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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 19:45:58 GMT
This is politics Fel. Meaning, Whats’want. We!ll see what people want. You seem scared. Labour has been infiltrated by lunatics Barth it's Labour voters who should be scared. I don't think it's how we do politics in this country Barth. I can't remember Blair, Brown or any other Labour leader asking his party within a party to close down roads and bridges across the country. I wouldn’t call Tony Blair a Labour leader!
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 31, 2019 6:00:21 GMT
This is politics Fel. Meaning, Whats’want. We!ll see what people want. You seem scared. Labour has been infiltrated by lunatics Barth it's Labour voters who should be scared. I don't think it's how we do politics in this country Barth. I can't remember Blair, Brown or any other Labour leader asking his party within a party to close down roads and bridges across the country. It’s a reaction to what’s going on the other side. If a Labour government attempted to prorogate parliament the Torys & their rags would cry treason. Look at what they were like on the hung parliament of 2010, shouting for Brown to leave No10. & There lies the problem...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 6:55:26 GMT
Unfortunately Labour , for me, has completely lost its way. Paul Mason's arrogance seems to exemplify Momentum. / In the second clip I feel that he is embarrassed by Michelle Dewberry. from 29.04 onwards. from 34 she appears to have been bullied for complaining about being bullied. Michelle Dewberry is patronised and treated with derision.Not about winning an argument , just dismissive condescension. The saddest thing of all is that Mason is incapable of seeing how ultimately this approach will destroy the Labour party for a generation. We may still be in a class struggle or social justice struggle but the arena and methods momentum are fighting in and with are not connecting at all with the ordinary working class, in my opinion.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 7:14:47 GMT
But what are your views on them supposedly being hard core socialists and not wanting to leave the EU? I’m genuinely interested to know how people can reconcile it Leaving under a far right agenda? You can't spend three years trying to undermine democracy and then piss and moan when you get out manoeuvred.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 7:19:01 GMT
Massive similarities between this "call to action" from Momentum and the Gilet Jaune movement in France. Be interesting to see how it is received if anything does happen.
Could be interesting times.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 31, 2019 7:25:30 GMT
Massive similarities between this "call to action" from Momentum and the Gilet Jaune movement in France. Be interesting to see how it is received if anything does happen. Could be interesting times. There’s one difference; the gilet jaune is a populist, grass root movement. Momentum is composed of a bunch of middle class pseudo intellectuals playing at pretend politics.
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Post by lommack on Aug 31, 2019 7:40:21 GMT
Unfortunately Labour , for me, has completely lost its way. Paul Mason's arrogance seems to exemplify Momentum. / In the second clip I feel that he is embarrassed by Michelle Dewberry. from 29.04 onwards. from 34 she appears to have been bullied for complaining about being bullied. Michelle Dewberry is patronised and treated with derision.Not about winning an argument , just dismissive condescension. The saddest thing of all is that Mason is incapable of seeing how ultimately this approach will destroy the Labour party for a generation. We may still be in a class struggle or social justice struggle but the arena and methods momentum are fighting in and with are not connecting at all with the ordinary working class, in my opinion. Bin the labour party? Another myopic view, do you only read stuff you agree with?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 7:40:29 GMT
Massive similarities between this "call to action" from Momentum and the Gilet Jaune movement in France. Be interesting to see how it is received if anything does happen. Could be interesting times. There’s one difference; the gilet jaune is a populist, grass root movement. Momentum is composed of a bunch of middle class pseudo intellectuals playing at pretend politics. What makes something a grassroots movement? Both claim to be grassroots.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 7:47:26 GMT
Unfortunately Labour , for me, has completely lost its way. Paul Mason's arrogance seems to exemplify Momentum. / In the second clip I feel that he is embarrassed by Michelle Dewberry. from 29.04 onwards. from 34 she appears to have been bullied for complaining about being bullied. Michelle Dewberry is patronised and treated with derision.Not about winning an argument , just dismissive condescension. The saddest thing of all is that Mason is incapable of seeing how ultimately this approach will destroy the Labour party for a generation. We may still be in a class struggle or social justice struggle but the arena and methods momentum are fighting in and with are not connecting at all with the ordinary working class, in my opinion. Bin the labour party? Another myopic view, do you only read stuff you agree with? It's not about "me". Mason is awful isn't he?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 7:54:18 GMT
It's not about "me". Mason is awful isn't he? It's not about Mason. Closing down Parliament at such an important time is awful isn't it?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 7:58:38 GMT
It's not about "me". Mason is awful isn't he? It's not about Mason. Closing down Parliament at such an important time is awful isn't it? It is on this thread . He is a big supporter and defender of Momentum.....he refers to it in the clip.
