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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 22:00:40 GMT
To me it’s like two sides of the same coin. I think back to him talking about managing Barcelona when he first joined and at the time didn’t think much of it but now I just think it’s arrogance and he’s genuinely deluded. I just hope I’m wrong. A lot of what he does seems naive and being so he’ll bent on this diamond without the players just seems daft. Before his fuck up the diamond was working fine, he just needs to be braver in his team selection like he was with dropping Vokes, we know it didn't work against QPR but it's still a big call to drop your big striker signing. It wasn’t working fine. We had conceded and it was creating nothing in the first half. Ince’s goal came from a long ball from Butland. It looks pretty but achieved the square root of naff all.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 12, 2019 22:09:55 GMT
I must admit I was starting to waver more out of despondency then anything else however, today’s press conference has brought be back round. He’s flat out admitted he shouldn’t have taken woods off, then explained why he did it, then said if he could do it all again he wouldn’t make the sub. Fair play Nathan Jones, you have certainly got the backing from me, and I believe you will turn this around. It was honest, but I don’t doubt NJs integrity. I just wonder if his mistake dawned at the time or reading the oatcake on the bus home.
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Post by RAF on Aug 12, 2019 22:12:41 GMT
I must admit I was starting to waver more out of despondency then anything else however, today’s press conference has brought be back round. He’s flat out admitted he shouldn’t have taken woods off, then explained why he did it, then said if he could do it all again he wouldn’t make the sub. Fair play Nathan Jones, you have certainly got the backing from me, and I believe you will turn this around. It was honest, but I don’t doubt NJs integrity. I just wonder if his mistake dawned at the time or reading the oatcake on the bus home. We should get TP back purely for his excuses alone. H
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 12, 2019 22:18:33 GMT
I must admit I was starting to waver more out of despondency then anything else however, today’s press conference has brought be back round. He’s flat out admitted he shouldn’t have taken woods off, then explained why he did it, then said if he could do it all again he wouldn’t make the sub. Fair play Nathan Jones, you have certainly got the backing from me, and I believe you will turn this around. how many mistakes are we going to allow him...he states 1 but his team selection has only won 3 games...in 23...cmon..you cant sooth pain with sympathy His team selection last season was more about finding out about the players he had and what they could do than about winning games. He tried different players, including Bojan, he brought in young players (or back in the case of Edwards rather than Bauer), and he tried players in different positions (Ince and McClean). He also stopped using players that he did not see fitting into his long term plan like Fletcher, Diouf, and Pieters. I'm not saying he did not try and win matches and he certainly would not publicly admit it, but the team selections clearly demonstrated the priority was getting a clear idea of the potential of all the players. In the long term I believe this will work in our favour. He had almost half a season to look at players and understand their capabilities and determine their potential. Unlike Lambert who had to make an instant decision on which players to go with as we were in deep relegation trouble. We have got off 24 shots in the first 2 games, 12 a match is significantly more than most matches last season. It is not Jones fault the players are not hitting the target, it is down to the players ability, form, and confidence.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2019 22:20:16 GMT
One sub didn't cause us to lose. It is a group of gutless charlatans with no passion, desire or game intelligence. We are also a one paced bag of shit. Fucking shit in every way, after another fucking shit transfer window where once again we've totally ignored all the reasons why we are fucking relentlessly bastarding shit. Looking forward to another season void of any sort of joy, and every fucking weekend tinged with the disappointment of our endless shittyness Not sure about that, Woods was running things for us, as soon as he went off they had the freedom of the midfield and made a huge difference, it's no coincidence the game completely changed when he was subed.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 12, 2019 22:21:03 GMT
Talk is fucking cheap, it's results we want, stop talking and get winning. Gouranga.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 12, 2019 22:22:14 GMT
Before his fuck up the diamond was working fine, he just needs to be braver in his team selection like he was with dropping Vokes, we know it didn't work against QPR but it's still a big call to drop your big striker signing. It wasn’t working fine. We had conceded and it was creating nothing in the first half. Ince’s goal came from a long ball from Butland. It looks pretty but achieved the square root of naff all. I think you need to watch the recording of the match and review that statement, unless hitting the woodwork is creating nothing in your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 22:23:24 GMT
It wasn’t working fine. We had conceded and it was creating nothing in the first half. Ince’s goal came from a long ball from Butland. It looks pretty but achieved the square root of naff all. I think you need to watch the recording of the match and review that statement, unless hitting the woodwork is creating nothing in your opinion. Great. Hogan hit the woodwork once. Long live the diamond.
