beating their respective heads against their respective walls at having missed out on such a managing capacity... In all likelihood this dilemma will be purely academical in a couple of weeks when NI have nowhere to go and we will be climbing out of the bottom of where we are now.
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Post by royalewithcheese on Nov 9, 2019 11:35:34 GMT
Hes basically got 2 full time jobs then, right? When theres a few days between games, will he be focussing on Stoke, or watching/scouting NI players in their club games? He will have to compromise on one of his jobs, that much is fact. Or he will have to compromise on both. He cant be doing two things at once. It's amazing how much faith Stoke supporters have in O'Neill's NI team qualifying ahead of Holland and Germany...we must have captured one of the top managers in the game. Bayern (the club), Manure and Madrid will be beating their respective heads against their respective walls at having missed out on such a managing capacity... In all likelihood this dilemma will be purely academical in a couple of weeks when NI have nowhere to go and we will be climbing out of the bottom of where we are now. What about qualifying via the play offs, numb nuts? Do your research.
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