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Post by lommack on Aug 31, 2019 8:00:39 GMT
No I don't think he is, it seems that anyone can say anything about the left of politics, look at the general discourse on here. Terms like Marxist, anti semitic , bullies are thrown around wildly,. When someone defends themselves the poor right snowflakes get all precious. It's all engineered bollocks.
And it is about you you're on here every day posting all types of obscure right wing shit to back up your arguments. Try having an opinion and have the confidence to stand by it without trawling the depths of the internet to qualify them
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2019 8:03:01 GMT
It's not about "me". Mason is awful isn't he? It's not about Mason. Closing down Parliament at such an important time is awful isn't it? Parliament hasn't sat in september for many many years, they had already voted not too its an extra 4 days or whatever lost which if its so important they will sit at weekends to make up the time, just like they could have cancelled their 6 week holiday, we all know the answer to that of course Its not about parliament being shut down its the fact their wont vote for a deal / wont vote for no deal stalling tactics are over.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 8:05:19 GMT
No I don't think he is, it seems that anyone can say anything about the left of politics, look at the general discourse on here. Terms like Marxist, anti semitic , bullies are thrown around wildly,. When someone defends themselves the poor right snowflakes get all precious. It's all engineered bollocks. And it is about you you're on here every day posting all types of obscure right wing shit to back up your arguments. Try having an opinion and have the confidence to stand by it without trawling the depths of the internet to qualify them I feel deeply hurt but I can just about take it.😥 images.app.goo.gl/GYWCNCVDSjDugw6BAMason is a defender of Momentum and does exemplify its methods. Are yous deflecting? 🤭
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Post by lommack on Aug 31, 2019 8:10:47 GMT
No I don't think he is, it seems that anyone can say anything about the left of politics, look at the general discourse on here. Terms like Marxist, anti semitic , bullies are thrown around wildly,. When someone defends themselves the poor right snowflakes get all precious. It's all engineered bollocks. And it is about you you're on here every day posting all types of obscure right wing shit to back up your arguments. Try having an opinion and have the confidence to stand by it without trawling the depths of the internet to qualify them I feel deeply hurt but I can just about take it.😥 images.app.goo.gl/GYWCNCVDSjDugw6BAMason is a defender of Momentum and does exemplify its methods. Are yous deflecting? 🤭 There you again "deflecting ". It's an opinion! You just close down opinion if you don't agree with it
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 8:11:24 GMT
It seems that anyone can say anything about the right of politics, look at the general discourse on here. Terms like racist, alt-right, gammon are thrown around wildly. When someone defends themselves the poor left snowflakes get all precious. It's all engineered bollocks.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 8:13:15 GMT
It's not about Mason. Closing down Parliament at such an important time is awful isn't it? Parliament hasn't sat in september for many many years, they had already voted not too its an extra 4 days or whatever lost which if its so important they will sit at weekends to make up the time, just like they could have cancelled their 6 week holiday, we all know the answer to that of course Its not about parliament being shut down its the fact their wont vote for a deal / wont vote for no deal stalling tactics are over. I think they also should've cancelled their holiday, so I think we're in agreement on that. Look at the timeline of Brexit and you'll see that most of the time has been lost due to government inaction, not Parliament inaction. It was about two-and-a-half years after the referendum that Parliament voted on May's WA for the first time.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 8:14:16 GMT
There you again "deflecting ". It's an opinion! Yes it is an opinion🤗 Momentum's tactics are awful aren't they? And Mason in those clips.... what do you think?
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Post by lommack on Aug 31, 2019 8:20:35 GMT
There you again "deflecting ". It's an opinion! Yes it is an opinion🤗 Momentum's tactics are awful aren't they? And Mason in those clips.... what do you think? I disagree, I think the shutting down of parliament is abhorrent, I think someone like Dominc Cummings being at the heart of government is an offence to democracy. You don't agree, I can live with it. I certainly don't need to trawl through the gutter of the net to prove I'm right Are you a troll?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 8:23:15 GMT
There you again "deflecting ". It's an opinion! Yes it is an opinion🤗 Momentum's tactics are awful aren't they? And Mason in those clips.... what do you think? What do you find so awful by the way? There's lots to disagree with, but there's nothing that awful.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 8:25:45 GMT
Yes it is an opinion🤗 Momentum's tactics are awful aren't they? And Mason in those clips.... what do you think? I disagree, I think the shutting down of parliament is abhorrent, I think someone like Dominc Cummings being at the heart of government is an offence to democracy. You don't agree, I can live with it. I certainly don't need to trawl through the gutter of the net to prove I'm right Are you a troll? I don't think that I am a troll. Can't be sure these days of fake news. But it's not about me. Its about momentum. And Mason in the video clips exemplifies it doesn't he? I apologise that you don't seem to like the truth. But it's not about you.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 8:26:54 GMT
Yes it is an opinion🤗 Momentum's tactics are awful aren't they? And Mason in those clips.... what do you think? What do you find so awful by the way? There's lots to disagree with, but there's nothing that awful. His treatment of Dewberry and his arrogance which exemplifies Momentum and now , unfortunately, Labour.
