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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 9:24:56 GMT
Actually you said Farage was right to do what he did in the intervew with Marr. Whereas Mason is "awful". For the record, Mason does come across as a bit of an arsehole in this video. As does Farage in his interview with Marr. In that case you would have to show me the video again. That's why I started my post with " If" This isn't about Farage as important as he is ( why people seem to come back to him constantly is pretty impressive isn't it?). Mason represents Momentum and his approach is awful as Michelle says. Here's a couple of threads about Farage ( started by Eggy, Essex) if you want to criticise him on there? oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/288341/nigel-farageoatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/288341/nigel-farageI know it's awful when you hear something you don't agree with, but I hope it doesn't spoil your weekend.
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Post by lommack on Aug 31, 2019 9:25:32 GMT
Actually you said Farage was right to do what he did in the intervew with Marr. Whereas Mason is "awful". For the record, Mason does come across as a bit of an arsehole in this video. As does Farage in his interview with Marr. In that case you would have to show me the video again. That's why I started my post with " If" This isn't about Farage as important as he is ( why people seem to come back to him constantly is pretty impressive isn't it?). Mason represents Momentum and his approach is awful as Michelle says. Here's a couple of threads about Farage ( started by Eggy, Essex) if you want to criticise him on there? oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/288341/nigel-farageoatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/288341/nigel-farageHaven't you been fed that particular video?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 9:26:39 GMT
Haven't you been fed that particular video? It's not about me.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 9:27:36 GMT
I know it's awful when you hear something you don't agree with, but I hope it doesn't spoil your weekend. A message board won't affect my weekend whatsoever so don't worry about me. It's not about me.( I guess your comment might say something about you though?)
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Post by lommack on Aug 31, 2019 9:30:32 GMT
Typical troll behaviour "it's not about me"
They are supposedly your opinions, or are you posting what you're told?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 9:30:44 GMT
I know it's awful when you hear something you don't agree with, but I hope it doesn't spoil your weekend. A message board won't affect my weekend whatsoever so don't worry about me. It's not about me.( I guess your comment might say something about you though?) True. It's also not about Mason. But when there is no arguement against the issues, it's always easier to attack the man.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 9:33:58 GMT
A message board won't affect my weekend whatsoever so don't worry about me. It's not about me.( I guess your comment might say something about you though?) True. It's also not about Mason. But when there is no arguement against the issues, it's always easier to attack the man. He is a supporter of Momentum and Michelle refers to such in the video. The arrogance and condescension are exemplified in him.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 31, 2019 10:03:41 GMT
Always wondered who Momentum actually are. There doesn’t seem to be an overt front person aside from Mr C as the head of Labour, but they have the aura of a secretive body..bit like the Mysterons from Captain Scarlet or the Mafia....you kind of know they exist and stuff happens, but you can never pin them down or work out who is the controlling mind.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 10:28:33 GMT
Always wondered who Momentum actually are. There doesn’t seem to be an overt front person aside from Mr C as the head of Labour, but they have the aura of a secretive body..bit like the Mysterons from Captain Scarlet or the Mafia....you kind of know they exist and stuff happens, but you can never pin them down or work out who is the controlling mind. Here's a bit about encouraging involvement www.facebook.com/owenjones84/videos/1665668906859948/( Could be from a fake account... but the video isn't fake) ( Comments on the video might be worth reading)
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2019 10:38:24 GMT
So they campaign on a socialist agenda, making alliances across Europe with socialist groups. We still get a far right Brexit because fatso will still be prime minister. Let see what happens if/ when the government falls But they are losing the votes because they just look like they are trying to overturn a democratic vote. You’re average man won’t look at this and think they are playing a clever game. Why not be honest about your intentions? I do agree I can’t possibly believe Corbyn doesn’t want to leave the EU and at first I thought he’s playing a good game here but now it looks like we’re in the end game and his plan is going tits up? What’s he going to do if there’s a deal and he can’t implement his policies because he’s still bound by certain EU regulations. I’m genuinely interested to know if there’s some kind of master plan I’m not aware of! The last thing Corbyn wants is a deal.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2019 10:46:07 GMT
No I don't think he is, it seems that anyone can say anything about the left of politics, look at the general discourse on here. Terms like Marxist, anti semitic , bullies are thrown around wildly,. When someone defends themselves the poor right snowflakes get all precious. It's all engineered bollocks. And it is about you you're on here every day posting all types of obscure right wing shit to back up your arguments. Try having an opinion and have the confidence to stand by it without trawling the depths of the internet to qualify them A poster on the Brexit thread compared Leavers on the thread to Nazis!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2019 10:51:00 GMT