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Post by callas12 on Aug 12, 2019 23:08:38 GMT
Jones admitting to his mistake by subbing Woods off on Saturday with the aim of pushing for the win is commendable but knowing this change was going to be a gamble shouldn't the old experienced head of Paul Hart not pursuded Jones to tinker with something that was clearly working at the time he made the change?! That's his job to assist the inexperience of Jones in these type of situations at this level. I get that he may have done & it is always going to be Jones making the final call but it was clear for everyone sat in that ground prior to bringing Woods off that we were on top of that game & the chances were rolling in for us & if anyone was going to score it was Stoke. I really did think we were going to nick a winner! Does concern me somewhat that someone of Harts experience may have approved or even suggested making this change.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 23:34:54 GMT
One sub didn't cause us to lose. It is a group of gutless charlatans with no passion, desire or game intelligence. We are also a one paced bag of shit. Fucking shit in every way, after another fucking shit transfer window where once again we've totally ignored all the reasons why we are fucking relentlessly bastarding shit. Looking forward to another season void of any sort of joy, and every fucking weekend tinged with the disappointment of our endless shittyness I have to say that my enthusiasm for Stoke has taken a massive dip over recent months. "How on earth did we end up here" - I often ask myself. But reading your post, I have quite a way to go to reach your state. I am not knocking you by the way. You feel as you do, and you are perfectly entitled to do that. I am no better than you, to feel differently.
I do actually believe that this will turn out to be a good season for us. Good enough to reach play offs, I'm not sure. We could win the League.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2019 23:51:15 GMT
Before his fuck up the diamond was working fine, he just needs to be braver in his team selection like he was with dropping Vokes, we know it didn't work against QPR but it's still a big call to drop your big striker signing. It wasn’t working fine. We had conceded and it was creating nothing in the first half. Ince’s goal came from a long ball from Butland. It looks pretty but achieved the square root of naff all. You watched a different game.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2019 23:53:36 GMT
I think you need to watch the recording of the match and review that statement, unless hitting the woodwork is creating nothing in your opinion. Great. Hogan hit the woodwork once. Long live the diamond. For better finishing/a little luck we could have been 3/4 up, you're completely ignoring what happened in the game.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 13, 2019 0:27:29 GMT
I like the bloke. I like his passion, his hunger. I’m also prepared to give him time with this new look squad. His squad. I think we’ll make the play offs but just miss out at the final hurdle this time around. But we all, eventually will see a massive improvement and hopefully the club will galvanise and be united again. Yes, yes I know about his record last season but I’m judging him now and this season. Who's going to score the amount of goals required to get into the play offs? (70 goals) ? Genuine question.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 13, 2019 1:40:53 GMT
The problem is it's not the first time he's made weird substitutions in games and lost us points. He gives me the impression sometimes that he isn't really sure what to do with this squad and sometimes makes changes for change's sake and doesn't really have a clear idea why he's doing it. Or he does have an idea, but those ideas are simply not very good.
I hope I'm wrong and we're now on the tipping point of an upturn in fortunes. There were certainly good signs on Saturday. I just have a sneaking suspicion that he's a naive, reactionary manager who panics in games and almost tries too hard to get it right and ends up messing up in the process. I don't doubt his passion and enthusiasm. I just wonder if he's actually good enough?
I hope he proves me wrong. I like the guy and if he does well he has the personality to become a bit of a legend. A genuinely likeable guy.
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 13, 2019 1:49:50 GMT
LOL
During & After matches "Fuckin Jones this, Fucking Jones that......clueless twat, out of his depth.......fuck him off"
After every interview "oh bless him"
He'd be fantastic on a car yard
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 13, 2019 4:41:05 GMT
I like the bloke. I like his passion, his hunger. I’m also prepared to give him time with this new look squad. His squad. I think we’ll make the play offs but just miss out at the final hurdle this time around. But we all, eventually will see a massive improvement and hopefully the club will galvanise and be united again. Yes, yes I know about his record last season but I’m judging him now and this season. Who's going to score the amount of goals required to get into the play offs? (70 goals) ? Genuine question. My worry is will we score enough avoid relegation 🤷♂️
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 4:58:46 GMT
It is not Jones fault the players are not hitting the target, it is down to the players ability, form, and confidence. It is down to him though to select/buy players that are regular goalscorers. Hogan and Gregory came on the cheap and there is a reason why. They simply don't score very often.
