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Post by louis11 on Aug 22, 2019 19:08:49 GMT
Why would anyone believe a word Jones says? The bloke is a walking contradiction. Get him gone. I have been thinking of a description for him and that sums him up completely. What he says is opposite to what he achieves
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Post by serpico on Aug 22, 2019 19:21:19 GMT
Where I would cut him some slack is the fact that half of our goals conceded have come from unnecessary mistakes, Butland has cost us 4 goals, etebo’s slack pass cost us a goal last night, you can’t blame jones for butlands mistakes but you can blame him if he persists in picking him. Every single goal conceded by any team can be analyzed and a reason found / person blamed. just watch Sky TV BT sport . Fact is we have won 4 games in 30 and none in 10...someone has to go and unfortunately it is the man who picks the team... Im only saying Cut him some slack not totally absolve him. I don’t see how you can blame jones for butland not making routine saves.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 22, 2019 19:24:17 GMT
Its fairly clear, what with recent revelations from former players, that we have had a major problem with players and their attitudes. They have managed to effectively throw a number of managers under the bus including Hughes, Lambert (Less so towards the end), Rowett and now that seems to be, Jones. Jones felt he had cracked it after a difficult bedding in period but then a summer to move some. out and some in. However, it is evident that when the going gets a little tough, we still have elements of the team that basically have little fight in them and are happy to pick up their pay cheques at the end of each week. The attitude of the players will not change by once again changing the manager. We have tried that and we are where we are. For me, as fans, as a board we must firmly get behind Jones and back him to root out the bad apples in our squad to help support him getting what he wants and what we want which is a team to be proud of. Perhaps he has been premature in selling us that type of side and his faith was somewhat presumptuous. However, it is clear he still has lots to do in this area and I for one hope he has the stomach for it and we have the patience for it. It took him 6 months of a fairly coherent, low ability squad at Luton to get the team firing. He spent the first 4 months of his time here sorting out the shit and planning a way to help us get points. This could take one or 2 more windows, maybe 3 but I really think he will deliver for us in the long term. It took Daniel Farke 3 years at Norwich to implement his ideas, again, with a fairly malleable squad. The players are the common denominator here and its time we backed the manager - and let him know and the players know - that we are behind him. NATHAN JONES BARMY ARMY!!!!!! SGS I am really struggling to find anything to back your thread. A manager is quote "a person responsible for controlling or administering an organization or group of staff", Nathan Jones should not have any bad apples at this football club otherwise they wouldn't be playing or would be sold...He has been manager for 8 months ..He alone is responsible ...we have a squad of 32 players...Moritz Bauer/Bruno Martins/Kevin Wimmer/ Imbula/N`Diaye/Diouff are the only ones I can think of not considered...3 are here 3 are not so please tell us who are the bad eggs ? who are supposed to be wrecking our club...who picks the team/ who dictates the formation/he has been found out..i would give any manager the chance but his has passed And as the CEO is the most senior manager and also a common denominator over and above all of our recent failed team managers, it is only right that he is held accountable.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 22, 2019 19:28:54 GMT
Every single goal conceded by any team can be analyzed and a reason found / person blamed. just watch Sky TV BT sport . Fact is we have won 4 games in 30 and none in 10...someone has to go and unfortunately it is the man who picks the team... Im only saying Cut him some slack not totally obsolve him. I don’t see how you can blame jones for butland not making routine saves. Butland completely destroyed the momentum we were building again. Maybe he needs to start sorting out his defence too. He played like someone who has an issue or was match fixing. Yet again he seemed to have a defender in his line of view on a goal, once i can understand do it again and its poor positioning or your hiding.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 22, 2019 19:30:34 GMT
Well if he starts either Butland or Allen on Saturday or even both he leaves himself wide open to anything that he gets! It's his head and cv on the block.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 19:31:26 GMT
Why would anyone believe a word Jones says? The bloke is a walking contradiction. Get him gone. I have been thinking of a description for him and that sums him up completely. What he says is opposite to what he achieves
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Post by Roger Everyone on Aug 22, 2019 19:36:50 GMT
We need to stick with him, like other have said on here if he goes it's back to square one. Another manager in who has a lot of players he didn't ask for to try and get playing. I always said and still think we should have stuck with Rowett. I think we would have progressed further than we have now if we had, but that's in the past. Sack NJ and who is going to come in ? I do wish we would explore abroad for some players once in a while.