Haven't you been fed that particular video? It's not about me. Oh, it is, mate. It's laughable how vile they claim the "far right" to be, while trying to stamp on any opposition. It very often gets personal. There is zero defence for Labour's position on Brexit, so they attack in order to deflect from that.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 31, 2019 11:08:08 GMT
Oh, it is, mate. It's laughable how vile they claim the "far right" to be, while trying to stamp on any opposition. It very often gets personal. There is zero defence for Labour's position on Brexit, so they attack in order to deflect from that. There is absolutely zero defence for the Torys entire Brexit debacle. They’re bombing our country into the stoneage 💣
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 31, 2019 11:12:21 GMT
No I don't think he is, it seems that anyone can say anything about the left of politics, look at the general discourse on here. Terms like Marxist, anti semitic , bullies are thrown around wildly,. When someone defends themselves the poor right snowflakes get all precious. It's all engineered bollocks. And it is about you you're on here every day posting all types of obscure right wing shit to back up your arguments. Try having an opinion and have the confidence to stand by it without trawling the depths of the internet to qualify them A poster on the Brexit thread compared Leavers on the thread to Nazis! I loved Will Selfs line. Not everyone who voted leave are racist, anti semitic, xenophobes, but all the racist, anti semitic, xenophobes did
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2019 11:16:32 GMT
A poster on the Brexit thread compared Leavers on the thread to Nazis! I loved Will Selfs line. Not everyone who voted leave are racist, anti semitic, xenophobes, but all the racist, anti semitic, xenophobes did Another vile toad. Clever bloke, though. I can't remember anti semitism being mentioned during the referendum debates?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 11:23:30 GMT
A message board won't affect my weekend whatsoever so don't worry about me. It's not about me.( I guess your comment might say something about you though?) True. It's also not about Mason. But when there is no arguement against the issues, it's always easier to attack the man. Like the constant attacks on Farage you mean? Or Lammy comparing a Brexit Party comprised of various ethnicities with a group who killed millions? Or hypocrites such as Soubry crying over being called a Nazi and then applauding weeks later when she shared a platform with the previously mentioned Lammy who was using the same slur on others?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 11:24:35 GMT
A poster on the Brexit thread compared Leavers on the thread to Nazis! I loved Will Selfs line. Not everyone who voted leave are racist, anti semitic, xenophobes, but all the racist, anti semitic, xenophobes did He's a dirty smackhead.
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Post by serpico on Aug 31, 2019 11:33:04 GMT
A poster on the Brexit thread compared Leavers on the thread to Nazis! I loved Will Selfs line. Not everyone who voted leave are racist, anti semitic, xenophobes, but all the racist, anti semitic, xenophobes did The Eu actually pays dictatorships to keep black refugees out of Europe, so maybe they voted the wrong way ?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 11:52:55 GMT
I loved Will Selfs line. Not everyone who voted leave are racist, anti semitic, xenophobes, but all the racist, anti semitic, xenophobes did Another vile toad. Clever bloke, though. I can't remember anti semitism being mentioned during the referendum debates? He was shit on Shooting Stars.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 31, 2019 12:04:53 GMT
I loved Will Selfs line. Not everyone who voted leave are racist, anti semitic, xenophobes, but all the racist, anti semitic, xenophobes did The Eu actually pays dictatorships to keep black refugees out of Europe, so maybe they voted the wrong way ? Maybe you did...
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 12:21:46 GMT
The Eu actually pays dictatorships to keep black refugees out of Europe, so maybe they voted the wrong way ? Maybe you did... Playing the man. Lee Cattermole would've been proud of that one.
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Post by serpico on Aug 31, 2019 12:36:29 GMT
i Think the whole “they didn’t know what they were voting for” line is total projection by the remoaners, it’s clear they don’t know what the eu actually stands for, they’re no friend of the left. It’s very much a corporatist, banker friendly institution, it’s not trade union friendly, pays 3rd world dictatorships to prevent refugees from travelling to Europe, it’s implemented austerity measures in places like Greece, youth unemployment is sky high across many Eu nations and it prevents nationalisation of certain industries such as the railways and energy.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 13:23:02 GMT
This Labour stalwart doesn't belong in momentum controlled Labour. Forced out through tactics of hate. ..,,........... According to party sources, there has been a "Momentum takeover" of the Birkenhead Constituency Labour Party (CLP), which has seen top Wirral councillors lose their positions on its ruling executive committee www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/corbyn-supporters-gain-complete-control-15224147............ Mr Field sensationally resigned the whip last week to serve as an independent Labour MP as he blamed Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour Party being governed by “a culture of intolerance, nastiness and intimidation” as the row over anti-semitism escalated. www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/16689261.death-threats-made-to-birkenhead-mp-frank-field/( He's correct about it being similar to Militant Tendency, when I joined Labour in the 1980s I was accused of being a member!)