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Post by orfyboothen on Aug 13, 2019 5:56:41 GMT
Talk is fucking cheap, it's results we want, stop talking and get winning. Gouranga. How is he supposed to do those 2 things during a press conference he is obliged to take part in?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 6:37:02 GMT
Great. Hogan hit the woodwork once. Long live the diamond. For better finishing/a little luck we could have been 3/4 up, you're completely ignoring what happened in the game. Saved for the fact everything else was saved or defended and Charlton has enough players back to deal with the majority of it. I did ignore anything and there were plenty of people saying the same. It’s far too slow with our players. It can’t break a team down and it too easy for them to get back.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 13, 2019 6:37:31 GMT
It is not Jones fault the players are not hitting the target, it is down to the players ability, form, and confidence. It is down to him though to select/buy players that are regular goalscorers. Hogan and Gregory came on the cheap and there is a reason why. They simply don't score very often. The reason why Gregory came cheap is that he ran his contract down.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 13, 2019 6:38:23 GMT
I really enjoyed listening to that press conference. He's in it for the long haul. OMG
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Post by shipshape on Aug 13, 2019 6:57:35 GMT
One sub didn't cause us to lose. It is a group of gutless charlatans with no passion, desire or game intelligence. We are also a one paced bag of shit. Fucking shit in every way, after another fucking shit transfer window where once again we've totally ignored all the reasons why we are fucking relentlessly bastarding shit. Looking forward to another season void of any sort of joy, and every fucking weekend tinged with the disappointment of our endless shittyness I have to say that my enthusiasm for Stoke has taken a massive dip over recent months. "How on earth did we end up here" - I often ask myself. But reading your post, I have quite a way to go to reach your state. I am not knocking you by the way. You feel as you do, and you are perfectly entitled to do that. I am no better than you, to feel differently. I do actually believe that this will turn out to be a good season for us. Good enough to reach play offs, I'm not sure. We could win the League.
That's how most people feel. But it doesn't attract attention.
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Post by westgatelakes on Aug 13, 2019 7:04:16 GMT
It is not Jones fault the players are not hitting the target, it is down to the players ability, form, and confidence. It is down to him though to select/buy players that are regular goalscorers. Hogan and Gregory came on the cheap and there is a reason why. They simply don't score very often. Afobe & Berahino cost over £25m between them and didn't score very often either !
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 13, 2019 7:07:07 GMT
Who's going to score the amount of goals required to get into the play offs? (70 goals) ? Genuine question. My worry is will we score enough avoid relegation 🤷♂️ I think that’s fair our striker pool us truly bottom 6
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 13, 2019 7:16:36 GMT
I think you need to watch the recording of the match and review that statement, unless hitting the woodwork is creating nothing in your opinion. Great. Hogan hit the woodwork once. Long live the diamond. It was a pretty bad miss really
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 13, 2019 8:13:22 GMT
Listening to his press conference raised him up a few notches in my eyes. As others have said it's refreshing to hear when a manager admits he got it wrong. The worry is that it's not the first time a sub decision has lost us points. I am nowhere near a tactical genius like Bayern but it was clear to me at the time it was the wrong substitution, not Duffy coming on but Woods going off and Allen dropping back into CDM. You don't have had to watch Allen many times to know he isn't disciplined enough and no surprise we lost our shape. It's great to admit a mistake as long as you don't repeat it. Keeping Allen on smacks a little of favouritism which I know many managers have but can be a weakness. Use you head Nathan not your heart on these calls.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 8:50:56 GMT
It is down to him though to select/buy players that are regular goalscorers. Hogan and Gregory came on the cheap and there is a reason why. They simply don't score very often. The reason why Gregory came cheap is that he ran his contract down. It doesn't change the fact that we signed a player who gets into scoring situations but doesn't score enough.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 13, 2019 8:53:43 GMT
The reason why Gregory came cheap is that he ran his contract down. It doesn't change the fact that we signed a player who gets into scoring situations but doesn't score enough. But double figures in that Millwall team last year is a decent return. I expect he’ll be there or there abouts again this year. Which would have been our top goal scorer last year..... for context.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 8:54:44 GMT
It is down to him though to select/buy players that are regular goalscorers. Hogan and Gregory came on the cheap and there is a reason why. They simply don't score very often. Afobe & Berahino cost over £25m between them and didn't score very often either ! They just represented outrageous transfer fees on the market. We were stupid enough to buy them.
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Post by s8to on Aug 13, 2019 8:56:58 GMT
Before his fuck up the diamond was working fine, he just needs to be braver in his team selection like he was with dropping Vokes, we know it didn't work against QPR but it's still a big call to drop your big striker signing. It wasn’t working fine. We had conceded and it was creating nothing in the first half. Ince’s goal came from a long ball from Butland. It looks pretty but achieved the square root of naff all. If you were there you would have seen 2-3 chances quite frankly should have broke the net! Poor finishing from average strikers is the reason, not for the lack of chances!
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