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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Oct 22, 2019 21:46:41 GMT
Some people are not convinced that changing the manager for change sake will change the team's performances or results. Tell me now who will replace him and that we will make the top 6 and I'm on board. All I will say is that we should have sacked this oaf weeks and weeks ago. You want to stick with him? You obviously want to see our club sink into oblivion. Maybe if the managers we wanted hadnt have turned us down, we tried to twist and it looks like the board are happy to stick for the time being.
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 22, 2019 21:47:37 GMT
It was and still is one game at a time for me where something has to come from each game. The last two were positive outcomes although arguably he shouldn’t have even been in charge. After tonight’s result nothing has changed...he shouldn’t be in the job.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 22, 2019 21:50:11 GMT
I’m far from convinced the owners ever actually made a pro-active decision here. Circumstances meant there was no-one they could get in quickly and in the meantime events overtook them. The plaudits they have got for ‘sticking with their man’ are probably a bit misplaced.
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Post by shrewspotter on Oct 22, 2019 21:58:38 GMT
He’s out of his depth. But let’s face it, there is no way he will be sacked prior to Saturday so we as well just get on with it and get behind him.
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Post by enuntio on Oct 22, 2019 22:03:09 GMT
It was and still is one game at a time for me where something has to come from each game. The last two were positive outcomes although arguably he shouldn’t have even been in charge. After tonight’s result nothing has changed...he shouldn’t be in the job. Yes. On a game by game basis seems more than fair. But the game tonight was quite dismal for both teams. Yes, the 2nd half was a huge improvement but still lacking in enough skill to reach the dizzy heights that we all desire. The enforced substitutions obviously did not help, but such is life. Nothing but an entertaining victory ( or one nil) will do against Millwall. See what Sunday brings ;-)
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Post by robrigo on Oct 22, 2019 22:16:36 GMT
Lack of balls, lack of action, lack of foresight has lead this club to be run on a week by week, game by game basis. I was happy with our two solitary wins but they lead me to thinking we’ve turned a corner. In reality we haven’t.
The board will have been thinking the same and there we go...let’s see where we are after Millwall- rinse and repeat.
Personally I don’t think he’s the man for us- sadly. No amount of fist pumping, urging on the crowd or displays of passion will convince me otherwise until we truly turn it around.
So there we again, we have to wait again because those that run our club don’t seem to plan ahead.
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Post by mamasgloves on Oct 23, 2019 8:33:46 GMT
Some people know a bad manager when they see one. Some people are not convinced that changing the manager for change sake will change the team's performances or results. Tell me now who will replace him and that we will make the top 6 and I'm on board. All people can see we are bottom of the league and to do nothing would be negligence of the highest order from the board. Half the problem is that Jones genuinely can't see his own faults and limtiations.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 23, 2019 8:38:29 GMT
Jones acts like he won the job in a raffle and can't believe he's here.
He's basically the managerial equivalent of Ali Dia's 20 minutes appearance for Southampton. He's a fraud. All talk.
Get him gone while there's only 2 points in it.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 23, 2019 8:45:58 GMT
The intensity in this discussion will go through the roof if we fail to beat Millwall & worse case scenario lose.
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 23, 2019 8:58:56 GMT
The intensity in this discussion will go through the roof if we fail to beat Millwall & worse case scenario lose. We need to smash the absolute fucking shit out of Millwall. 9-0 would be nice. Gregory scores 6, Bojan comes back from Montreal to score the other 3 and then goes back after the game finishes. Millwall will be the 3rd of the supposed '3 games' that could keep Jones in a job. We're now on W1, L1, so he absolutely needs a win. Though I think the board will view it as a draw will be enough for him. I don't think it would be for me, it's win or bust. Luckily we've got a little longer to rest and train for the match, but need to hope Etebo, CCV and Edwards are okay (though I'd put Smith in now over Tom). Need another Fulham style performance. It's absolutely crucial.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 23, 2019 9:05:52 GMT
The knives are out again.
Don't let facts get in the way of judgement though.
We started with Indi off sick, had 3 players injured and finished with 10 men, and still outplayed the 3rd placed team on the balance of play.
The result went against us, it happens.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 23, 2019 9:08:56 GMT
What worries me is that there appeared to be no discernible plan last night. Were we trying to pass through the lines or as it appeared hoof the ball forward aimlessly?. As long as Baath is in the back four we will struggle to play progressive football I am afraid.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 23, 2019 9:09:00 GMT
So we lose again on Saturday Rowett will have them fired up thinking he has a point to prove. Our owners dither again & leave him in the job for a monday night game on the tele against a big local rival who are flying. I can only see one outcome complete humilation in front of a watching tv audience. Anybody else got that feeling.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 23, 2019 9:10:44 GMT
I think outplayed is slightly a strong statement, looked marginally better than a piss poor team. Why do nearly all the teams we play against seem to pass the ball far crisper than us?
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Post by serpico on Oct 23, 2019 9:14:06 GMT
The knives are out again. Don't let facts get in the way of judgement though. We started with Indi off sick, had 3 players injured and finished with 10 men, and still outplayed the 3rd placed team on the balance of play. The result went against us, it happens. If we hadn’t lost so many games prior to this then he could afford a night like last night, But we have and he can’t.