Big sam..no thanks
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Post by march4 on Aug 22, 2019 19:38:02 GMT
We have won 3 games in half a season.
We are now conceding at least two goals every game and look like we are in line for a real battering in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 19:48:01 GMT
overall there has been progress In what meaningful way has there been progress? If you leave out all the Jones smart talk I can't see that there has been any. Though he has more time as far as I'm concerned. But it's more that I dread the consequences of bringing in another manager, any manager, who'll rid the club of the players we've just signed, than it's an absolute belief that he can make anything out of the mess he, and we, are in.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 22, 2019 19:55:22 GMT
overall there has been progress In what meaningful way has there been progress? If you leave out all the Jones smart talk I can't see that there has been any. Though he has more time as far as I'm concerned. But it's more that I dread the consequences of bringing in another manager, any manager, who'll rid the club of the players we've just signed, than it's an absolute belief that he can make anything out of the mess he, and we, are in. The performances have been there, its silly mistakes costing us. We need to learn and learn quickly to cut them out, but there is every possibility we can turn this around. We just need a win and some momentum to build some confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:00:34 GMT
In what meaningful way has there been progress? If you leave out all the Jones smart talk I can't see that there has been any. Though he has more time as far as I'm concerned. But it's more that I dread the consequences of bringing in another manager, any manager, who'll rid the club of the players we've just signed, than it's an absolute belief that he can make anything out of the mess he, and we, are in. The performances have been there, its silly mistakes costing us. We need to learn and learn quickly to cut them out, but there is every possibility we can turn this around. We just need a win and some momentum to build some confidence. That's exactly what I said. Everything you say is, word for word, quotes from Jones' pressers. Leave out his smarttalk and there's nothing. No character, no confidence, no belief that we can actually turn anything around if we go a goal behind, as we have every game. We need more than a win, we need a completely new structure and backbone, and I don't know where that's going to come from.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Aug 22, 2019 20:02:09 GMT
In what meaningful way has there been progress? If you leave out all the Jones smart talk I can't see that there has been any. Though he has more time as far as I'm concerned. But it's more that I dread the consequences of bringing in another manager, any manager, who'll rid the club of the players we've just signed, than it's an absolute belief that he can make anything out of the mess he, and we, are in. The performances have been there, its silly mistakes costing us. We need to learn and learn quickly to cut them out, but there is every possibility we can turn this around. We just need a win and some momentum to build some confidence. We had a win at Wigan We then put together 20 mins either side of half time v Derby All looking ok ANd then we put in that show against Preston That was not a blip but back to norm We juest need a win arguement clearly has no substance
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 22, 2019 20:05:09 GMT
Yeah. I saw his quotes. Haven't got a clue who he's on about. Anyone who's in the squad now is one of the 12 brought in by him ("we don't make mistakes in recruitment") Or is one of the ones he monitored during the last 4 months of last season and pre-season and has escaped the mass sifting process and is one he's decided passes the Jones character test. He now seems to be moving the goalposts. If there are still issues in the squad, I think we've got to conclude they're on him. There is a 3rd option. Would have got rid of but had no offers/ would have lost the dressing room completely. I’m talking about Butland, allen, Ince, afobe, indi, federici(?)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:08:21 GMT
If the Pizza boys are not "sounding out" the managerial market at this very minute, they are failing in their duty.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 22, 2019 20:12:53 GMT
The fans are as fragile as the players. We had 3 games in a week where we looked like we're making progress and as soon as we put out one poor performance it's panic stations and the whole world is black.