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Post by lommack on Aug 31, 2019 8:34:12 GMT
I disagree, I think the shutting down of parliament is abhorrent, I think someone like Dominc Cummings being at the heart of government is an offence to democracy. You don't agree, I can live with it. I certainly don't need to trawl through the gutter of the net to prove I'm right Are you a troll? I don't think that I am a troll. Can't be sure these days of fake news. But it's not about me. Its about momentum. And Mason in the video clips exemplifies it doesn't he? I apologise that you don't seem to like the truth. But it's not about you. Again it is about you! You obviously have a right wing agenda which you push on a daily basis, more and more obscure content aimed at stifling discussion and alienating posters that have differing views. Keep up! Definite right wing troll
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 8:36:01 GMT
I don't think that I am a troll. Can't be sure these days of fake news. But it's not about me. Its about momentum. And Mason in the video clips exemplifies it doesn't he? I apologise that you don't seem to like the truth. But it's not about you. Again it is about you! You obviously have a right wing agenda which you push on a daily basis, more and more obscure content aimed at stifling discussion and alienating posters that have differing views. Keep up! Definite right wing troll It's not about me, it's about Momentum. Mason really is a good ( or bad) advert for that isn't he? www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cgrzl8gjggkt/momentum
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 8:41:26 GMT
What do you find so awful by the way? There's lots to disagree with, but there's nothing that awful. His treatment of Dewberry and his arrogance which exemplifies Momentum and now , unfortunately, Labour. If he had put a message you agree with in the same manner, would you still consider it arrogant? He seems as arrogant (or not, depending on your viewpoint) as the likes of Daniel Hannan, who you don't find awful.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 8:44:16 GMT
His treatment of Dewberry and his arrogance which exemplifies Momentum and now , unfortunately, Labour. If he had put a message you agree with in the same manner, would you still consider it arrogant? He seems as arrogant (or not, depending on your viewpoint) as the likes of Daniel Hannan, who you don't find awful. He didn't. And I think that I would. He exemplifies the new arrogant intolerant left unfortunately, in my opinion.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 8:48:10 GMT
If he had put a message you agree with in the same manner, would you still consider it arrogant? He seems as arrogant (or not, depending on your viewpoint) as the likes of Daniel Hannan, who you don't find awful. He didn't. And I think that I would. He exemplifies the new arrogant intolerant left unfortunately, in my opinion. So you found it awful when Farage shouted down a journalist (may have been Andrew Marr if I remember rightly) for asking his opinion on certain policy areas - I think gun control was the first question?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 8:49:59 GMT
He didn't. And I think that I would. He exemplifies the new arrogant intolerant left unfortunately, in my opinion. So you found it awful when Farage shouted down a journalist (may have been Andrew Marr if I remember rightly) for asking his opinion on certain policy areas - I think gun control was the first question? If he did yes it would be wrong. No problem with that. But in my opinion Mason exemplifies an arrogance that has pervaded Labour. Im with Michelle on this
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 8:58:51 GMT
So you found it awful when Farage shouted down a journalist (may have been Andrew Marr if I remember rightly) for asking his opinion on certain policy areas - I think gun control was the first question? If he did yes it would be wrong. No problem with that. But in my opinion Mason exemplifies an arrogance that has pervaded Labour. Im with Michelle on this Actually you said Farage was right to do what he did in the intervew with Marr. Whereas Mason is "awful". For the record, Mason does come across as a bit of an arsehole in this video. As does Farage in his interview with Marr.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 9:14:47 GMT
If he did yes it would be wrong. No problem with that. But in my opinion Mason exemplifies an arrogance that has pervaded Labour. Im with Michelle on this Actually you said Farage was right to do what he did in the intervew with Marr. Whereas Mason is "awful". For the record, Mason does come across as a bit of an arsehole in this video. As does Farage in his interview with Marr. In that case you would have to show me the video again. That's why I started my post with " If" This isn't about Farage as important as he is ( why people seem to come back to him constantly is pretty impressive isn't it?). Mason represents Momentum and his approach is awful as Michelle says. Here's a couple of threads about Farage ( started by Eggy, Essex) if you want to criticise him on there? oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/288341/nigel-farageoatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/288341/nigel-farage
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