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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 23, 2019 14:45:12 GMT
Maybe so mate but surely there’s someone out who could get a better tune out of these players🤔 Can we afford him or can we not afford to sack the current manager and his staff? How many more managers are we still paying in the background? Is Rowett still on the books now he's at Millwall? Is it an ego issue? They had the chance to make the change after the Birmingham game and didn't take it. You have to ask why. Maybe FFP is a bigger issue than some of us think but they just can’t afford to let the club slip into League One
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 14:48:41 GMT
Can we afford him or can we not afford to sack the current manager and his staff? How many more managers are we still paying in the background? Is Rowett still on the books now he's at Millwall? Is it an ego issue? They had the chance to make the change after the Birmingham game and didn't take it. You have to ask why. Maybe FFP is a bigger issue than some of us think but they just can’t afford to let the club slip into League One They might not have a choice the longer they leave it. There's no guarantee of a new man getting a tune out of this lot to the level we would require if we leave it close to Christmas. You'd be talking promotion form to stay up.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 23, 2019 15:11:55 GMT
Surely defeat on Saturday would see him under serious pressure again because that would make it 10 defeats in 14 this season and 8 points from 42😮Surely to god even our board are not that blind to this Is blindness the issue or something else? Have they already tried and failed to replace him from their small pool of tiddlers? Makes for an uneasy relationship between the owners and manager. Even if it's only tabloid rumour it must put a level of distrust between the manager and the board. NJ: Is it true you've looked at replacements but they've turned you down. JC: Of course not Nathan, we have every faith in you. NJ: Yeah, right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 15:14:01 GMT
One issue we have with any potential managerial appointment is a squad catered very much to the ultra-central diamond. Say we get someone in who likes to play 4-2-3-1, who the fuck does he stick out there until January?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 23, 2019 15:20:12 GMT
If he loses the next 2 games (which I think he will) there must be some movement from the club on this surely, it can't possibly be allowed to continue can it ?
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 23, 2019 15:22:48 GMT
Jones is going nowhere, he's here for the long run. I actually think the board will stomach us going down and keep Jones for the complete rebuild. Where's the evidence that says he could rebuild us? Just because he's managed in League 1? Christ, you're in the minority if you believe it'll be fine to see us drop like a stone into that hell hole and that the Board will be too. Really? Where have I said it's the right thing to do and I'm fine with it?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 23, 2019 15:41:29 GMT
But you think it's likely Pugs, and I don't understand why anyone would believe it might happen. There is no other team in all four divisions who would hang onto their manager with a similar record. Defeat against Millwall and I see no option, and I hate the thought of sacking another manager as much as the next man.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 23, 2019 15:52:32 GMT
I agree, last night I couldn't even see a structure to how we were trying to play. It's as if the players were in auto pilot. Lose Saturday and with other teams playing the following Saturday, us on Monday and the league table could look pretty ugly pre West Brom.
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Post by march4 on Oct 23, 2019 16:08:48 GMT
The knives are out again. Don't let facts get in the way of judgement though. We started with Indi off sick, had 3 players injured and finished with 10 men, and still outplayed the 3rd placed team on the balance of play. The result went against us, it happens. He's being judged entirely on facts, though isn't he? We are bottom of the league and just endured the worst run of home form in our entire history Are those facts not enough? With the most expensively constructed squad of players in the history of the Championship. And with an overhaul of the playing staff that Jones personally oversaw. The ‘facts’ are damning.
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Post by medwaypotter on Oct 23, 2019 16:18:47 GMT
He's being judged entirely on facts, though isn't he? We are bottom of the league and just endured the worst run of home form in our entire history Are those facts not enough? With the most expensively constructed squad of players in the history of the Championship. And with an overhaul of the playing staff that Jones personally oversaw. The ‘facts’ are damning. Think Fulham maybe more expensive
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Post by christhepotter on Oct 23, 2019 16:39:21 GMT
The knives are out again. Don't let facts get in the way of judgement though. We started with Indi off sick, had 3 players injured and finished with 10 men, and still outplayed the 3rd placed team on the balance of play. The result went against us, it happens. Of course the knives are out and rightly so 8 pts from 13 games , that’s 0.61 pts a game 28pts over the season You know what that means surely 🙄
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Post by thevoid on Oct 23, 2019 16:42:11 GMT
Surely defeat on Saturday would see him under serious pressure again because that would make it 10 defeats in 14 this season and 8 points from 42😮Surely to god even our board are not that blind to this Is blindness the issue or something else? Have they already tried and failed to replace him from their small pool of tiddlers? We've had Scots and Welsh managers and been rebuffed by O'Neill so Scholesy's scouring the best of the Manx League as we speak.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 23, 2019 16:44:21 GMT
Inertia. The current state of the club management.................................. That'll teach us to look abroad. No more Inertians in the future.
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Post by serpico on Oct 23, 2019 16:45:50 GMT
If he loses the next 2 games (which I think he will) there must be some movement from the club on this surely, it can't possibly be allowed to continue can it ? I’ve been thinking that since the Brum game. Ironically Those 2 wins might turn out to be the worst thing that could have happened, a loss at Swansea would surely have seen him off ? but with those two wins he’s bought himself time, we might be in a scenario where he wins a couple of games here and there, gets to keep his job but we still find ourselves mired in the bottom 3 all season.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 23, 2019 16:46:30 GMT
If he loses the next 2 games (which I think he will) there must be some movement from the club on this surely, it can't possibly be allowed to continue can it ? He beat Swansea and Fulham, that's probably earned him a testimonial.