Give it time.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 22, 2019 20:14:38 GMT
Yeah. I saw his quotes. Haven't got a clue who he's on about. Anyone who's in the squad now is one of the 12 brought in by him ("we don't make mistakes in recruitment") Or is one of the ones he monitored during the last 4 months of last season and pre-season and has escaped the mass sifting process and is one he's decided passes the Jones character test. He now seems to be moving the goalposts. If there are still issues in the squad, I think we've got to conclude they're on him. There is a 3rd option. Would have got rid of but had no offers/ would have lost the dressing room completely. I’m talking about Butland, allen, Ince, afobe, indi, federici(?) Maybe. Not sure how many you could really squeeze into that category though? Afobe is gone now Federici is seemingly ahead of one of his new signings in the pecking order and never heard any whiff of problems BMI is completely out of the picture now and is effectively in the bomb squad. Jones always goes out of his way to speak about Butland and Allen as outstanding pros too Ince maybe? But he's one who hasn't been relegated to the fringes, but has instead played a central role. Woods? But again Jones seems happy to have rehabilitated him I just think it's too easy to to question their professionalism after he's already weeded half a squad out - and suggest we've somehow drawn the short straw and hit on a second lot of wankers having sifted out Choupo, Jese, Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino etc.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 22, 2019 20:19:47 GMT
This search for the remaining "bad eggs" is utterly pointless. We're just shit and/or utterly clueless, this situation imo has nothing to do with attitudes (barring Butlands complete meltdown)
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 22, 2019 20:30:32 GMT
Its fairly clear, what with recent revelations from former players, that we have had a major problem with players and their attitudes. They have managed to effectively throw a number of managers under the bus including Hughes, Lambert (Less so towards the end), Rowett and now that seems to be, Jones. Jones felt he had cracked it after a difficult bedding in period but then a summer to move some. out and some in. However, it is evident that when the going gets a little tough, we still have elements of the team that basically have little fight in them and are happy to pick up their pay cheques at the end of each week. The attitude of the players will not change by once again changing the manager. We have tried that and we are where we are. For me, as fans, as a board we must firmly get behind Jones and back him to root out the bad apples in our squad to help support him getting what he wants and what we want which is a team to be proud of. Perhaps he has been premature in selling us that type of side and his faith was somewhat presumptuous. However, it is clear he still has lots to do in this area and I for one hope he has the stomach for it and we have the patience for it. It took him 6 months of a fairly coherent, low ability squad at Luton to get the team firing. He spent the first 4 months of his time here sorting out the shit and planning a way to help us get points. This could take one or 2 more windows, maybe 3 but I really think he will deliver for us in the long term. It took Daniel Farke 3 years at Norwich to implement his ideas, again, with a fairly malleable squad. The players are the common denominator here and its time we backed the manager - and let him know and the players know - that we are behind him. NATHAN JONES BARMY ARMY!!!!!! SGS Couldn't agree more Surely the real question is "how many Sneyd Green Stokies are there?" And "how many are in agreement?" Not in an existential sense, ie how many people living in SG (or from SG) are Stokies. But how many are registered and post on here? "I am Spartacus..."...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:35:57 GMT
This search for the remaining "bad eggs" is utterly pointless. We're just shit and/or utterly clueless, this situation imo has nothing to do with attitudes (barring Butlands complete meltdown) It doesn't have to be bomb squad type bad eggs does it? What if the senior players are just poor leaders and in bad form? What if the other players are looking around the dressing room, and up to the likes of Allen and Butland, for example, and all they see is two senior players that are underperforming and not bona fide leader types? Chuck Batth into that hat too. The only time we've won a game this season is when all three of them were out of the dressing room and in the stands. Coincidence?
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Post by neddy on Aug 22, 2019 20:40:08 GMT
He has to be given a few more games but if we keep losing the end becomes inevitable?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:41:20 GMT
This search for the remaining "bad eggs" is utterly pointless. We're just shit and/or utterly clueless, this situation imo has nothing to do with attitudes (barring Butlands complete meltdown) It doesn't have to be bomb squad type bad eggs does it? What if the senior players are just poor leaders and in bad form? What if the other players are looking around the dressing room, and up to the likes of Allen and Butland, for example, and all they see is two senior players that are underperforming and not bona fide leader types? Chuck Batth into that hat too. The only time we've won a game this season is when all three of them were out of the dressing room and in the stands. Coincidence? That’s not what he’s said though. He’s talking about bad attitude and players don’t want to be here. Not people underperforming. I’m sure someone will find you his exact words he said yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:44:39 GMT
It doesn't have to be bomb squad type bad eggs does it? What if the senior players are just poor leaders and in bad form? What if the other players are looking around the dressing room, and up to the likes of Allen and Butland, for example, and all they see is two senior players that are underperforming and not bona fide leader types? Chuck Batth into that hat too. The only time we've won a game this season is when all three of them were out of the dressing room and in the stands. Coincidence? That’s not what he’s said though. He’s talking about bad attitude and players don’t want to be here. Not people underperforming. I’m sure someone will find you his exact words he said yesterday. Who's 'he'? I'm not aware of any comments. I was responding to a poster and a particular point he was making.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 22, 2019 20:47:19 GMT
That’s not what he’s said though. He’s talking about bad attitude and players don’t want to be here. Not people underperforming. I’m sure someone will find you his exact words he said yesterday. Who's 'he'? I'm not aware of any comments. I was responding to a poster and a particular point he was making. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-preston-jones-butland-3236855"Since I’ve come here there’s been a hangover of players wanting to leave, players thinking they are proper players, players wanting to go and play in Europe, players thinking of their international careers.