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 13:50:07 GMT
True. It's also not about Mason. But when there is no arguement against the issues, it's always easier to attack the man. Like the constant attacks on Farage you mean? Or Lammy comparing a Brexit Party comprised of various ethnicities with a group who killed millions? Or hypocrites such as Soubry crying over being called a Nazi and then applauding weeks later when she shared a platform with the previously mentioned Lammy who was using the same slur on others? What attacks on Farage? For the other two yes, similar to those examples. And like any politician who is Remain being compared Nazi sympathisers on the Brexit thread, or anyone condoning Owen Jones getting a kicking because they don't like his opinion. All good examples.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2019 13:57:47 GMT
Like the constant attacks on Farage you mean? Or Lammy comparing a Brexit Party comprised of various ethnicities with a group who killed millions? Or hypocrites such as Soubry crying over being called a Nazi and then applauding weeks later when she shared a platform with the previously mentioned Lammy who was using the same slur on others? What attacks on Farage? For the other two yes, similar to those examples. And like any politician who is Remain being compared Nazi sympathisers on the Brexit thread, or anyone condoning Owen Jones getting a kicking because they don't like his opinion. All good examples. Hardly a kicking, Rip. Unless Diouf was doing it?
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2019 14:04:03 GMT
Parliament hasn't sat in september for many many years, they had already voted not too its an extra 4 days or whatever lost which if its so important they will sit at weekends to make up the time, just like they could have cancelled their 6 week holiday, we all know the answer to that of course Its not about parliament being shut down its the fact their wont vote for a deal / wont vote for no deal stalling tactics are over. I think they also should've cancelled their holiday, so I think we're in agreement on that. Look at the timeline of Brexit and you'll see that most of the time has been lost due to government inaction, not Parliament inaction. It was about two-and-a-half years after the referendum that Parliament voted on May's WA for the first time. Sure May was woeful but that WA was pretty much everything Labour asked for and they voted against it, in those 2.5 years nothing to stop the house of commons agreeing on on what type of brexit they did want without a vote, the truth is of course they don't want any sort of brexit, hence the stalling, procedural game playing and the crying over 4 lost days as they suddenly realise no more delaying after 31/10. Lets see if they sit next weekend to make up time we all know the answer to this.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 14:05:32 GMT
Like the constant attacks on Farage you mean? Or Lammy comparing a Brexit Party comprised of various ethnicities with a group who killed millions? Or hypocrites such as Soubry crying over being called a Nazi and then applauding weeks later when she shared a platform with the previously mentioned Lammy who was using the same slur on others? What attacks on Farage? For the other two yes, similar to those examples. And like any politician who is Remain being compared Nazi sympathisers on the Brexit thread, or anyone condoning Owen Jones getting a kicking because they don't like his opinion. All good examples. I don't think anyone's condoned the attack on OJ (which has yet to be proven to be committed by right wing elements by the way), but I won't deny that there's a certain amount of schadenfreude at play. Especially if you associate yourself with people like McDonnell who has openly supported violence to achieve their goals on numerous occasions. If you don't like fire, don't knock about with a matchbox salesman.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 16:04:12 GMT
What attacks on Farage? For the other two yes, similar to those examples. And like any politician who is Remain being compared Nazi sympathisers on the Brexit thread, or anyone condoning Owen Jones getting a kicking because they don't like his opinion. All good examples. Hardly a kicking, Rip. Unless Diouf was doing it? An assault then. Whatever you want to call it, it's more aggresive than, say, chucking a milkshake at someone.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 31, 2019 16:12:29 GMT
I think they also should've cancelled their holiday, so I think we're in agreement on that. Look at the timeline of Brexit and you'll see that most of the time has been lost due to government inaction, not Parliament inaction. It was about two-and-a-half years after the referendum that Parliament voted on May's WA for the first time. Sure May was woeful but that WA was pretty much everything Labour asked for and they voted against it, in those 2.5 years nothing to stop the house of commons agreeing on on what type of brexit they did want without a vote, the truth is of course they don't want any sort of brexit, hence the stalling, procedural game playing and the crying over 4 lost days as they suddenly realise no more delaying after 31/10. Lets see if they sit next weekend to make up time we all know the answer to this. Parliament had no control over May's negotiations. They had no power to vote on anything until the government's deal was brought before them. They wouldn't have even had that power if Gina Miller hadn't won her case. I'm assuming they'll need consent from someone (the government maybe?) to be able to sit at the weekend. They can't just rock up and talk between themselves, as that is not parliament.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 1, 2019 17:58:54 GMT
Still baffles me because they don’t even make a case for it. Seems like a bunch of kids that haven’t done their homework on what socialism is... I’m not a socialist but if I was I’d want out of the Eu, they’re no friend of trade unions, their workers rights aren’t much to write home about and they prevent nationalisation (not across the board) it’s also very much a friend of the corporations they supposedly hate so much! As I say, I think many on the left have allowed their hatred of Tories and the likes of Farage to instruct their position on the eu. That serps is spot on. The working class left voted leave. The liberal middle class left voted stay. In my opinion Corbyn thinks it’s the middle class centre left that will get him elected as PM which is why he had his epiphany and now loves the EU But the middle class centre left are more likely to change their vote than the thick dyed in the wool “always vote labour” working class. Corbyn keeps backing the wrong horse
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