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Post by mamasgloves on Oct 23, 2019 9:58:23 GMT
The knives are out again. Don't let facts get in the way of judgement though. We started with Indi off sick, had 3 players injured and finished with 10 men, and still outplayed the 3rd placed team on the balance of play. The result went against us, it happens. He's being judged entirely on facts, though isn't he? We are bottom of the league and just endured the worst run of home form in our entire history Are those facts not enough?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 10:03:25 GMT
If we keep winning 2 games from every group of 12, we'll be fine & so will Nath 👀
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 10:07:08 GMT
The knives are out again. Don't let facts get in the way of judgement though. We started with Indi off sick, had 3 players injured and finished with 10 men, and still outplayed the 3rd placed team on the balance of play. The result went against us, it happens. If we hadn’t lost so many games prior to this then he could afford a night like last night, But we have and he can’t. After 2 wins on the bounce we can afford a night like last night, the reality is we're not suddenly going to go on a long unbeaten streak. Putting a couple of wins together and getting a reasonable win ratio over the next 5-10 games will do. Win 4 out of our next 10, draw a couple, and we'll be out of the bottom 3. It seems Jones is going to be given time, if he was going it'd have happened after Huddersfield. This thread may as well be binned, put the knives away and focus on supporting the team.
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Post by serpico on Oct 23, 2019 10:21:27 GMT
If we hadn’t lost so many games prior to this then he could afford a night like last night, But we have and he can’t. After 2 wins on the bounce we can afford a night like last night, the reality is we're not suddenly going to go on a long unbeaten streak. Putting a couple of wins together and getting a reasonable win ratio over the next 5-10 games will do. Win 4 out of our next 10, draw a couple, and we'll be out of the bottom 3. It seems Jones is going to be given time, if he was going it'd have happened after Huddersfield. This thread may as well be binned, put the knives away and focus on supporting the team. We can’t really afford to not pick up points in games like last nights, Sheffield Wednesday were poor, we had the chances and should have got a point, but that’s been the story of this season under jones, too many “should have got something” games.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 23, 2019 10:22:59 GMT
The knives are out again. Don't let facts get in the way of judgement though. We started with Indi off sick, had 3 players injured and finished with 10 men, and still outplayed the 3rd placed team on the balance of play. The result went against us, it happens. 'It' happens a lot. Is nine losses from 13 second tier games acceptable? Outplayed 😂 Two shit teams, one didn't make a costly mistake by a player that the manager shelled out 2.5 million for
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Post by wuzza on Oct 23, 2019 10:57:38 GMT
The knives are out again. Don't let facts get in the way of judgement though. We started with Indi off sick, had 3 players injured and finished with 10 men, and still outplayed the 3rd placed team on the balance of play. The result went against us, it happens. It was his task to ensure we had a squad able to deal with a couple of injuries here and there - he patently hasn’t. It’s one of the biggest and best paid in the league - what his sides produce on the pitch doesn’t reflect this. It’s big picture stuff not the vagaries of a few individual games we are talking about here and it isn’t good enough.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 23, 2019 11:38:32 GMT
Jones is going nowhere, he's here for the long run.
I actually think the board will stomach us going down and keep Jones for the complete rebuild.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 23, 2019 13:16:18 GMT
I think Smudges latest article pretty much sums up where we are at, you can't sugar coat it, the summer recruitment was shocking and it will come back to haunt us. The board after breathing a sigh of relief after the 2 victories will have to get their thinking caps on again if we fail to deliver at Millwall..
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 23, 2019 13:47:16 GMT
Jones is going nowhere, he's here for the long run. I actually think the board will stomach us going down and keep Jones for the complete rebuild. Where's the evidence that says he could rebuild us? Just because he's managed in League 1? Christ, you're in the minority if you believe it'll be fine to see us drop like a stone into that hell hole and that the Board will be too. Really?
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Post by mamasgloves on Oct 23, 2019 14:33:58 GMT
Jones is going nowhere, he's here for the long run. I actually think the board will stomach us going down and keep Jones for the complete rebuild. Where's the evidence that says he could rebuild us? Just because he's managed in League 1? Christ, you're in the minority if you believe it'll be fine to see us drop like a stone into that hell hole and that the Board will be too. Really? If we do go down I hope we go and get the entire staff from Luton because with each passing week its looking more and more like they were the ones responsible for their success and not the man who claims it was him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 23, 2019 14:37:19 GMT
Surely defeat on Saturday would see him under serious pressure again because that would make it 10 defeats in 14 this season and 8 points from 42😮Surely to god even our board are not that blind to this
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:38:31 GMT
Surely defeat on Saturday would see him under serious pressure again because that would make it 10 defeats in 14 this season and 8 points from 42😮Surely to god even our board are not that blind to this Is blindness the issue or something else? Have they already tried and failed to replace him from their small pool of tiddlers?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 23, 2019 14:39:56 GMT
Surely defeat on Saturday would see him under serious pressure again because that would make it 10 defeats in 14 this season and 8 points from 42😮Surely to god even our board are not that blind to this Is blindness the issue or something else? Have they already tried and failed to replace him from their small pool of tiddlers? Maybe so mate but surely there’s someone out who could get a better tune out of these players🤔
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Post by stokeson on Oct 23, 2019 14:41:54 GMT
Inertia. The current state of the club management..................................
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:43:30 GMT
Is blindness the issue or something else? Have they already tried and failed to replace him from their small pool of tiddlers? Maybe so mate but surely there’s someone out who could get a better tune out of these players🤔 Can we afford him or can we not afford to sack the current manager and his staff? How many more managers are we still paying in the background? Is Rowett still on the books now he's at Millwall? Is it an ego issue? They had the chance to make the change after the Birmingham game and didn't take it. You have to ask why.
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