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Post by march4 on Oct 23, 2019 16:56:03 GMT
With the most expensively constructed squad of players in the history of the Championship. And with an overhaul of the playing staff that Jones personally oversaw. The ‘facts’ are damning. Think Fulham maybe more expensive According to Transfer Market you are correct but they forget the £36M for Imbula and Wimmer.
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Post by serpico on Oct 23, 2019 16:56:22 GMT
Trouble is, if you sack jones and Moyes, Hughton, allardyce don’t want the job who are you left with ? ... you’re quickly in pardew, Adkins, Pearson territory, would fans be happy with any of those ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 17:04:39 GMT
Trouble is, if you sack jones and Moyes, Hughton, allardyce don’t want the job who are you left with ? ... you’re quickly in pardew, Adkins, Pearson territory, would fans be happy with any of those ?
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Post by medwaypotter on Oct 23, 2019 17:15:02 GMT
Think Fulham maybe more expensive According to Transfer Market you are correct but they forget the £36M for Imbula and Wimmer. And so they should, both signed in the premier, and never played in the Championship
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 23, 2019 17:37:07 GMT
But you think it's likely Pugs, and I don't understand why anyone would believe it might happen. There is no other team in all four divisions who would hang onto their manager with a similar record. Defeat against Millwall and I see no option, and I hate the thought of sacking another manager as much as the next man. I think it's likely because the people making football decisions are clearly clueless. Why haven't they sacked him already? It's mind boggling that they haven't.
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Post by serpico on Oct 23, 2019 17:44:00 GMT
But you think it's likely Pugs, and I don't understand why anyone would believe it might happen. There is no other team in all four divisions who would hang onto their manager with a similar record. Defeat against Millwall and I see no option, and I hate the thought of sacking another manager as much as the next man. I think it's likely because the people making football decisions are clearly clueless. Why haven't they sacked him already? It's mind boggling that they haven't. I think it’s for the reasons I laid out further up the thread, the realistic replacements simply aren’t much, if any better than jones ? ... if the top managers don’t want the job is it worth replacing jones with pardew, Adkins or Pearson ?
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 23, 2019 17:45:33 GMT
I think it's likely because the people making football decisions are clearly clueless. Why haven't they sacked him already? It's mind boggling that they haven't. I think it’s for the reasons I laid out further up the thread, the realistic replacements simply aren’t much, if any better than jones ? ... if the top managers don’t want the job is it worth replacing jones with pardew, Adkins or Pearson ? So we can't sell the Stoke City project to a decent manager? What a shit show engineered by John Coates overseen by old man Peter. I'd take Pardew all day.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2019 17:48:20 GMT
I think it’s for the reasons I laid out further up the thread, the realistic replacements simply aren’t much, if any better than jones ? ... if the top managers don’t want the job is it worth replacing jones with pardew, Adkins or Pearson ? So we can't sell the Stoke City project to a decent manager? What a shit show engineered by John Coates overseen by old man Peter. I'd take Pardew all day. There isn't much of a project really, no money to spend, a fair few players on fat contracts not willing to leave and a squad that doesn't really lend itself to any formation fully.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2019 17:48:52 GMT
But you think it's likely Pugs, and I don't understand why anyone would believe it might happen. There is no other team in all four divisions who would hang onto their manager with a similar record. Defeat against Millwall and I see no option, and I hate the thought of sacking another manager as much as the next man. I think it's likely because the people making football decisions are clearly clueless. Why haven't they sacked him already? It's mind boggling that they haven't. The answer is simple. They can't attract anyone to the job who they want. They'll leave it till Christmas, shit themselves and bring back Vinegar Tits.
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Post by sutekh on Oct 23, 2019 17:49:43 GMT
I think it’s for the reasons I laid out further up the thread, the realistic replacements simply aren’t much, if any better than jones ? ... if the top managers don’t want the job is it worth replacing jones with pardew, Adkins or Pearson ? So we can't sell the Stoke City project to a decent manager? What a shit show engineered by John Coates overseen by old man Peter. I'd take Pardew all day. So would I. I would take him to Westport lake and put a bullet through his head. Awful manager.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 23, 2019 17:57:29 GMT
Maybe FFP is a bigger issue than some of us think but they just can’t afford to let the club slip into League One They might not have a choice the longer they leave it. There's no guarantee of a new man getting a tune out of this lot to the level we would require if we leave it close to Christmas. You'd be talking promotion form to stay up. Oh I agree mate but the problem is like you say it could take promotion form to stay up and that’s with whoever’s in charge
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 23, 2019 18:04:06 GMT
One issue we have with any potential managerial appointment is a squad catered very much to the ultra-central diamond. Say we get someone in who likes to play 4-2-3-1, who the fuck does he stick out there until January? This squad isn't tailored to fit any system, least of all the diamond. We have no LB and no real 10.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 23, 2019 18:06:29 GMT
Was Moyes ever approached when Hughton was muted as a target?. Seemed widely reported Hughton had turned us down, don't remember Moyes being mentioned though?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 23, 2019 18:24:32 GMT
I think it's likely because the people making football decisions are clearly clueless. Why haven't they sacked him already? It's mind boggling that they haven't. The answer is simple. They can't attract anyone to the job who they want. They'll leave it till Christmas, shit themselves and bring back Vinegar Tits. Think that’s probably Spot on
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Post by thevoid on Oct 23, 2019 18:33:57 GMT
The answer is simple. They can't attract anyone to the job who they want. They'll leave it till Christmas, shit themselves and bring back Vinegar Tits. Think that’s probably Spot on Pulis will not be darkening Stoke's door again. If he was under consideration, he'd have been here after the Huddersfield game.
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