"There hasn’t been a group here together who wants to play and focus and win games for Stoke City, that’s a problem.
"I thought we made big strides in that, but evidently we haven’t.”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:49:33 GMT
Who's 'he'? I'm not aware of any comments. I was responding to a poster and a particular point he was making. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-preston-jones-butland-3236855"Since I’ve come here there’s been a hangover of players wanting to leave, players thinking they are proper players, players wanting to go and play in Europe, players thinking of their international careers.
"There hasn’t been a group here together who wants to play and focus and win games for Stoke City, that’s a problem.
"I thought we made big strides in that, but evidently we haven’t.”Cheers. Missed that. Interesting. Ironically, the two players I mentioned fall into that category.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:49:55 GMT
That’s not what he’s said though. He’s talking about bad attitude and players don’t want to be here. Not people underperforming. I’m sure someone will find you his exact words he said yesterday. Who's 'he'? I'm not aware of any comments. I was responding to a poster and a particular point he was making. Jones. The bad eggs stuff is lol coming from this: “Since I’ve come here there’s been a hangover of players wanting to leave, players thinking they are proper players, players wanting to go and play in Europe, players thinking of their international careers,” "There hasn’t been a group here together who wants to play and focus and win games for Stoke City, that’s a problem. I thought we made big strides in that, but evidently we haven’t.”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 20:50:31 GMT
Who's 'he'? I'm not aware of any comments. I was responding to a poster and a particular point he was making. Jones. The bad eggs stuff is lol coming from this: “Since I’ve come here there’s been a hangover of players wanting to leave, players thinking they are proper players, players wanting to go and play in Europe, players thinking of their international careers,” "There hasn’t been a group here together who wants to play and focus and win games for Stoke City, that’s a problem. I thought we made big strides in that, but evidently we haven’t.” I was a bit late but I was trying at least to be a helpful troll this evening... Thank you FullerMagic!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 22, 2019 20:51:03 GMT
This search for the remaining "bad eggs" is utterly pointless. We're just shit and/or utterly clueless, this situation imo has nothing to do with attitudes (barring Butlands complete meltdown) It doesn't have to be bomb squad type bad eggs does it? What if the senior players are just poor leaders and in bad form? What if the other players are looking around the dressing room, and up to the likes of Allen and Butland, for example, and all they see is two senior players that are underperforming and not bona fide leader types? Chuck Batth into that hat too. The only time we've won a game this season is when all three of them were out of the dressing room and in the stands. Coincidence? The manager is clueless pal, dress it up how you want I'm done defending him.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 22, 2019 21:19:42 GMT
There is a 3rd option. Would have got rid of but had no offers/ would have lost the dressing room completely. I’m talking about Butland, allen, Ince, afobe, indi, federici(?) Maybe. Not sure how many you could really squeeze into that category though? Afobe is gone now Federici is seemingly ahead of one of his new signings in the pecking order and never heard any whiff of problems BMI is completely out of the picture now and is effectively in the bomb squad. Jones always goes out of his way to speak about Butland and Allen as outstanding pros too Ince maybe? But he's one who hasn't been relegated to the fringes, but has instead played a central role. Woods? But again Jones seems happy to have rehabilitated him I just think it's too easy to to question their professionalism after he's already weeded half a squad out - and suggest we've somehow drawn the short straw and hit on a second lot of wankers having sifted out Choupo, Jese, Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino etc. The reference to Europe would say Badou too I can’t look past Butland and allen. Our two ‘Crown Jewels’ underperforming so badly. Wasn’t there a rumour not long before Davies signed that federici wanted out to play first team football. Woods maybe his personal problems aren’t completely being him? I don’t know what to think anymore, just completely apathetic to the whole thing now.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 22, 2019 21:20:30 GMT
Nathan jones red and white army.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 22, 2019 21:41:54 GMT
Who are these problem players though? It's a completely new squad from the relegation team. It's a totally different dressing room from May 2018. And Jones himself has added 12 players. He's ditched ten completely - anyone he thought was a problem was summarily dumped into the bomb squad. And BMI has now effectively joined their ranks. Only Allen, Butland and Shawcross remain - and I don't think anyone has ever suggested any of that lot are anything but good pros. Well butter fingers butland has been throwing the ball into his own net every game this season.
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